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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 7, 2023 0:43:22 GMT -5
Not sure how 25 WAR in 9 years could seem outrageous for a star pitcher entering his prime.
To me though, it's about whether he becmoes a key piece of a championship club and you're going to need an ace at some point. Based on what he did this past weekend (and this past March), he appears unfazed by the big stage.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 9, 2023 22:54:43 GMT -5
Put me in the corner that wants Yamamoto and a trade for Corbin Burns who. hopefully. the Sox can extend.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Nov 10, 2023 9:53:12 GMT -5
I think he gets somewhere around 7/$210, which is roughly the Tanaka contract after inflation. I would have no issue with giving him that contract if the Sox scouts think he is as good as people say. Paying a high price for pitching, whether it's on the free agent market or via a trade, is always going to be risky, but you gotta do it somewhere and Sale's contract will be off the books in a year. At 25 he fits right in with the core of Devers, Bello and Casas. You sign him and you've got 2 starters that you can plug into your rotation for the next 5 years, the other spots can be filled out with veterans, prospects and reclamation projects like usual. Hopefully Breslow is able to get the system to really start churning out pitchers. It's always going to be risky tying up money in a pitcher but you gotta do it somewhere.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 16, 2023 13:22:44 GMT -5
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Post by asm19 on Nov 16, 2023 13:34:28 GMT -5
He’s clearly very talented, but it was a nice reality check to see this in-depth look at his pitch data. Brozdowski doesn’t project him to be like a dominant super ace the second he steps off the plane in the USA - let’s keep that in mind and not freak out when he signs with the Mets in 3 weeks 🤪 |
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Post by nomar on Nov 16, 2023 15:44:16 GMT -5
This was great. I certainly agree with him that his age is kind of taking the wheel when it comes to his contract. I don’t see the Red Sox outbidding both New York teams for him anyway, but it’s a good reminder that despite the hype, this deal is far from risk free for any team. |
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Post by dirtdog on Nov 16, 2023 20:06:27 GMT -5
Let's hope Heyman is wrong.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 16, 2023 20:11:24 GMT -5
Heyman is usually wrong. Lol.
See judge
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Nov 16, 2023 21:24:59 GMT -5
I remember Heymen saying Max Scherzer will sign with west coast team only because of family reason but he signed with the Mets. Yamamoto will go where the money is they always do.
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Post by cdj on Nov 16, 2023 21:46:35 GMT -5
This was great. I certainly agree with him that his age is kind of taking the wheel when it comes to his contract. I don’t see the Red Sox outbidding both New York teams for him anyway, but it’s a good reminder that despite the hype, this deal is far from risk free for any team. Giving any pitcher that’s ever lived 8 years is living life in the fast lane, I’d say that’s especially the case for a guy that hasn’t pitched in the majors If they decide to speed racer it and give him 8/200 I’ll be ok with it but I’ll also acknowledge the massive risk involved |
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Post by asm19 on Nov 22, 2023 10:24:39 GMT -5
I’ve been less inclined to exuberance on Yamamoto than a lot of Red Sox fans (I constantly see Tyler Milliken and other Sox Twitter dudes framing his posting from Japan like it’s the Second Coming of Christ), but this was an incredibly encouraging breakdown of his pitch characteristics compared to current MLB players: www.mlb.com/news/yoshinobu-yamamoto-statcast-preview |
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 22, 2023 14:52:25 GMT -5
supposedly told his agents he prefers to play with Japanese players, which is rare for a Japanese posting, and also seems to advantage the Red Sox (and a couple other teams).
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Post by incandenza on Nov 22, 2023 15:07:15 GMT -5
Quick, sign Maeda. We'd be the only MLB team with two Japanese players. And I kind of like Maeda anyway.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 22, 2023 17:42:11 GMT -5
Quick, sign Maeda. We'd be the only MLB team with two Japanese players. And I kind of like Maeda anyway. Or quickly sign the lefty Japanese starter when he gets posted on Monday. |
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Post by Canseco on Nov 22, 2023 17:58:26 GMT -5
Quick, sign Maeda. We'd be the only MLB team with two Japanese players. And I kind of like Maeda anyway. Or quickly sign the lefty Japanese starter when he gets posted on Monday. My thoughts exactly. Sign Imanaga and maybe that lefty reliever supposedly being posted. Let’s wheel and deal. |
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 22, 2023 18:02:09 GMT -5
In theory,
Would you spend towards 600 million on Ohtani and Yamamoto?
Like 8 years for $46 million on Ohtani and and 8 years at $28.5 million on Yamamato?
Seems extremely high risk / high reward... (not to mention unrealistic)
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 22, 2023 18:29:01 GMT -5
In theory, Would you spend towards 600 million on Ohtani and Yamamoto? Like 8 years for $46 million on Ohtani and and 8 years at $28.5 million on Yamamato? Seems extremely high risk / high reward... (not to mention unrealistic) I think Ohtani likely gets more years than that - but absolutely, yes. Hopefully Henry thinks they increase the income enough to agree. |
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Post by wOBA Fett on Nov 22, 2023 19:55:39 GMT -5
7-220,full no trade clause, luxury road suite, Box seats for family for every home game, ability to throw 120 feet every day (if he wants) and Hazel Mae as his interpreter.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 22, 2023 23:23:26 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Nov 22, 2023 23:27:25 GMT -5
Quick, sign Maeda. We'd be the only MLB team with two Japanese players. And I kind of like Maeda anyway. my Team Japan plan is in full effect Maeda would be a pretty good 2nd pitcher to add too |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 22, 2023 23:28:17 GMT -5
If the Sox like him that much and think he will truly be an ace, then they should offer him 9 years 250 million with an opt out after 5 years.
I know it sounds ridiculously high amd long but if you're going to be up there with the Mets and you really believe in him, then you have to make this kind of an offer.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 23, 2023 1:03:38 GMT -5
Quick, sign Maeda. We'd be the only MLB team with two Japanese players. And I kind of like Maeda anyway. my Team Japan plan is in full effect Maeda would be a pretty good 2nd pitcher to add too I'm nervous about Maeda's health. Missed 2022, missed two months in 2023. Made the last 17 starts on schedule though (from 6/23 - 9/28), and if you throw out his single best and worst starts (his worst being the one before his 2-month IL stint), he had a 3.63 ERA for the year. Turns 36 in April. I guess I wouldn't hate it but I'd hope they don't guarantee him 2 years. Maybe one year, a second year vesting option if he stays healthy, and a third year club option. More aggressively, maybe $15m for the first year and a player option for $5m the next year. If he's good at age 36, you count your blessings, fire up the duck boats, he opts out, and you move on. If he can't make it through 2024, you paid less than the crowdsource price of 2/$24m. And yes, do it quickly... |
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Post by keninten on Nov 25, 2023 16:18:42 GMT -5
Trade for Yu Darvish. He`d cost nothing with his remaining salary. But he is good friends with Yamamoto. That`s probably about $40 mil per year for 5 years so it is a large and long investment. Yamamoto will probably get more than 5 years. Simple.
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 25, 2023 18:12:04 GMT -5
Maybe 9 years for $250 million.
Yamamato gets and opt out after 5 years. We can an opt out after 7 years, where he is paid $10 million if we action that. That is $204 million guaranteed over 7 years
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 25, 2023 21:35:56 GMT -5
Maybe 9 years for $250 million. Yamamato gets and opt out after 5 years. We can an opt out after 7 years, where he is paid $10 million if we action that. That is $204 million guaranteed over 7 years Good idea  |
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