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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 12, 2023 16:37:23 GMT -5
This may be unpopular around these parts but if it made a difference I’d give Yama an opt out after 3-4 years. I’d rather have him for several years In his prime than not have him at all.
I was convinced few months ago he was going to the Sox, but as more time passes I’m fairly convinced it’s LA or one of the NY teams.
I hope I’m wrong and I get surprised this week.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 12, 2023 16:49:48 GMT -5
ADD: Another point to make here... All of these guys were successful in MLB, with the partial exception of Daisuke. I think Yamamoto is about as safe a bet to be at least a solid major leaguer as you're going to get. I am not really you can even say Matsuzaka was unsuccessful here. He was pretty good his first two years. The criticism he received was in part for him not going deep into games, which was a product more of the era. Additionally the hype for him was likely overblown as were the expectations as to the type of pitcher he was. He really fell off following injuries, which always should have been a concern for him due to the way he was handled as a young pitcher. 15 years later, I would argue that he was better than he was given credit for early in his career. If Matsuzaka is a cautionary tale, it should be that pitchers get hurt.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 12, 2023 16:54:43 GMT -5
I would give him 10/350 and not loose sleep over it. I think that's what Steve Cohen ultimately signs him for.
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Post by basbal24 on Dec 12, 2023 21:20:00 GMT -5
10/400
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Post by rico6 on Dec 12, 2023 21:25:23 GMT -5
I would give him 10/350 and not loose sleep over it. Lou is that you?
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 13, 2023 9:58:14 GMT -5
Marino Pepen says the Red Sox will have the last meeting with Yamamoto as part of their strategy. Hopefully this works and they seal the deal.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 13, 2023 10:15:37 GMT -5
This has me more optimistic than anything else I've heard. It may also be telling that Yamamoto is willing to meet with the Sox last as well. I suppose it's always a risk that a team comes in and makes a FU dare you to match offer like SD did with Bogaerts last year but I'm going to live on Lou island this morning and feel pretty good about our chances.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 13, 2023 10:33:08 GMT -5
Meeting last probably means little to nothing but hey it can't hurt either so it's perhaps something. I'm not counting them out until YY puts pen to paper though.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 13, 2023 10:54:04 GMT -5
Nothing exciting going to happen for us until after that meeting
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Post by asm19 on Dec 13, 2023 11:19:54 GMT -5
theathletic.com/5133297/2023/12/13/rosenthal-yoshinobu-yamamoto-suitors/From Ken Rosenthal - described the fits for possible suitors Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Giants and Red Sox. Suggests $300 million (plus posting) is increasingly likely. Of Yankees he noted the complicating factor of Soto being a free agent next year (in addition to all their other expenditures).
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Post by manfred on Dec 13, 2023 11:29:14 GMT -5
Meeting last probably means little to nothing but hey it can't hurt either so it's perhaps something. I'm not counting them out until YY puts pen to paper though. Like Price is Right? Last bid +$1?
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 13, 2023 11:32:39 GMT -5
Meeting last probably means little to nothing but hey it can't hurt either so it's perhaps something. I'm not counting them out until YY puts pen to paper though. Like Price is Right? Last bid +$1? You may be on to something, upon the start of the meeting someone steals their phones so they can't call the other bidders after the Sox outbid the previous high bid by a couple bucks!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 13, 2023 11:37:06 GMT -5
This may be unpopular around these parts but if it made a difference I’d give Yama an opt out after 3-4 years. I’d rather have him for several years In his prime than not have him at all. I was convinced few months ago he was going to the Sox, but as more time passes I’m fairly convinced it’s LA or one of the NY teams. I hope I’m wrong and I get surprised this week. This has been my stance since day 1. Let him walk after a parade or two and then reload. You also have exclusive ability to renegotiate if you think he'll last a few more years. If he gets hurt and accepts the rest of the deal, it's no different than if you signed him with no player option and he got hurt. Given the hot market, it's unlikely that a player option drops his asking price much, so I would try to tack a club option onto the end or maybe a provision that adds a year if he has to get TJ.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 13, 2023 12:59:43 GMT -5
Of all the teams rumored to be involved it seems to me that the Red Sox and Giants are very obviously the best fits given their team and contract situations. I'd be surprised if he doesn't go to one of those two teams. I might have added the Mets but the report they just put out is weird vibes and makes me think he's definitely not going there.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 13, 2023 13:38:18 GMT -5
Give him $2M per year for 15 years and then $999M per year from 2099-2198. So about 15/$100B for an AAV of $35M.
