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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 15, 2023 19:36:59 GMT -5
I know some people have said the Sox only spent $300 on Devers to salvage the Bogaerts situation, or to save face with fans etc. which I think most of us would agree is bull. What I saw, was that they’re willing to throw big money around to younger guys. Devers got 10 years in his mid 20’s not at 30. Yamamoto fits the bill at 25 years old, or at least he will be 25 when he starts pitching in a Sox uniform hehe. Obviously I do t think he gets 300 but I don’t think money is going to be an issue, If the Sox like him, I think they will make a real competitive offer for him. I have no doubt the Sox will be heavily in on him. He definitely fits the profile of what they'd go after. All I'm saying is that he fits the sweet spot of multiple teams, some of which could outbid the Sox or perhaps he has other preferences. All I'm saying is I'm not counting on the Red Sox signing him. I'm also not counting the Red Sox out either. Theyll be in. I have no doubt about that. Will they get him? I have no idea. Nobody does at this point.
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Post by keninten on Jul 16, 2023 0:03:36 GMT -5
Yankees have $190 mil tied up next year. Mets $244 if it matters, Phillies $188, SD has $144 and Soto will get over $23. So a few of the big dogs might be out. Mariners don`t really need him. Maybe Texas. Dodgers at $75 is probably our biggest competitor for him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2023 0:38:01 GMT -5
Yankees have $190 mil tied up next year. Mets $244 if it matters, Phillies $188, SD has $144 and Soto will get over $23. So a few of the big dogs might be out. Mariners don`t really need him. Maybe Texas. Dodgers at $75 is probably our biggest competitor for him. Who ever has enough pitching? I wouldn't eliminate Seattle as a possibilty and some of the big dogs with money tied up will still be involved. I think it's only safe to say whoever signs Ohtani wont be signing Yamamoto, lol.
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Post by keninten on Jul 16, 2023 0:57:29 GMT -5
Yankees have $190 mil tied up next year. Mets $244 if it matters, Phillies $188, SD has $144 and Soto will get over $23. So a few of the big dogs might be out. Mariners don`t really need him. Maybe Texas. Dodgers at $75 is probably our biggest competitor for him. Who ever has enough pitching? I wouldn't eliminate Seattle as a possibilty and some of the big dogs with money tied up will still be involved. I think it's only safe to say whoever signs Ohtani wont be signing Yamamoto, lol. I wouldn`t eliminate any of these teams completely. After last years offseason spending, I`ve been wanting to see what does happen to these teams. SD could get him if no one reigns in Preller. Cohen might realize he can`t buy a championship and put a small fortune in the developmental system, or alternatively thinks he needs to buy more players and nothing is going to stop him. I`m just looking at who may not be bidding against the Sox with big payrolls. A team like Baltimore is as likely to be bidding against the Sox as the previously mentioned teams.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2023 8:20:14 GMT -5
Who ever has enough pitching? I wouldn't eliminate Seattle as a possibilty and some of the big dogs with money tied up will still be involved. I think it's only safe to say whoever signs Ohtani wont be signing Yamamoto, lol. I wouldn`t eliminate any of these teams completely. After last years offseason spending, I`ve been wanting to see what does happen to these teams. SD could get him if no one reigns in Preller. Cohen might realize he can`t buy a championship and put a small fortune in the developmental system, or alternatively thinks he needs to buy more players and nothing is going to stop him. I`m just looking at who may not be bidding against the Sox with big payrolls. A team like Baltimore is as likely to be bidding against the Sox as the previously mentioned teams. Now that you mentioned it, Baltimore is primed to make a big splash. Thought they would last year but they held off. Doesnt mean they wont strike this offseason. Theyre flush in young positional talent and Grayson Rodriguez will eventually get it going, but they'd be a prime candidate to strike for a free agent pitcher. I'd definitely keep an eye on the Orioles. They're no longer the dumb doormat Orioles. They are going to be an AL East headache for some time to come.
