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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 15, 2023 16:47:07 GMT -5
Cora seemingly taking himself out of the running. I do actually think if he tries to learn the requisite aspects of the job he could eventually be good as a leader in a baseball ops role, but glad it's not looking likely for next year.
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Post by manfred on Sept 15, 2023 17:10:22 GMT -5
Cora seemingly taking himself out of the running. I do actually think if he tries to learn the requisite aspects of the job he could eventually be good as a leader in a baseball ops role, but glad it's not looking likely for next year. Does he just mean too soon as in I’m here to manage these last games… then we can revisit in November?
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Post by tizzle on Sept 15, 2023 17:11:38 GMT -5
Cora seemingly taking himself out of the running. I do actually think if he tries to learn the requisite aspects of the job he could eventually be good as a leader in a baseball ops role, but glad it's not looking likely for next year. Does he just mean too soon as in I’m here to manage these last games… then we can revisit in November? That's 100% how that reads.
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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 15, 2023 17:17:23 GMT -5
Cora seemingly taking himself out of the running. I do actually think if he tries to learn the requisite aspects of the job he could eventually be good as a leader in a baseball ops role, but glad it's not looking likely for next year. Does he just mean too soon as in I’m here to manage these last games… then we can revisit in November? Yeah second read of it that is also a very fair interpretation. Hope not! I'd also add if that's what he wants (and like he pushes hard for it), and you don't give it to him, you also kind of have to let him go as the manager right?
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Sept 15, 2023 17:27:47 GMT -5
I think it will be Cora. That’s who FSG trusts and the success Brad Stevens has had meets a precedent, even in a different sport.
Listening to commentary from McAdam, Carrabis, Speier I think they need a leader. The job has changed, it’s not a 15 person front office and the smartest guy is at the top. There’s hundreds of people and millions of $$ invested in the FO. You don’t need one of the 30 smartest people at the top, you need somebody to lead the smart people, earn trust from agents and other FOs and be the final decision maker. FSG will trust Cora to do that
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 15, 2023 17:36:00 GMT -5
Please go with Eddie Romero Jr.
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Post by bcpatsox18 on Sept 15, 2023 17:38:33 GMT -5
“I can rule out Theo Epstein as a candidate for one of these two positions,” Kennedy said.
You could definitely read this as “he is a candidate for other positions” if you’re conspiracy minded and praying for Theo to come back like I am lol
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Post by nomar on Sept 15, 2023 17:40:31 GMT -5
Hiring Cora who has never been in a front office would be a catastrophe. If he was GM/the new guys’ assistant then I wouldn’t care, but I can’t imagine them hiring him to run the org.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 15, 2023 17:45:20 GMT -5
Hiring Cora who has never been in a front office would be a catastrophe. If he was GM/the new guys’ assistant then I wouldn’t care, but I can’t imagine them hiring him to run the org. Yeah it would be like the BVW hire by the Mets (they’re so lucky to be done with the Wilpons)
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Post by jimoh on Sept 15, 2023 18:54:36 GMT -5
Does he just mean too soon as in I’m here to manage these last games… then we can revisit in November? Yeah second read of it that is also a very fair interpretation. Hope not! I'd also add if that's what he wants (and like he pushes hard for it), and you don't give it to him, you also kind of have to let him go as the manager right? I think it's important to remember that the next sentence says he is only 47-48, so a more reasonable interpretation would be "too soon in my career, maybe a few years from now' (preferably after some good successful years of managing).
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Post by manfred on Sept 15, 2023 19:05:16 GMT -5
Yeah second read of it that is also a very fair interpretation. Hope not! I'd also add if that's what he wants (and like he pushes hard for it), and you don't give it to him, you also kind of have to let him go as the manager right? I think it's important to remember that the next sentence says he is only 47-48, so a more reasonable interpretation would be "too soon in my career, maybe a few years from now' (preferably after some good successful years of managing). Yes, there is that. But in the end it is hardly “if nominated I will not run. If elected I will not serve.”
