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Post by asm19 on Dec 12, 2023 10:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 12, 2023 10:13:33 GMT -5
Hopefully the Sox wear their big boy pants to the meeting and are prepared to actually offer him the top dollar and not just a fair contract in their eyes.
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 12, 2023 10:25:56 GMT -5
Hopefully the Sox wear their big boy pants to the meeting and are prepared to actually offer him the top dollar and not just a fair contract in their eyes. Maybe even have Yoshida with them and he can have his big boy pants pulled up to his nipples!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 12, 2023 10:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 12, 2023 10:35:09 GMT -5
That just seems like baseless conjecture from the writer but if there's any truth to them not being interested in a bidding war for the guy then they may as well just cancel the meeting as there is going to be a bidding war for him.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 12, 2023 10:46:07 GMT -5
Regarding the idea in that video above that Japanese pitchers should be expected to struggle in their first year... I don't think the numbers bear that out. In fact it almost looks like the opposite: Darvish, Maeda, Nomo, and Daisuke all had their best fWAR of their career in their first year. Tanaka had fewer IP but had his best ERA and FIP in his first year. Kuroda was incredibly consistent right from the beginning and throughout his career. Ryu is Korean but he had a very good first year. Every top-tier East Asian pitcher seems to be pretty much what they are right off the bat when they come to the States.
ADD: Another point to make here... All of these guys were successful in MLB, with the partial exception of Daisuke. I think Yamamoto is about as safe a bet to be at least a solid major leaguer as you're going to get.
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Post by funkybuddha on Dec 12, 2023 11:00:11 GMT -5
That just seems like baseless conjecture from the writer but if there's any truth to them not being interested in a bidding war for the guy then they may as well just cancel the meeting as there is going to be a bidding war for him. Agree. Also IMO if I had to put a favorite on which team signs him... The way the Dodgers deferred that $ for Ohtani they HAVE to go for all of it right now right? They are going to have an empty hole for around 30 million on their payroll for 10 years after he's done. They have to be thinking at least 2 WS in the next 10 years. Having said that I truly hope he signs with Boston somehow, some way.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 12, 2023 11:09:11 GMT -5
Expected. Cubs and Red Sox can't compete with those two spend wise. Its not their game anymore. The game is compete with a solid roster but don't get in bidding wars. Its an adjustment to be on this side of the fence.
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Post by asm19 on Dec 12, 2023 11:09:45 GMT -5
"We can say with a tiny bit more certainty that he's like a Gausman with Bassit's curve and Eflin's command, which would be a dominant combination but also has not necessarily existed in one human being before."
Personally, I find this description more intriguing than anything that's been described about Yamamoto so far - but it's kinda funny because if you convinced the alot of the thirsty Red Sox fans who have seen only 30 seconds worth of Yamamoto that that was his comp they'd be like, "What? He's a souped-up Zach Eflin? I thought he was an ace?"
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Post by bcpatsox18 on Dec 12, 2023 11:41:49 GMT -5
Expected. Cubs and Red Sox can't compete with those two spend wise. Its not their game anymore. The game is compete with a solid roster but don't get in bidding wars. Its an adjustment to be on this side of the fence. The Red Sox absolutely COULD compete if they wanted to, it’s just whether Henry wants to or not. The Red Sox are the third most valuable franchise behind the Yankees and dodgers and Henry’s net worth is nothing to sneeze at even compared to other owners.
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Post by cdj on Dec 12, 2023 11:55:49 GMT -5
When we pair Japanese talent = world series
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 12, 2023 12:17:23 GMT -5
Expected. Cubs and Red Sox can't compete with those two spend wise. Its not their game anymore. The game is compete with a solid roster but don't get in bidding wars. Its an adjustment to be on this side of the fence. The Red Sox absolutely COULD compete if they wanted to, it’s just whether Henry wants to or not. The Red Sox are the third most valuable franchise behind the Yankees and dodgers and Henry’s net worth is nothing to sneeze at even compared to other owners. Sure. But whats the odds of it? I can't see him greenlighting another 300 million contract. Especially for someone unproven. Dodgers Yankees and Mets have no problem doing that. Its just not the model anymore to outbid the big boys.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 12, 2023 12:48:21 GMT -5
That just seems like baseless conjecture from the writer but if there's any truth to them not being interested in a bidding war for the guy then they may as well just cancel the meeting as there is going to be a bidding war for him. Agree. Also IMO if I had to put a favorite on which team signs him... The way the Dodgers deferred that $ for Ohtani they HAVE to go for all of it right now right? They are going to have an empty hole for around 30 million on their payroll for 10 years after he's done. They have to be thinking at least 2 WS in the next 10 years. Having said that I truly hope he signs with Boston somehow, some way. They also needed to defer money for Ohtani to sign Ohtani. They are already shelling out huge money for Betts and Freeman. Being able to sign him without dumping Betts/Freeman is impressive. They also need to sign other pitchers even if those pitchers aren’t the top guy. That staff is in rough shape for this year.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 12, 2023 13:07:31 GMT -5
The Red Sox absolutely COULD compete if they wanted to, it’s just whether Henry wants to or not. The Red Sox are the third most valuable franchise behind the Yankees and dodgers and Henry’s net worth is nothing to sneeze at even compared to other owners. Sure. But whats the odds of it? I can't see him greenlighting another 300 million contract. Especially for someone unproven. Dodgers Yankees and Mets have no problem doing that. Its just not the model anymore to outbid the big boys. It's been less than a year since the last time the Red Sox signed a player to a $300 million contract, and that player was also notable for being especially young. If the Red Sox were going to sign anyone to that size of a contract, Yamamoto is exactly the player they'd do it for.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 12, 2023 13:08:06 GMT -5
Sox to meet with YY per Feinsand. So if they’re last, do they get to know the other teams’ bids?
