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2023-2024 Non-Red Sox Offseason Thread
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 21, 2024 5:29:41 GMT -5
Woof, maybe sox dodged a bullet with Yamamoto. Maybe 325M doesn't buy you what it used to.
I'm mostly kidding he'll be alright but rough first start.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 21, 2024 5:34:09 GMT -5
Absolutely disastrous first inning for Yamamoto in Seoul. More than 40 pitches, over half were off the plate, five runs given up. Batters were just teeing up.
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Post by asm18 on Mar 21, 2024 5:48:48 GMT -5
Jordan Montgomery is like the last person chosen for the dodgeball team. The potential teams are starting to dwindle The latest scuttlebutt is that Montgomery might wait until after opening day so that he doesn't get offered the QO after this season. In other words, he might want to lower his value to a signing team even more - both by denying the team QO compensation and by missing the first month or so of the season.
Speier said a while back that the Red Sox would be willing to sign Montgomery if his price tag got into the range of what Giolito signed for. Given how things are playing out, that is starting to seem plausible.
Speier also wrote on 3/10, “If Montgomery’s market collapses and if he becomes open to a contract that the Sox would see as ideal, then the team might reassess its budget and even reconsider its stance on staying under the threshold.” Heyman (Boras) was floating Monty to the Yankees yesterday, but who knows between Cohen tax/weird history with Monty. Would have to think now Rangers & Giants out. Astros are reported to be out. Phillies and Cubs maybe alternative options? In terms of timing, Montgomery signing late (for like the Giolito deal) and being ready like 3-4 weeks from now might not be the worst timing for the Sox? They clearly want a look at Houck/Whitlock in the rotation, and this would give you that by the time Monty comes back (and who knows who goes down by then). Additionally if he’s only giving you 5 months I find it hard to believe his AAV will be something that pushes you above the CBT. Someone here (my apologies for forgetting who) had half-jokingly posted a few weeks back that this all would end with Montgomery signing with the Sox March 23rd. Well… *looks at calendar* (ADD - not to mention… if Monty is waiting until like April 1 to sign, Sox should know if they’ll have a Casas extension done and if that would effect payroll.)
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Post by cdj on Mar 21, 2024 6:00:37 GMT -5
Obviously only his first start but Yamamoto throws a LOT of fat pitches
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 21, 2024 6:18:36 GMT -5
Imagine this board right about now if we signed Yamamoto.
That'd be worth the price of admission.
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Post by kevfc89 on Mar 21, 2024 6:22:57 GMT -5
Dodgers pitchers better rack up the strikeouts this year because that infield defense could be one of the worst in baseball outside of Freeman.
Though, their offense might just cover up any other faults.
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Post by cdj on Mar 21, 2024 6:31:13 GMT -5
Dodgers pitchers better rack up the strikeouts this year because that infield defense could be one of the worst in baseball outside of Freeman. Though, their offense might just cover up the other faults. It’s starting to look like a collection of all stars more than a well-assembled team the more I stare at their roster
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 21, 2024 6:40:55 GMT -5
Yamamoto hasn't quite reached all-star caliber yet.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 21, 2024 6:46:42 GMT -5
Dodgers pitchers better rack up the strikeouts this year because that infield defense could be one of the worst in baseball outside of Freeman. Though, their offense might just cover up the other faults. It’s starting to look like a collection of all stars more than a well-assembled team the more I stare at their roster It does make you wonder if instead of going after the brightest shiny toys this offseason if they might not have been better served splitting that money out to build out the roster more. I'm sure they'll be alright but it does strike me as a bit of a top heavy roster and perhaps not the most well built.
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Post by nomar on Mar 21, 2024 6:47:52 GMT -5
I won’t lie, after his forced dog and pony show when he was always going to end up in a Dodgers uniform, I would love to watch Yamamoto completely flop. That statline was a wonderful thing to wake up to.