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Post by patford on Sept 15, 2023 19:35:35 GMT -5
Hiring Cora who has never been in a front office would be a catastrophe. If he was GM/the new guys’ assistant then I wouldn’t care, but I can’t imagine them hiring him to run the org. I don't know why hiring Cora to be GM due to lack of experience would be an issue. 4/5th of the fans think they know more about managing than Cora and would make a better GM than anyone alive.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 15, 2023 20:07:21 GMT -5
Hiring Cora who has never been in a front office would be a catastrophe. If he was GM/the new guys’ assistant then I wouldn’t care, but I can’t imagine them hiring him to run the org. While I'm not recommending Cora I'll say from what I read Cora might know the organization from top to bottom more than we think. I'm not saying more than BO, Romero, or Ferreira, but it sounds like Cora concerns himself with more than just the big league talent which seems a bit different than the typical manager.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Sept 15, 2023 21:27:15 GMT -5
Does anyone think Cora orchestrated this? Not sure what to think about that rumor.
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 15, 2023 21:33:12 GMT -5
Cora seemingly taking himself out of the running. I do actually think if he tries to learn the requisite aspects of the job he could eventually be good as a leader in a baseball ops role, but glad it's not looking likely for next year. Does he just mean too soon as in I’m here to manage these last games… then we can revisit in November? I don’t have a transcript, but his pregame answer to Will Flemming sounded less ambiguous. He said he does think about it (front office) regularly, but now doesn’t seem like the time. He specifically said it wouldn’t be fair to Chaim or the organization. He said that he thinks this is where he is supposed to be right now. Maybe they write in an advancement pathway in his next managerial contract, or maybe a handshake agreement would suffice. I don’t think anyone at all is opposed to him transitioning to a front office role, but this is definitely an inflection point for the organization where they need to get this right. Even one of the best managers around is going to have a learning curve with a front office role and they can’t afford that kind of gamble. On top of that gamble, they would be hoping for a lateral move with a new managerial hire, and they might not get that. A window is opening right now and they have to get this offseason right.
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Post by cdj on Sept 15, 2023 23:27:07 GMT -5
If it’s Cora I’d give him a chance but I don’t think it would go well
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Post by mark86 on Sept 16, 2023 5:12:46 GMT -5
I just don’t get the obsession by ownership to keep forcing an overrated manager on the GM. If I’m a GM candidate and they said you have to keep Cora I’d say fine and make his life hell fire his whole coaching staff and give him no say in the replacements make him quit
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Post by jimoh on Sept 16, 2023 6:02:35 GMT -5
I just don’t get the obsession by ownership to keep forcing an overrated manager on the GM. If I’m a GM candidate and they said you have to keep Cora I’d say fine and make his life hell fire his whole coaching staff and give him no say in the replacements make him quit Well it certainly sounds like you have the temperment and interpersonal skills we are looking for in a leader.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 16, 2023 9:01:24 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on Sept 16, 2023 11:44:09 GMT -5
Too bad that Theo is not a candidate. If he were re-hired, I would hope that he would arrive at the press converence in the same gorilla suit that he wore when he left Fenway Park.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 16, 2023 12:11:34 GMT -5
I've always liked Cora. He relates well with his players, is seemingly forthright, is articulate, good with the press and reputedly is a good, modern baseball mind. He is not yesterday's former player come manager.
At some point I suppose all managers get a bit stale...and with Chaim being replaced, does ownership decide now is the opportune time for a full cleansing. Even if so, I think the organization highly values Cora and he will be offered a respected place.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 16, 2023 15:28:03 GMT -5
I've always liked Cora. He relates well with his players, is seemingly forthright, is articulate, good with the press and reputedly is a good, modern baseball mind. He is not yesterday's former player come manager. At some point I suppose all managers get a bit stale...and with Chaim being replaced, does ownership decide now is the opportune time for a full cleansing. Even if so, I think the organization highly values Cora and he will be offered a respected place. I cant help but wonder if Cora manages for 2 or 3 more seasons and then moves upstairs in some capacity to make room for Jason Varitek to become the next manager, win-win for both guys.
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Post by mark86 on Sept 16, 2023 21:36:12 GMT -5
If Frost (As GM) is the next head of operations how would everyone feel
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 16, 2023 22:23:15 GMT -5
How does ownership think it’s going to get a #1 from somewhere to come when they just fired a guy who did exactly what they asked. Elizabeth Taylor married eight times, including to one guy twice (so, clearly, he knew better). You've got your PROs and your CONs. Like Elizabeth's beaus, not all will stack their ledger the same. My apologies to Elizabeth Taylor's eight families but whenever I hear her name I can only think of John Belushi playing her on SNL...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 16, 2023 22:29:43 GMT -5
If Frost (As GM) is the next head of operations how would everyone feel I guess I'd hope he didn't turn the Sox into Oakland East...
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