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Post by ephus on Sept 14, 2023 11:44:08 GMT -5
Man, never accept a job from a guy who tells you the first task is trade a homegrown future hall of famer, cut salary, and not commit to a definite direction at the trade deadine. I don't love everything Bloom did, but I thought he'd at least get five years to implement a home grown plan. I guess this is the bottom. I highly doubt Bloom came in here and immediately advocated to John Henry to trade Mookie Betts, more than likely the opposite. This has all been but disproven. With that said, plenty of Bloom decisions to disagree with. I perhaps wasn't clear. I do not think trading Mookie was Bloom's idea. I think he has been working with a clear mandate from the top to reset the tax and rebuild with cost-controlled homegrown talent. And for that I give Bloom high marks. But it is a new day. And I expect we are in for a very busy winter. Don't buy any current player jerseys because a change is coming. Forward march.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 14, 2023 11:45:23 GMT -5
So Chaim was the cleaner and O'Halloran gets to be the painter. Interesting post season ahead !
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Post by jimoh on Sept 14, 2023 11:45:47 GMT -5
Hmm, I have to remember to revise my department's web page on "What You Can Do With a Degree in Classics."
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Post by radiohix on Sept 14, 2023 11:46:42 GMT -5
Scapegoat. I’m beyond pissed at this ownership group
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Post by incandenza on Sept 14, 2023 11:46:50 GMT -5
And the Bloom era ends, for the record, with the Red Sox 5 games above .500 on his watch; 17 over .500 not counting the covid year.
Saddled with enormous dead money commitments and the worst farm system in the majors, I guess that just didn't cut it.
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 14, 2023 11:47:32 GMT -5
He's always seemed like a thoughtful and earnest dude, and philosophically, I like what he was trying to do here, but the execution (particularly with regard to trades and FA) was all over the place, and the results certainly reflect that. I thought he'd get one more year to try to right the ship, but oh well. Good luck to him, and bring on the new era.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 14, 2023 11:48:16 GMT -5
Will reserve judgement until I see who the replacement is. I wonder who the realistic candidates are.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Sept 14, 2023 11:48:45 GMT -5
If they're elevating O'Halloran the currently team philosophy will basically be the same? Hope he's a better pitching evaluator and the amateur department stays intact. I'm wondering the same thing, if this is the direction they go why would O'Halloran be any improvement on Bloom? Would just be keeping a similar philosophy/direction and just using Bloom as a scape goat which hey Bloom kind of did to himself with his lack of results the last two seasons. That being said I think I'd rather they go outside the org for someone with experience running a baseball ops that had prior success. Feels like ownership is hoping for a year long grace period to do the same stuff but to have Anthony, Mayer and Teel debut before us villagers get restless again.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 14, 2023 11:49:18 GMT -5
I dont' see this as anything other than a PR move. Realistically they are promoting Brian O'Halloran or they are bringing in a new guy with the same philosophy as Chaim Bloom. Nightengale already reported they had strong interest in bringing in Stearns before he went to the Mets. I'm happy they likely won't be changing the organizational philosophy they built the past four years, but its unfortunate that ownership is using Bloom as a scapegoat. I really don't see anything he's done egregiously wrong to the point of being fired, especially this season. On a funny note, was watching a youtube video posted by the Dodgers documenting Mookie's return, and they video'd the interaction between Mookie and Chaim that we saw pictures of. The first thing Mookie said was: "Nice to finally meet you." Pretty telling that Chaim was hired with the objective to trade Mookie rather than even attempt to sign him. Love to totally overturn the organization while sowing fear and distrust in any potential future hirees for the PR!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 14, 2023 11:49:44 GMT -5
But he had such a good deadline!
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Sept 14, 2023 11:49:49 GMT -5
Sox are going to be good in the coming years because of the work Bloom did. Cold world. Going to be very disappointed if they go away from the “sustainable” approach with this hire
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Post by briam on Sept 14, 2023 11:50:03 GMT -5
I’m genuinely curious, why are some folks so upset by this move. Is it for continuity sake or did you think Bloom legitimately did a good job? The last two years for me leave me with little faith in him building a contending MLB club, all his best qualities seem to be drafting and not trading prospects, which won’t really change if the rest of the org structure is left in place. He misread two deadlines, went into the tax for a team finishing last in the AL East, and is on the verge of finishing under .500 again.
