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2023 Draft Signing Period
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Post by ramireja on Jul 21, 2023 17:49:42 GMT -5
What I have been told - Sox have been upfront with Call and told him he is a backup plan if someone does not sign. His request came in at $1M - Sox simply do not have that amount to sign him If he was an insurance pick all along, then I tend to doubt there is any $ left over for a Day 3 pick with the exception of Nelly Taylor if he gets a little more than the $150K.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 21, 2023 17:51:20 GMT -5
In the end, Nazzan Zanetello matches Arjun Nimmala's bonus exactly and I'll have a hard time not comparing them as they progress through their careers. They actually seem like fairly similar players in terms of being toolsheds at least.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 21, 2023 18:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 21, 2023 18:23:43 GMT -5
If Riemer got slot then that would just about use up all the money
If he's at 200k then there's like 500k left to offer Schlaegel/Orloski I think
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 21, 2023 18:37:47 GMT -5
Just looking at past drafts I love how we went out and drafted a top 200 guy high school SS in the 13/15th round since 2021 just in case we miss out on one of the top guys. We haven't signed any of them but its worked out so far. Very smart move. Payton Green, Kilen and now Call. Just a great backup option just in case. Im sure eventually we will sign one.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 21, 2023 19:16:48 GMT -5
Talked with Jim a lot about Zanetello on the latest pod. Strongly recommend
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Post by bosox904 on Jul 21, 2023 20:54:12 GMT -5
Might be a real NIL effect? Not to go off topic, but for the VAST majority of college athletes, this whole NIL thing is a farce. Some shady actors are trying to upend the entire existence of college athletics so the SEC and Big Ten can legally and more openly violate NCAA regulations. 99% of these kids have very little—if any—actual NIL value without the university brand attached to them. The scholarships, debt-free education (or mostly), room and board, cost of attendance payments, meal plans, coaching, platform, competition, fan bases, medical coverage, travel, lodging, insurance, etc. isn’t enough anymore, I guess. Slick southerners who own speed boat dealerships and suffer from mid-life crises are driving this whole goddamn disaster into the dust. A lot of D1 schools won’t be able to offer full rides or compete in this new setting, and that will mean thousands of scholarships—full or partial—will cease to exist. /rant Yes because someone should be able to tell another person they can't make money off their likeness because you think those things are enough.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 21, 2023 21:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jul 21, 2023 21:03:50 GMT -5
What is “svg stuff”? Typo for avg or do I not know something?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 21, 2023 21:04:18 GMT -5
Redsox stats nailed the teel number and had it first
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 21, 2023 21:05:35 GMT -5
What is “svg stuff”? Typo for avg or do I not know something? ?? Some Very Good Stuff ??
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 21, 2023 21:06:35 GMT -5
Talked with Jim a lot about Zanetello on the latest pod. Strongly recommend Wait, you guys do a podcast?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 21, 2023 21:15:20 GMT -5
So they're 150k under before Riemer, and also with Nelly Taylor's bonus unknown.
Feels like we got a chance at one more guy? Could just be Riemer gets slot and Taylor cost $300k though
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Post by ramireja on Jul 21, 2023 21:22:05 GMT -5
What is “svg stuff”? Typo for avg or do I not know something? SAVAGE
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 21, 2023 21:22:17 GMT -5
So they're 150k under before Riemer, and also with Nelly Taylor's bonus unknown.
Feels like we got a chance at one more guy? Could just be Riemer gets slot and Taylor cost $300k though They have $650k left for Riemer and Taylor's overage. Even if Taylor isn't over and Riemer gets Mike's $200k, I don't think $600k would be enough for Call. I think it's more likely this is an indication they gave Taylor some money.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 21, 2023 21:25:34 GMT -5
So they're 150k under before Riemer, and also with Nelly Taylor's bonus unknown.
Feels like we got a chance at one more guy? Could just be Riemer gets slot and Taylor cost $300k though They have $650k left for Riemer and Taylor's overage. Even if Taylor isn't over and Riemer gets Mike's $200k, I don't think $600k would be enough for Call. I think it's more likely this is an indication they gave Taylor some money. Radio silence from the TX HS kid?
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 21, 2023 23:26:29 GMT -5
I don’t know what the intention going in was, but it seems like Teel falling determined their draft. Instead of spreading out the money, they went at a few high end guys, and spent day 2 finding the money for them. I’m sure they knew it was likely, but still a little disappointing if they don’t end up with any of the three high schoolers. In 7 years they get two starters out of it, would be a wild success.
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Post by evanstonredsox on Jul 22, 2023 0:01:17 GMT -5
Zanetello getting 3 mil makes me wonder if he was an option at 14 in a world where Teel and Shaw were both gone. Was honestly expecting 14 to be a high school position player around 3-3.5 mil. Maybe the security of the Teel pick allowed them to go after a toolsy, first-round talent that they’d usually find too risky to pop as a first rounder. I still feel like McGonigle, who ironically got a lower bonus than Nazzan, or Miller would’ve been the underslot at 14 because of the higher confidence in their hit tools
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 22, 2023 0:05:32 GMT -5
As much as it always infuriates me when we don't sign some day 3 guys because of earlier picks getting more money than I thought they would/should get, at the same time when was the last time that not signing a day 3 guy really bit us in the behind? At least one that we had a shot at signing. Of course not counting position changes because we had some notable people that we drafted as pitchers, didn't sign, and came up as hitters later on and vice versa.