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Post by ed978 on Jul 16, 2023 9:17:28 GMT -5
I wouldn`t eliminate any of these teams completely. After last years offseason spending, I`ve been wanting to see what does happen to these teams. SD could get him if no one reigns in Preller. Cohen might realize he can`t buy a championship and put a small fortune in the developmental system, or alternatively thinks he needs to buy more players and nothing is going to stop him. I`m just looking at who may not be bidding against the Sox with big payrolls. A team like Baltimore is as likely to be bidding against the Sox as the previously mentioned teams. Now that you mentioned it, Baltimore is primed to make a big splash. Thought they would last year but they held off. Doesnt mean they wont strike this offseason. Theyre flush in young positional talent and Grayson Rodriguez will eventually get it going, but they'd be a prime candidate to strike for a free agent pitcher. I'd definitely keep an eye on the Orioles. They're no longer the dumb doormat Orioles. They are going to be an AL East headache for some time to come. I don't think either Ohtani or Yamamoto picks Baltimore or they offer up the cash. They definitely have the money, but they had the money last year too and didn't spend really anything. The Baltimore ownership is getting almost as bad as the Pirates or A's at this point.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 16, 2023 9:34:01 GMT -5
When one of the 10 best pitchers in the world hits the open market at age 25 without even a QO attached, you go all in for it. The Sox have the financial might AND the payroll flexibility to do it. There’s no excuses in my opinion to not offer him the best deal unless Yamamoto preferred playing elsewhere for less money.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2023 9:51:03 GMT -5
When one of the 10 best pitchers in the world hits the open market at age 25 without even a QO attached, you go all in for it. The Sox have the financial might AND the payroll flexibility to do it. There’s no excuses in my opinion to not offer him the best deal unless Yamamoto preferred playing elsewhere for less money. I agree that the Sox should and will be all in, but they're not going to know what other teams are bidding so they wont know if they're the highest. You remember the reports of shock Bloom had when he found out the Padres had blown their offer out of the water when Bogaerts signed. He had no idea the Padres offered 280 million. Bloom could offer 225 million thinking he has the highest bid and another team could offer 275. Either way he's not going to know until after Yamamoto signs. It's not like Yamamoto's camp is going to contact Bloom and tell him we're signing with you once we find the highest offer and give you a chance to match. That's not how it works. He will receive multiple offers and contract amount and personal preferences will dictate where he signs but it's not like teams will be sharing their offers with other teams. I assume the Sox will be after him and will have the ability to make a substantial offer but they won't be the only team that can say that. There's very little thats more valuable than a potential young pitching ace. They will not be bidding against themselves.
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Post by digit on Jul 16, 2023 19:46:44 GMT -5
When one of the 10 best pitchers in the world hits the open market at age 25 without even a QO attached, you go all in for it. The Sox have the financial might AND the payroll flexibility to do it. There’s no excuses in my opinion to not offer him the best deal unless Yamamoto preferred playing elsewhere for less money. It's not like Yamamoto's camp is going to contact Bloom and tell him we're signing with you once we find the highest offer and give you a chance to match. That's not how it works. He will receive multiple offers and contract amount and personal preferences will dictate where he signs but it's not like teams will be sharing their offers with other teams. I was just thinking that the Sox's advantage was having Masataka Yoshida being able to talk to his ex-teammate and getting a general feel for how the bidding was going. Guess that's not too likely, eh?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2023 20:43:14 GMT -5
It's not like Yamamoto's camp is going to contact Bloom and tell him we're signing with you once we find the highest offer and give you a chance to match. That's not how it works. He will receive multiple offers and contract amount and personal preferences will dictate where he signs but it's not like teams will be sharing their offers with other teams. I was just thinking that the Sox's advantage was having Masataka Yoshida being able to talk to his ex-teammate and getting a general feel for how the bidding was going. Guess that's not too likely, eh? Couldn't hurt. But I dont think that's going to sway him unless exactly everything else is equal, but believe I'd love to see the Boston become the destination of elite Japanese talent. There's also a young 3b whose name escapes me who blasted 55 homers in Japan I wouldn't mind seeing on the Red Sox down the road.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 16, 2023 21:30:04 GMT -5
Yankees have $190 mil tied up next year. Mets $244 if it matters, Phillies $188, SD has $144 and Soto will get over $23. So a few of the big dogs might be out. Mariners don`t really need him. Maybe Texas. Dodgers at $75 is probably our biggest competitor for him. I had no idea the Dodgers had so much money coming off the books. My hope would be that they re-sign Kershaw and land Ohtani for a combined AAV of $70M and they call it a day on signing SP in order to fill other spots on the roster. Without them in the mix, I think the Red Sox would be the frontrunner.
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Post by ed978 on Jul 16, 2023 23:29:43 GMT -5
Yankees have $190 mil tied up next year. Mets $244 if it matters, Phillies $188, SD has $144 and Soto will get over $23. So a few of the big dogs might be out. Mariners don`t really need him. Maybe Texas. Dodgers at $75 is probably our biggest competitor for him. I had no idea the Dodgers had so much money coming off the books. My hope would be that they re-sign Kershaw and land Ohtani for a combined AAV of $70M and they call it a day on signing SP in order to fill other spots on the roster. Without them in the mix, I think the Red Sox would be the frontrunner. Bauer is a big one coming off for them. They basically only have two big long term contracts tied up in Freeman and Mookie. They have a lot of arbitration eligible players, so it's kind of misleading the 75 million dollar number. They need to leave room if they plan on extending Will Smith.
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