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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 1, 2023 17:51:27 GMT -5
So are we calling Urias up? I assume he's the everyday 2B now, with only one of Arroyo/Chang/Reyes surviving
Feels like a guy that could lock down a 2024 starting job with his play for us, or maybe he sucks and gets nontendered (gonna cost like $6 million)
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 1, 2023 17:52:00 GMT -5
He's -15 OAA at SS in ~120 games. Nice to see a quick pivot to get a terrible defensive SS back in the mix after the Kiké trade! Mostly joking - he's +3 in ~100 games at 2B. He seems very Arroyoish to me - an infielder who can play a decent 2B and passable 3B, can't really play SS - but is more expensive: 4.7 million this year with two more arb years of control. It's a good move if they think they can get him back to his 2021-22 level of offensive production I guess. Yeah - definitely seems to fill the exact same role with similar skill level. Arroyo probably has a slight edge in bat-to-ball skills, but Urias draws more walks and is 2 years younger with fewer 'stay on the field' concerns. At the very least he offers depth, and if he's his old self, should be a minor upgrade. Wish he were cheaper for the future years though, certainly brings down his value. Can't see both he and Arroyo in Boston next year. Also not great if you're Valdez and hoping to get another shot soon.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 1, 2023 17:57:42 GMT -5
If Urias can get back to 2021-2022 numbers. Where he averaged around 20 HRs a year as a RHH that could be a sneaky addition to the team who needs some RHH pop. He also has a career 10.3 BB% and 21.4 K%. Neither of those are too shabby.
Best case scenario he gives them a solid MI duo with Story for not that much money for a year or two. Worst case he flames out and they non-tender him at the cost of Blalock and are back in the same position they were in where they need a 2nd baseman anyway.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Aug 1, 2023 18:10:10 GMT -5
Entering this season, ZIPS projected Urias for 8.7 fWAR over his remaining team control (2023-2025). Given the trade cost and internal options for 2B both this and next year it's hard to find issue with this move. He's been bad this year and the ZIPS projection would look much different today, but these are the circumstances you need to "buy low".
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2023 18:13:02 GMT -5
It's a nice trade.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 1, 2023 18:16:55 GMT -5
This was a great deal. Traded a Rule 5 eligible player we couldn’t protect for a player with proven success in a position of need. This is a W. Y’all sleeping on Bloom.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 1, 2023 18:25:31 GMT -5
One of the trades I was interested in early on was a Tim Anderson buy low, and this is effectively that just with a player who A) is younger, B) has less concerning regression metrics, and C) plays a less important position. Pretty hard to dislike that.
Now I will be on record as saying I was probably the high man on Blalock so that’s certainly a bummer, but I can’t be too upset about it given his 40 man situation.
I think it’s a B trade, but I’ll certainly take it over an overpay (and avoiding overpays is the thing I probably love most about Bloom, even though it’s a bit of a double edged sword).
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Post by awalkinthepark on Aug 1, 2023 18:39:55 GMT -5
Like just about every Bloom move, is great in isolation, but I don't really understand how it fits in the larger picture.
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 1, 2023 18:39:58 GMT -5
Would have been nice to have done more BUT standing on its own, this is a phenomenal trade. 3.0 bWAR player past two seasons, this season I’m discounting because he only has 60 ABs. 3 years of control (if they don’t non tender him)… for…. our #37 prospect who potentially gets nabbed in R5 anyways? Nice get
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Aug 1, 2023 18:52:26 GMT -5
Like just about every Bloom move, is great in isolation, but I don't really understand how it fits in the larger picture. If it goes well, he bridges to Mayer. Makes a lot of sense
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 1, 2023 18:59:08 GMT -5
At least its something. Essentially this spells the end for Arroyo which is a plus.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 1, 2023 18:59:29 GMT -5
7.1 career WAR and 46 HRs kind of surprising.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 1, 2023 19:00:38 GMT -5
Does anyone know his final prospect rankings pre-graduation? I remember him being like a top-30 prospect and a pretty hyped early debut but I could be misremembering.
