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nomar
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Post by nomar on Sept 14, 2023 11:54:02 GMT -5
Oh man, I sure hate this! Apologies to Guidas: I genuinely did not expect this sort of mercurial fickleness from these owners, but you were right, they are stupider and more chaotic than I realized. Well, I hope the next GM has learned the proper lesson: absolutely do not, under any circumstances, pursue a patient approach to organization-building; you literally will not have time to succeed on these terms. More like: absolutely, do not, under any circumstances, pursue a “buy and sell” approach at the trade deadline. BC did a real sell and met the same fate for an old, big-spender to come in and steal the glory. The truth is we used two fairly brilliant minds to get through tough times then disposed of them as the tides started to turn. I’m sure Bloom will land on his feet as BC did, but I think the pattern is pretty clear with this ownership now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 14, 2023 11:54:30 GMT -5
I dont' see this as anything other than a PR move. Realistically they are promoting Brian O'Halloran or they are bringing in a new guy with the same philosophy as Chaim Bloom. Nightengale already reported they had strong interest in bringing in Stearns before he went to the Mets. I'm happy they likely won't be changing the organizational philosophy they built the past four years, but its unfortunate that ownership is using Bloom as a scapegoat. I really don't see anything he's done egregiously wrong to the point of being fired, especially this season. On a funny note, was watching a youtube video posted by the Dodgers documenting Mookie's return, and they video'd the interaction between Mookie and Chaim that we saw pictures of. The first thing Mookie said was: "Nice to finally meet you." Pretty telling that Chaim was hired with the objective to trade Mookie rather than even attempt to sign him. Yup, sign Mookie to a hometown discount and if he refuses trade him and defend it. Those were Bloom's first set of marching orders. No wonder he wasn't destined to succeed in Boston.
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Post by cdj on Sept 14, 2023 11:54:34 GMT -5
So Theo is getting a minority stake in ownership like Beane did in Oakland and the prodigal son will return to the motherland
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 14, 2023 11:54:44 GMT -5
I think this genuinely might be worst case scenario
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 14, 2023 11:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by costpet on Sept 14, 2023 11:55:26 GMT -5
With the MFY’s contracts such a burden and a last place team, Cashman might be available. I wonder…
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Post by pk on Sept 14, 2023 11:55:50 GMT -5
For the most part, I was pulling for Chaim as I have loved watching the improvement in the system.
That being said, his 2022 deadline and not getting under the tax threshold was a disaster - especially if he knew two of his impending free agents were going to be QO’d and were less than likely to accept. Many things I won’t second guess, but that one is inexcusable.
Here’s hoping pitching becomes a more important development focus…
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Post by radiohix on Sept 14, 2023 11:55:57 GMT -5
Cora should go too and take Bush with him.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Sept 14, 2023 11:56:43 GMT -5
From the front office perspective, I don't think you make this move now if you don't have someone specific in mind. And you don't shake things up like this if you don't want an organizational shift and/or a PR (optics) shift.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 14, 2023 11:57:03 GMT -5
I'll echo what other folks are saying, under no circumstances do I want Cora in control of the baseball ops. That would just seem so stupid to me.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 14, 2023 11:57:06 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 14, 2023 11:57:29 GMT -5
With the MFY’s contracts such a burden and a last place team, Cashman might be available. I wonder… Scratch that. THIS would be worst case scenario.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Sept 14, 2023 11:57:33 GMT -5
I have been and will always be a Bloom supporter, but a .500 team and last place finish in the 4th(!) season after the Mookie trade is just totally indefensible. This has been my criticism of him the entire time, he never just did a full rebuild. If you are going to trade Mookie, okay, fine, but just rip off the bandaid and do everything you can to restock the farm. Bloom never did that and so the team has operated in this middle ground the entire time he has been here.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 14, 2023 11:57:50 GMT -5
With the MFY’s contracts such a burden and a last place team, Cashman might be available. I wonder… Corollary: the Yankees could hire Bloom and he could have a successful 20-year tenure in the Bronx. A scenario in which I very possibly quit my Red Sox fandom.
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Post by asm19 on Sept 14, 2023 11:58:05 GMT -5
Et tu, Brian?