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Post by kwodes on Dec 13, 2023 14:48:42 GMT -5
Of all the teams rumored to be involved it seems to me that the Red Sox and Giants are very obviously the best fits given their team and contract situations. I'd be surprised if he doesn't go to one of those two teams. I might have added the Mets but the report they just put out is weird vibes and makes me think he's definitely not going there. seems like the Mets are the new boogeyman used by agents to drive up the price. Sorry, ****Steve Cohen**** not the Mets
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Post by nomar on Dec 13, 2023 14:58:09 GMT -5
Of all the teams rumored to be involved it seems to me that the Red Sox and Giants are very obviously the best fits given their team and contract situations. I'd be surprised if he doesn't go to one of those two teams. I might have added the Mets but the report they just put out is weird vibes and makes me think he's definitely not going there. seems like the Mets are the new boogeyman used by agents to drive up the price. Sorry, ****Steve Cohen**** not the Mets The real boogeyman is realizing how many billions bad franchises like the Mets will have to spend to stop being the Mets.
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Post by patford on Dec 13, 2023 15:06:32 GMT -5
The only thing I feel certain about is if the Red Sox step in with some sort of deal with massive deferred money (I'm aware deferred money is nothing new) MLB will step in and rewrite the rules.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Dec 13, 2023 17:41:53 GMT -5
The Giants also just made a large expenditure to Jung Hun Lee. So maybe they'd be a little more likely to let YY take the Red Sox absurd deal..
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 13, 2023 17:55:32 GMT -5
Giants are 50 million under the tax, and 22 under last year's payroll. I would not count them out for anyone unfortunately.
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Post by geostorm on Dec 13, 2023 19:33:20 GMT -5
Giants are 50 million under the tax, and 22 under last year's payroll. I would not count them out for anyone unfortunately. Sure, but, FSG just added to their already rather significant revenue stream!
"The deal creates some eyebrow-raising partnerships due to the fact that daily operations of the network are handled by the New England Sports Network (NESN), which is owned by Fenway Sports Group. FSG owns the Penguins and holds an 80% stake in SportsNet Pittsburgh, per Mackey. That means that Red Sox owners John Henry and Tom Werner, the founders of FSG, will directly profit from the Pirates’ television broadcasts moving forward. Williams emphasized to Mackey that MLB has not deemed that to be a conflict of interest — FSG’s operations are a separate business venture from the Red Sox — and he added that the existing relationship between Henry, Werner and Pirates owner Bob Nutting actually helped to facilitate the arrangement.
Notably, Williams indicated that both the Pirates and Penguins are hoping to be able to offer a direct-to-consumer streaming option “as soon as possible,” adding that such a feature is currently at the works at NESN. Financial terms of the short-term arrangement and any potential down-the-road streaming options remain unclear, but Williams claimed the broadcast situation will not change the team’s payroll outlook."
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Post by fisk75 on Dec 15, 2023 7:13:18 GMT -5
For some reason I have optimism here. Hang with me. I have some experience working with automotive dealers, and one thing we always try to explain to them is you are better of being the last dealer a consumer visits as apposed to the first. You have the advantage of knowing what you are up against and the last one they remember if they leave and then make a decision.
I believe being the last meeting with Yamamoto was wisely strategically planned. The Red Sox have not allowed anything to leak. I am sure they have a good plan in place here. I am sure the meeting is going to be Breslow, Cora and Kennedy coming in to shake hands and discuss a power point.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 15, 2023 8:06:13 GMT -5
Noy a great time for Mayor Wu to be muddying the waters.
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Post by cdj on Dec 15, 2023 8:16:27 GMT -5
I guarantee Yamamoto has no idea what you’re talking about and even if he did I bet he doesn’t give a rats ass. He’s not a 50+ YO white dude online.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 15, 2023 8:21:22 GMT -5
There was much speculation about Ohtani and San Francisco. When a player is supposedly orienting towards the city as opposed to just the money. I wouldn't be so sure.
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