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Post by nomar on Aug 1, 2023 19:09:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know his final prospect rankings pre-graduation? I remember him being like a top-30 prospect and a pretty hyped early debut but I could be misremembering. He was hyped but back then he never struck out. That never translated in the MLB
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Post by levi on Aug 1, 2023 19:10:05 GMT -5
Does anyone know his final prospect rankings pre-graduation? I remember him being like a top-30 prospect and a pretty hyped early debut but I could be misremembering. FG had him at #24 in 2019: Hit 50/65 Game Power 40/45 Raw Power 20/35 Speed 50/50 Field 50/55 Throws 50/50 FV 55 Prospects TLDR: Urias reached the majors last year amid some approach tweaks in an effort to coax more power from a profile that already has top-shelf feel for contact. He's not likely an impact bat, but should be a well-rounded above-average regular at second base.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 1, 2023 19:12:19 GMT -5
Brewers fans not very happy overall about this one
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 1, 2023 19:15:52 GMT -5
Brewers fans not very happy overall about this one The only thing that makes me leery on the deal is what do the Brewers know that the Sox don't? On its face a 2nd baseman who is just 26 and prior to this season had back to back 2 fWAR seasons with some pop in his bat would seem to be worth more than Blalock. I still like it for the Sox but just wonder why the Brewers would deal him. Not like he's making a lot.
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Post by terriblehondo on Aug 1, 2023 19:20:30 GMT -5
Brewers must not like him much. I mean the guy starting tonight at 2nd is hitting .206 with a .276 OBP. You would think Urias would be an upgrade and they are in the playoff hunt.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 1, 2023 19:27:12 GMT -5
Brewers fans not very happy overall about this one The only thing that makes me leery on the deal is what do the Brewers know that the Sox don't? On its face a 2nd baseman who is just 26 and prior to this season had back to back 2 fWAR seasons with some pop in his bat would seem to be worth more than Blalock. I still like it for the Sox but just wonder why the Brewers would deal him. Not like he's making a lot. They're going with Brice Turang at 2B, a top 100 prospect having a bad rookie year. They probably considered Urias a must trade since they would otherwise nontender him as a poverty franchise. They didn't find much of a market I guess. The deal went down to the deadline, so it probably was a close call for them to accept Blalock or try again after the season.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 1, 2023 19:32:52 GMT -5
The only thing that makes me leery on the deal is what do the Brewers know that the Sox don't? On its face a 2nd baseman who is just 26 and prior to this season had back to back 2 fWAR seasons with some pop in his bat would seem to be worth more than Blalock. I still like it for the Sox but just wonder why the Brewers would deal him. Not like he's making a lot. They're going with Brice Turang at 2B, a top 100 prospect having a bad rookie year. They probably considered Urias a must trade since they would otherwise nontender him as a poverty franchise. They didn't find much of a market I guess. The deal went down to the deadline, so it probably was a close call for them to accept Blalock or try again after the season. Fair point, could have been take Blalock as the clock struck 0 or risk Urias struggling the last few months and non tender him and get nothing back. Meanwhile sox have plenty of financial flexibility to tender the guy and see if he rebounds.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 1, 2023 19:48:38 GMT -5
So are we calling Urias up? I assume he's the everyday 2B now, with only one of Arroyo/Chang/Reyes surviving Feels like a guy that could lock down a 2024 starting job with his play for us, or maybe he sucks and gets nontendered (gonna cost like $6 million) “Right after acquiring Urías, the Sox assigned him to Triple-A, so he’ll serve as infield depth for the time being.” www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/brewers-trade-luis-urias-red-sox.html
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 1, 2023 19:53:06 GMT -5
Brewers also may not have seen much of a chance for him to build stronger trade value. If he's in the majors he's not getting many more ABs as a bench player for two months. If he's playing every day in the minors then they're burning another $1.5 million on a guy that's not helping them.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 1, 2023 19:53:20 GMT -5
So are we calling Urias up? I assume he's the everyday 2B now, with only one of Arroyo/Chang/Reyes surviving Feels like a guy that could lock down a 2024 starting job with his play for us, or maybe he sucks and gets nontendered (gonna cost like $6 million) “Right after acquiring Urías, the Sox assigned him to Triple-A, so he’ll serve as infield depth for the time being.” www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/brewers-trade-luis-urias-red-sox.htmlI'm kind of sick of Arroyo so would have liked to have seen urias up over him but I get it at the same time. Keep the depth for now.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 1, 2023 20:05:40 GMT -5
Side note: Did the Red Sox trade their only HS pitching prospect left in the system?
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Post by dewey1972 on Aug 1, 2023 20:10:24 GMT -5
I like the deal for all the many reasons already pointed out. However, I think the general consensus may be selling Blalock's potential short. wOBA Fett mentioned that he was hyped in the last podcast. Also, in Fangraphs write up (they have him 17) they say his fastball is plus or better and that his secondaries have "leveled up in quality." They also write "Yes, he’s currently at Low-A Salem, but Blalock will be 23 next year, he clearly crushed his rehab program, and he has two pitches that could get big league outs right now in his fastball and curveball." So, definitely a good deal for us, but not like we gave up nothing.
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