On a serious note though, I thought Bloom was a smart guy who did some good things under the directions he'd be given (cut payroll, grow the farm, trade Mookie Betts...). Certainly better than the media narrative gave him credit for. That said, the last two years he's had ample resources to work with, and while the Story and Yoshida deals still have time to look really good, the MLB team hasn't been as successful as it could be.
I'd have had no issue if they wanted to bring him back! But at the end of the day it's a results business. As a former salesperson, I can be as smart and nice as I want, but if I miss my quota enough times I can't complain if the boss lets me go.
Additionally, with how much money they're about to spend in FA, I get wanting someone who you trust to spend all that cash. They can't really afford to screw up this winter.
Good luck to Chaim wherever he ends up next. Thanks for 2021.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 14, 2023 11:58:28 GMT -5
More like: absolutely, do not, under any circumstances, pursue a “buy and sell” approach at the trade deadline. BC did a real sell and met the same fate for an old, big-spender to come in and steal the glory. The truth is we used two fairly brilliant minds to get through tough times then disposed of them as the tides started to turn. I’m sure Bloom will land on his feet as BC did, but I think the pattern is pretty clear with this ownership now. The Lackey trade to the Cardinals was “buy and sell” too.
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Post by ephus on Sept 14, 2023 11:59:07 GMT -5
Sox are going to be good in the coming years because of the work Bloom did. Cold world. Going to be very disappointed if they go away from the “sustainable” approach with this hire I mean, we're all watching Bello and Casas succeed and the rap on DD is still that he did nothing to build homegrown talent. Baseball is cruel this way.
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nomar
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Post by nomar on Sept 14, 2023 11:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by chr31ter on Sept 14, 2023 11:59:46 GMT -5
James Click might be an interesting/realistic option.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 14, 2023 12:00:36 GMT -5
I have been and will always be a Bloom supporter, but a .500 team and last place finish in the 4th(!) season after the Mookie trade is just totally indefensible. This has been my criticism of him the entire time, he never just did a full rebuild. If you are going to trade Mookie, okay, fine, but just rip off the bandaid and do everything you can to restock the farm. Bloom never did that and so the team has operated in this middle ground the entire time he has been here. Ownership clearly charged him with *not* doing a full rebuild. If he had his job would have been a whole lot easier!
And we are talking about two seasons in which the team has been roughly .500. If this is the down period thaks to the bottoming out of the farm system, well, what teams have had better down periods than that?
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 14, 2023 12:00:49 GMT -5
With the MFY’s contracts such a burden and a last place team, Cashman might be available. I wonder… Scratch that. THIS would be worst case scenario. By gawd that's Jim Bowden's music!!
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 14, 2023 12:01:20 GMT -5
I’m genuinely curious, why are some folks so upset by this move. Is it for continuity sake or did you think Bloom legitimately did a good job? The last two years for me leave me with little faith in him building a contending MLB club, all his best qualities seem to be drafting and not trading prospects, which won’t really change if the rest of the org structure is left in place. He misread two deadlines, went into the tax for a team finishing last in the AL East, and is on the verge of finishing under .500 again. In other words, what was the move by Chaim that made you say “I’m glad we have him over your baseline GM” you can’t trade prospects still in A ball for good value. Teams don’t want to give up MLB talent for a guy who’s years away from knocking on the door. It’s too risky for both sides, and the selling team has to accept that value hit for years. He’s clearly being scapegoated because the fans are mad at the results the last few years, and if they do promote BOH—his right hand man this whole time—then they really aren’t hiding it. I think that’s stupid management, which is why I don’t like it. But I’m not particularly mad because I don’t think they’re going to actually change the philosophy much. I’m mostly upset that it’s no longer Chaim Time
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Post by notstarboard on Sept 14, 2023 12:01:53 GMT -5
The inability to plan for the future is such an annoyingly common flaw, and now we have a group who doesn't understand that going against its own best interest to fire someone who does.
I am shocked and annoyed. If the next person comes in and immediately starts moving top prospects I'm going to riot.
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Post by chr31ter on Sept 14, 2023 12:02:17 GMT -5
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 14, 2023 12:02:20 GMT -5
I don't think Bloom was a superstar or anything like that. I imagine, not setting up the next GM to fail would be a good start.
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