In other words, what was the move by Chaim that made you say “I’m glad we have him over your baseline GM”
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 14, 2023 11:50:03 GMT -5
They should bring Dombrowski back and then just rotate Dombrowski and Bloom on four year cycles of building the farm up then tearing it down to acquire superteams.
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Post by ephus on Sept 14, 2023 11:50:13 GMT -5
I feel like this is kind of like hiring a landscaper to dig up your lawn and plant a bunch of bulbs in the fall, and then having a February thaw and firing your landscaper because the bulbs didn't come up.
I just hope the new team doesn't dig up all the bulbs.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 14, 2023 11:50:31 GMT -5
Whoa - this is unexpected. I hate to see anyone lose their job and, as much as I've been skeptical of Chaim Bloom's tenure, I've stated in recent days and believed he deserved one more year.
God bless.
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Post by nomar on Sept 14, 2023 11:50:41 GMT -5
I’m honestly shocked but I think Cora should go too. Fresh start for the org. I really wonder who they will hire. I doubt another “young genius” type will line up for the gig after BC and Bloom got the boot right after a rebuild.
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 14, 2023 11:51:08 GMT -5
This guy’s going to think about pitching moves/non-moves in the 2021-2022 offseason and the Renfroe trade for a long time. I feel like the 2022 trade deadline and Mookie get their share of attention; that was a poor offseason.
There’s a lot of things he did pretty well; I hope we put more emphasis on injury prone/health going forward at MLB level.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 14, 2023 11:51:23 GMT -5
Oh man, I sure hate this! Apologies to Guidas: I genuinely did not expect this sort of mercurial fickleness from these owners, but you were right, they are stupider and more chaotic than I realized. Well, I hope the next GM has learned the proper lesson: absolutely do not, under any circumstances, pursue a patient approach to organization-building; you literally will not have time to succeed on these terms. More like: absolutely, do not, under any circumstances, pursue a “buy and sell” approach at the trade deadline.
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Post by bosoxnation on Sept 14, 2023 11:51:42 GMT -5
is cora next?
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Post by chr31ter on Sept 14, 2023 11:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 14, 2023 11:52:54 GMT -5
I’m honestly shocked but I think Cora should go too. Fresh start for the org. I really wonder who they will hire. I doubt another “young genius” type will line up for the gig after BC and Bloom got the boot right after a rebuild. I think the writing absolutely has to be on the wall for Cora - at this point might as well pull the plug on that too and let Varitek get a little experience as the interim.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 14, 2023 11:53:08 GMT -5
I'm wondering the same thing, if this is the direction they go why would O'Halloran be any improvement on Bloom? Would just be keeping a similar philosophy/direction and just using Bloom as a scape goat which hey Bloom kind of did to himself with his lack of results the last two seasons. That being said I think I'd rather they go outside the org for someone with experience running a baseball ops that had prior success. Feels like ownership is hoping for a year long grace period to do the same stuff but to have Anthony, Mayer and Teel debut before us villagers get restless again. I'd probably be fine with that overall I guess, I think organizationally the farm is definitely turning into a strength which will start baring fruit here soon enough. My fear right now is that Henry and Co. are just flipping the script again and saying we need to have a winner next season at all costs and someone comes in and takes a hatchet to the farm and signs some risky/iffy FA deals and it doesn't pan out and all of a sudden things look like 2020 again. Then again if someone comes in and trades from the farm but acquires good controllable players then maybe it'll work out. This offseason that was already going to be interesting is now already getting more interesting than I even thought it would.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 14, 2023 11:53:13 GMT -5
Theo back to Boston confirmed!!!!!!
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Post by incandenza on Sept 14, 2023 11:53:18 GMT -5
Oh man, I sure hate this! Apologies to Guidas: I genuinely did not expect this sort of mercurial fickleness from these owners, but you were right, they are stupider and more chaotic than I realized. Well, I hope the next GM has learned the proper lesson: absolutely do not, under any circumstances, pursue a patient approach to organization-building; you literally will not have time to succeed on these terms. More like: absolutely, do not, under any circumstances, pursue a “buy and sell” approach at the trade deadline. I would be very surprised if this is why he was fired, and if it is then it is an extremely stupid reason.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 14, 2023 11:53:49 GMT -5
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