I'm looking through the history of ranked players that we drafted after round 10 and didn't sign and while the jury is still out on Gavin Kilen, Payton Green, and probably Sebastian Keane (who is not ranked on MLB's top 30 Yankees prospects), Jordan Beck and Connor Prielipp weren't universally highly ranked at the time of the draft (as compared to say Trey Faltine), Zach Watson wasn't ranked on MLB's top 30 Orioles prospects, Nick Quintana isn't ranked on MLB's top 30 Tigers prospects, Tyler Fitzgerald isn't ranked on MLB's top 30 Giants prospects, Christian Jones isn't in baseball, Jeff Belge isn't in the top 30 Dodgers prospects, in fact, the first person that I saw that was even ranked on a prospect list was Austin Bergner who is 25th on the Detroit Tigers prospect list. And just for giggles Daniel Reyes is also not ranked on the Tigers prospect list. That takes us all the way through 2015. Even Jeren Kendall didn't bite us. Nor Jordan Sheffield.
And the person that made me think of this entire list was Ryan Boldt back in 2013 and.....nope.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 22, 2023 6:55:27 GMT -5
Being a 100-300 rating HS prospect really is a high attrition honor. We can salivate all we want about adding such a kid late in the game, but as kingofthetrill references, in a year or two those kids seem to lose value pretty quickly. Payton Green was 113-147 on the three rankings, and is not on any of the 2024 draft lists. Gavin Kilen, 88-119 last year, had a decent freshman year at Louisville. Kids can bet on themselves if offered $700,000 to a million, but the odds are stacked against them. I can see why a kid like Brannon took the money. And if part of the deal is non-counted scholarship money, you can always go to school after you wash out in 4 -5 years.
I say that as someone very pro education and the college experience. Its just that the vast majority will have a brief moment of maximum leverage/value. Unless you really want the structure of a stable environment and student experience vs. hotels & riding the buses in Florida/Carolina, anything more than a half million seems like a fair trade.
Edit: and that's before getting into the fact that even if you succeed, that means you will leave college after your junior year, closer to, but still without a degree.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jul 22, 2023 7:42:31 GMT -5
Updated predictions. Signing deadline is Tuesday.
Top Ten Rounds (entire amount counts towards bonus cap) Round, Overall Pick, Player, Projected Bonus 1. Kyle Teel $4,000,000 (signed) 2. Nazzan Zanetello $3,000,000 (signed) 3. Antonio Anderson $1,500,000 (agreed to terms) 4. Matt Duffy $350,000 (signed) 4. Kristian Campbell $492,700 (signed) 4. Justin Riemer $487,800 5. Connelly Early $408,500 (signed) 6. CJ Weims $50,000 (signed) 7. Caden Rose $150,000 (signed) 8. Trennor O'Donnell $50,000 (signed) 9. Blake Wehunt $100,000 (signed) 10. Ryan Ammons $50,000 (signed)
After 10th round, above $150K 11. Nelly Taylor $300,000 ($150k counts against the cap)
After 10th round, possible $150K or less signs (count $0 towards cap) 12. Max Carlson (signed) 13. Cade Feeney (signed for $150k) 14. Jojo Ingrassia (signed) 16. Isaac Stebens (signed) 18. Zach Fogell (signed) 19. Stanley Tucker (signed for $100k)
Total spent towards cap using these projections: $10,789,000 Red Sox Cap: $10,295,100 Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $10,809,855
Projected not to sign 15. Phoenix Call 17. Dylan Schlaegel 20. Robert Orloski
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Post by nonothing on Jul 22, 2023 8:14:17 GMT -5
Do you know Reimer is at slot? If he is at the rumored $200k also written in here with everything else above, seems like they could maybe get Orloski or Schlaegel also?
And is the Anderson $1.5M firm?
What about Taylor at $300k?
Asking because if they don't sign Anderson (who is consuming more than pick value and overage on his pick at $1.5M) and use his money elsewhere (Call, Orloski, Schlaegel), they still get a comp pick after Rd3 next year.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 22, 2023 8:27:06 GMT -5
Do you know Reimer is at slot? If he is at the rumored $200k also written in here with everything else above, seems like they could maybe get Orloski or Schlaegel also? And is the Anderson $1.5M firm? What about Taylor at $300k? Asking because if they don't sign Anderson (who is consuming more than pick value and overage on his pick at $1.5M) and use his money elsewhere (Call, Orloski, Schlaegel), they still get a comp pick after Rd3 next year. Anderson is signing.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 22, 2023 8:27:27 GMT -5
Do you know Reimer is at slot? If he is at the rumored $200k also written in here with everything else above, seems like they could maybe get Orloski or Schlaegel also? And is the Anderson $1.5M firm? What about Taylor at $300k? Asking because if they don't sign Anderson (who is consuming more than pick value and overage on his pick at $1.5M) and use his money elsewhere (Call, Orloski, Schlaegel), they still get a comp pick after Rd3 next year. Speier reported Anderson at $1.5. That’s pretty firm.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 22, 2023 8:32:31 GMT -5
Do you know Reimer is at slot? If he is at the rumored $200k also written in here with everything else above, seems like they could maybe get Orloski or Schlaegel also? And is the Anderson $1.5M firm? What about Taylor at $300k? Asking because if they don't sign Anderson (who is consuming more than pick value and overage on his pick at $1.5M) and use his money elsewhere (Call, Orloski, Schlaegel), they still get a comp pick after Rd3 next year. Anderson is reported, the other two are projected.
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