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Post by cdj on Mar 21, 2024 6:50:06 GMT -5
It’s starting to look like a collection of all stars more than a well-assembled team the more I stare at their roster It does make you wonder if instead of going after the brightest shiny toys this offseason if they might not have been better served splitting that money out to build out the roster more. I'm sure they'll be alright but it does strike me as a bit of a top heavy roster and perhaps not the most well built. That’s the way I see it Boy can the top half of that lineup really rake though
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Post by nomar on Mar 21, 2024 8:16:54 GMT -5
It’s starting to look like a collection of all stars more than a well-assembled team the more I stare at their roster It does make you wonder if instead of going after the brightest shiny toys this offseason if they might not have been better served splitting that money out to build out the roster more. I'm sure they'll be alright but it does strike me as a bit of a top heavy roster and perhaps not the most well built. My dad was saying the other day that he couldn’t believe it but after all this offseason dust has basically settled and with the benefit of hindsight, he feels like ERod was the one that got away. 4/80 isn’t super cheap, but I kind of agree now too.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 21, 2024 8:18:45 GMT -5
Jordan Montgomery is like the last person chosen for the dodgeball team. The potential teams are starting to dwindle The latest scuttlebutt is that Montgomery might wait until after opening day so that he doesn't get offered the QO after this season. In other words, he might want to lower his value to a signing team even more - both by denying the team QO compensation and by missing the first month or so of the season. Speier said a while back that the Red Sox would be willing to sign Montgomery if his price tag got into the range of what Giolito signed for. Given how things are playing out, that is starting to seem plausible.
He must be really punting on his value at this point because at least with Snell the Giants will just offer him the QO and get a comp pick back. If I'm a team I'm even less interested in signing him.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 21, 2024 8:25:22 GMT -5
Absolutely disastrous first inning for Yamamoto in Seoul. More than 40 pitches, over half were off the plate, five runs given up. Batters were just teeing up. You might even say it's Seoul sucking for the Dodgers.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 21, 2024 8:33:12 GMT -5
Jordan Montgomery is like the last person chosen for the dodgeball team. The potential teams are starting to dwindle The latest scuttlebutt is that Montgomery might wait until after opening day so that he doesn't get offered the QO after this season. In other words, he might want to lower his value to a signing team even more - both by denying the team QO compensation and by missing the first month or so of the season.
Speier said a while back that the Red Sox would be willing to sign Montgomery if his price tag got into the range of what Giolito signed for. Given how things are playing out, that is starting to seem plausible.
Couldn’t Boras just negotiate the QO out of the contract and sign today? Or even 3 months ago to avoid the matter entirely? Has an agent ever been sued for malpractice?
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Post by sxfan on Mar 21, 2024 8:40:08 GMT -5
It does make you wonder if instead of going after the brightest shiny toys this offseason if they might not have been better served splitting that money out to build out the roster more. I'm sure they'll be alright but it does strike me as a bit of a top heavy roster and perhaps not the most well built. That’s the way I see it Boy can the top half of that lineup really rake though They need to stop the Lux experiment and get a real short stop and move Mookie back to second. It would be a lot better constructed that way. Muncy would still be bad but the rest of the infield would be above average.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 21, 2024 8:43:16 GMT -5
The latest scuttlebutt is that Montgomery might wait until after opening day so that he doesn't get offered the QO after this season. In other words, he might want to lower his value to a signing team even more - both by denying the team QO compensation and by missing the first month or so of the season. Speier said a while back that the Red Sox would be willing to sign Montgomery if his price tag got into the range of what Giolito signed for. Given how things are playing out, that is starting to seem plausible.
He must be really punting on his value at this point because at least with Snell the Giants will just offer him the QO and get a comp pick back. If I'm a team I'm even less interested in signing him. Snell can't be QO'd again because he was QO'd last season.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 21, 2024 8:46:44 GMT -5
If you're Montgomery at this point you may as well just wait for the season to start to sign so that you can't be QO'd next offseason, assuming he signs something along the lines of a 2 year deal with an opt out. I really don't think it would change his bottom dollar all that much at this point if a team didn't have the option to QO him next year.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 21, 2024 8:47:59 GMT -5
That’s the way I see it Boy can the top half of that lineup really rake though They need to stop the Lux experiment and get a real short stop and move Mookie back to second. It would be a lot better constructed that way. Muncy would still be bad but the rest of the infield would be above average. They already have one in Rojas, so this is all just a bet on Lux hitting a ton and hopefully working through the yips defensively. It of course makes no sense to downgrade the whole infield defense for a slightly above average 2B bat.
