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Post by grandsalami on Sept 14, 2023 11:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by briam on Sept 14, 2023 11:33:37 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 14, 2023 11:33:42 GMT -5
Said it in the evaluation ownership thread, I'm shocked and yet not shocked if that makes any sense?
They were in a position with him where with one year left on his deal, they really had to either extend him or fire him. Obviously they weren't convinced anymore he was the guy so it makes sense not to extend him and then just fire him next year if things didn't get better to their liking. Don't know who or where they go from here, kind of feel like they need to find someone with some experience and solid results elsewhere but where do they find that?
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Post by manfred on Sept 14, 2023 11:34:02 GMT -5
I am stunned, actually.
But, if history is judge, I can expect many folks who have defended him to start kicking him now that he’s gone.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 14, 2023 11:35:11 GMT -5
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Post by ephus on Sept 14, 2023 11:35:41 GMT -5
Man, never accept a job from a guy who tells you the first task is trade a homegrown future hall of famer, cut salary, and not commit to a definite direction at the trade deadine. I don't love everything Bloom did, but I thought he'd at least get five years to implement a home grown plan. I guess this is the bottom.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 14, 2023 11:36:28 GMT -5
I am stunned, actually. But, if history is judge, I can expect many folks who have defended him to start kicking him now that he’s gone. Ah, we're getting an early start on the irony in this thread, I see.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 14, 2023 11:38:09 GMT -5
Man, never accept a job from a guy who tells you the first task is trade a homegrown future hall of famer, cut salary, and not commit to a definite direction at the trade deadine. I don't love everything Bloom did, but I thought he'd at least get five years to implement a home grown plan. I guess this is the bottom. I highly doubt Bloom came in here and immediately advocated to John Henry to trade Mookie Betts, more than likely the opposite. This has all been but disproven. With that said, plenty of Bloom decisions to disagree with.
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 14, 2023 11:38:32 GMT -5
my username!!!
Not especially happy to hear it but not totally surprised. The record is the record. I expect with hindsight his reputation will improve here, and I expect him to land on his feet and find success in the future. Here’s hoping they stay the course philosophically, I still like the direction of the organization.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Sept 14, 2023 11:38:50 GMT -5
Zoinks
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 14, 2023 11:38:59 GMT -5
The timing of this strikes me as a little odd. I guess if he's just going to be a lame duck GM for the next couple weeks anyway you might as well cut bait but with such little time left and given that it's not like he really would've had the power to make any moves in that timespan, I suppose I'm a little surprised they didn't just ride it out. I guess they may be trying to jockey for position for a candidate but if it wasn't going to be Stearns then you're likely tampering whether or not Bloom is in the fold.
I'm not saying it was a bad thing they pulled the trigger early, it doesn't really matter in my mind, just a bit surprising to me.
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 14, 2023 11:39:37 GMT -5
I am beyond shocked. WOW.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Sept 14, 2023 11:39:53 GMT -5
Let the speculation begin. I'm betting Sabean.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Sept 14, 2023 11:39:53 GMT -5
If they're elevating O'Halloran the currently team philosophy will basically be the same? Hope he's a better pitching evaluator and the amateur department stays intact.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Sept 14, 2023 11:40:11 GMT -5
A lot of his draft picks are trending up albeit with some luck of a couple bih ones falling into his lap.
Tough guy to judge since the situation wasn't ideal but he seemed like an awkward fit.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 14, 2023 11:40:20 GMT -5
Not surprised.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 14, 2023 11:40:30 GMT -5
I guess carrabis is pretty well connected. I'll make sure to listen when he speaks.
I wonder if this was done now so that it would preserve Cora from being fired by Bloom.
Too bad it ended this way, but the results are the results.
I would have given him 1 more year but I understand why they didnt give him the year.
I like Bloom's vision but I didnt always care for the judgment or execution.
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Post by briam on Sept 14, 2023 11:41:23 GMT -5
At the end of the day, you can’t spend like Chaim did and repeatedly miss the playoffs. 2022s happen, but you can’t follow it up with another failed season without a shot at the playoffs in September. If anything it makes me happy to know ownership cares more about winning than the hope that comes with prospect hoarding.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 14, 2023 11:42:09 GMT -5
Oh man, I sure hate this!
Apologies to Guidas: I genuinely did not expect this sort of mercurial fickleness from these owners, but you were right, they are stupider and more chaotic than I realized.
Well, I hope the next GM has learned the proper lesson: absolutely do not, under any circumstances, pursue a patient approach to organization-building; you literally will not have time to succeed on these terms.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 14, 2023 11:42:10 GMT -5
If they're elevating O'Halloran the currently team philosophy will basically be the same? Hope he's a better pitching evaluator and the amateur department stays intact. I don't take that to mean they're making him *the* guy, just bumping his title/pay to hang onto him.
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Post by trapperdan on Sept 14, 2023 11:42:33 GMT -5
So crazy that it just might work: O'Halloran helps new POBO Alex Cora build the team, and the Sox get a fresh start at manager?
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Post by cdj on Sept 14, 2023 11:42:34 GMT -5
Man, never accept a job from a guy who tells you the first task is trade a homegrown future hall of famer, cut salary, and not commit to a definite direction at the trade deadine. I don't love everything Bloom did, but I thought he'd at least get five years to implement a home grown plan. I guess this is the bottom. Pretty much where I’m at Better bring back Theo!
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Post by semperfisox on Sept 14, 2023 11:42:54 GMT -5
That’s how you start the off-season off right.
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Post by e on Sept 14, 2023 11:42:55 GMT -5
I dont' see this as anything other than a PR move. Realistically they are promoting Brian O'Halloran or they are bringing in a new guy with the same philosophy as Chaim Bloom. Nightengale already reported they had strong interest in bringing in Stearns before he went to the Mets.
I'm happy they likely won't be changing the organizational philosophy they built the past four years, but its unfortunate that ownership is using Bloom as a scapegoat. I really don't see anything he's done egregiously wrong to the point of being fired, especially this season.
On a funny note, was watching a youtube video posted by the Dodgers documenting Mookie's return, and they video'd the interaction between Mookie and Chaim that we saw pictures of. The first thing Mookie said was: "Nice to finally meet you." Pretty telling that Chaim was hired with the objective to trade Mookie rather than even attempt to sign him.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 14, 2023 11:43:31 GMT -5
If they're elevating O'Halloran the currently team philosophy will basically be the same? Hope he's a better pitching evaluator and the amateur department stays intact. I'm wondering the same thing, if this is the direction they go why would O'Halloran be any improvement on Bloom? Would just be keeping a similar philosophy/direction and just using Bloom as a scape goat which hey Bloom kind of did to himself with his lack of results the last two seasons. That being said I think I'd rather they go outside the org for someone with experience running a baseball ops that had prior success.
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