I didn't remember that Lux was the #2 prospect in baseball and a 70 FV when he graduated Fangraphs' rankings. But he also made his debut back in 2019 and he's never nearly lived up that billing. His 30 arm was at least in the ballpark.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 21, 2024 9:18:30 GMT -5
He must be really punting on his value at this point because at least with Snell the Giants will just offer him the QO and get a comp pick back. If I'm a team I'm even less interested in signing him. Snell can't be QO'd again because he was QO'd last season. Ah that's right. I also forgot Montgomery was traded last year.
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Post by asm18 on Mar 21, 2024 11:28:34 GMT -5
This got buried in the Ohtani avalanche, but Breslow said on Rob Bradford's "Baseball Isn't Boring" podcast this morning that the minor league deal opt-out market is an area where they might be looking for pitching depth. That said, the only pitching depth of note from this list I'm seeing (and I have no clue if they would opt out) - Matt Barnes, Jake Odorizzi, Carlos Carrasco? Fangraphs has another list of MiLB deals, and there's also like Brad Keller, Zach Davies. - www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker?pos=sp&sign=signedAllegedly Noah Syndergaard has been offered a minor league deal by a few different teams.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 21, 2024 12:38:41 GMT -5
Ohtani is caught up in a gambling scandal and Yamamoto got shelled… rough day.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 21, 2024 15:10:15 GMT -5
My annual treat of watching the Dodgers lose in the playoffs will be especially delicious this year.
Fun fact, there is now a virtual 30 way tie.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 21, 2024 15:45:55 GMT -5
I think the fact that Ohtani deferred almost his entire salary as a tax dodge (while presenting it as a selfless act to help the Dodgers field a winning team) has me starting from a slightly more skeptical stance than I otherwise would. Do you pay 13.3 percent state income tax!? $700,000,000 x 13.3 percent is $93,100,000 in California state tax. It would $0 if he resided in Washington, Texas, Nevada, Georgia, Florida, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming, and Tennessee. As a financial planner, Ohtani received fantastic advice and I would encourage any player in a high tax state like California to defer money, and leave the state. I consult CA State employees in retirement planning meetings for my last six years before retiring. Many moved out of the state to make their pensions go farther. Obviously, $93,100,000 In excessive tax is not insignificant! I guess you're acknowledging the tax dodge? In that case, doesn't it bug you that this was presented by his representatives as a selfless act whereby he was allowing the Dodgers to spend on other players to field a winning team when it was actually a way for him to pocket more money.
It also bugs me that a hundred-millionaire would seek to avoid contributing their share to the overall good of a society that has made him one of the wealthiest people ever to live - even after taxes. But I won't try to convince you to see that the same way as I do.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 21, 2024 16:19:50 GMT -5
Do you pay 13.3 percent state income tax!? $700,000,000 x 13.3 percent is $93,100,000 in California state tax. It would $0 if he resided in Washington, Texas, Nevada, Georgia, Florida, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming, and Tennessee. As a financial planner, Ohtani received fantastic advice and I would encourage any player in a high tax state like California to defer money, and leave the state. I consult CA State employees in retirement planning meetings for my last six years before retiring. Many moved out of the state to make their pensions go farther. Obviously, $93,100,000 In excessive tax is not insignificant! I guess you're acknowledging the tax dodge? In that case, doesn't it bug you that this was presented by his representatives as a selfless act whereby he was allowing the Dodgers to spend on other players to field a winning team when it was actually a way for him to pocket more money.
It also bugs me that a hundred-millionaire would seek to avoid contributing their share to the overall good of a society that has made him one of the wealthiest people ever to live - even after taxes. But I won't try to convince you to see that the same way as I do.
I think I agree with about 95% of what you post on here, but I can’t back you this time around. As a California resident myself, I PROMISE you that our tax dollars aren’t going to the “overall good of a society” and are, instead, pissed away in a myriad of useless programs. What you said definitely sounds good, but reality is not quite a world you are envisioning here. Ohtani just used the existing system in the most advantageous way. He’s paying every dollar required of him under the law. He definitely got good advice along the way to maximize his return.
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