Will Breslow’s nerd factor win the day? Who else will be there? Henry? Bailey? Pedro? Sale? Papi?
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Dec 12, 2023 13:31:46 GMT -5
I really want to know what the MLB comp is for Imanaga. I think the Trade market and one of Imanaga/Montgomery is more realistic. The Mets are Mad with pitching contracts and have had some success with the Japanese pitching market. Hope I’m wrong
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 12, 2023 13:46:45 GMT -5
Sox to meet with YY per Feinsand. So if they’re last, do they get to know the other teams’ bids? Will Breslow’s nerd factor win the day? Who else will be there? Henry? Bailey? Pedro? Sale? Papi? If they get to the interview I have to imagine they have the inside track to sign him. "What's your best offer?" "We'll top that by 30 million. Take it or leave it".
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Post by 0ap0 on Dec 12, 2023 13:47:13 GMT -5
Sure. But whats the odds of it? I can't see him greenlighting another 300 million contract. Especially for someone unproven. Dodgers Yankees and Mets have no problem doing that. Its just not the model anymore to outbid the big boys. It's been less than a year since the last time the Red Sox signed a player to a $300 million contract, and that player was also notable for being especially young. If the Red Sox were going to sign anyone to that size of a contract, Yamamoto is exactly the player they'd do it for. I agree. You spend a lot of prospects to get a young Chris Sale and you spend a lot of money to get a young Yamamoto.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 12, 2023 13:47:17 GMT -5
I would offfer him 12/350
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 12, 2023 14:45:17 GMT -5
"We can say with a tiny bit more certainty that he's like a Gausman with Bassit's curve and Eflin's command, which would be a dominant combination but also has not necessarily existed in one human being before." Personally, I find this description more intriguing than anything that's been described about Yamamoto so far - but it's kinda funny because if you convinced the alot of the thirsty Red Sox fans who have seen only 30 seconds worth of Yamamoto that that was his comp they'd be like, "What? He's a souped-up Zach Eflin? I thought he was an ace?" I'm sticking with my Lincecum comp. Undersized shooting star with precision mechanics who dominates for a few years before fading out. With any luck, his peak will last longer than Big Time Timmy Jim's (who, btw, peaked at ages 24-25)...
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2023 14:54:38 GMT -5
So the Baseball world thinks our new GM is basically going to act like our old one? That would be shocking to me, I expected him to go big in free agency. Maybe this isn't his guy, but if it is, I would expect he makes an offer that shocks people. I just don’t see our owner hiring a new guy, that lays out a plan that's basically what Bloom did for years. I fully expect we blow past luxury tax line after resetting last year!
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Post by Guidas on Dec 12, 2023 16:19:34 GMT -5
"We can say with a tiny bit more certainty that he's like a Gausman with Bassit's curve and Eflin's command, which would be a dominant combination but also has not necessarily existed in one human being before." Personally, I find this description more intriguing than anything that's been described about Yamamoto so far - but it's kinda funny because if you convinced the alot of the thirsty Red Sox fans who have seen only 30 seconds worth of Yamamoto that that was his comp they'd be like, "What? He's a souped-up Zach Eflin? I thought he was an ace?" I'm sticking with my Lincecum comp. Undersized shooting star with precision mechanics who dominates for a few years before fading out. With any luck, his peak will last longer than Big Time Timmy Jim's (who, btw, peaked at ages 24-25)... Saris may be the best writer out there on pitching analytics and scouting. Says we're looking at two elite pitches, a top 20 FB and elite command. As with any Japanese pitcher, the question will be workload management and maintaining quality with the 5-man rotation and nationwide travel. I think they have to come in and blow him away with an offer but say it goes away if he walks out the door without agreeing. Otherwise, they'll just be used to up the bidding with Cohen. I have nothing to base this opinion on other than being a voracious reader about deal-making, and having seen a few massive deals up close (although I was not the big dollar beneficiary, just part of the team supplying content).
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 12, 2023 16:29:15 GMT -5
I will guess 8/240 no opt outs
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Post by taftreign on Dec 12, 2023 16:32:42 GMT -5
Sox to meet with YY per Feinsand. So if they’re last, do they get to know the other teams’ bids? Will Breslow’s nerd factor win the day? Who else will be there? Henry? Bailey? Pedro? Sale? Papi? If they get to the interview I have to imagine they have the inside track to sign him. "What's your best offer?" "We'll top that by 30 million. Take it or leave it". Both the Blue Jays and Dodgers will have a meeting after the Red Sox. He will not make a decision until his meetings are done. My wonder is if the Dodgers’ meeting being scheduled last is telling of anything? Is he collecting offers to take to the Dodgers so Yamamoto can maximize his contract and the Dodgers know the mark to avoid an overpay? Will he give teams a chance to match or beat whatever LA throws at him? I still consider LA the favorites with the NYY second favorite. Breslow will need to have a very strong presentation and an even stronger first offer to land him. I expect a very quick transition to Montgomery if Yamamoto signs elsewhere and the contract will be on the high side of estimates with the remaining teams bidding on him. Lugo is no longer an option signing with the Royals so Imanaga becomes the premium second choice followed by a trade to secure an arm. We will know how Breslow operates soon enough.
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Post by shagworthy on Dec 12, 2023 16:35:53 GMT -5
I would give him 10/350 and not loose sleep over it.
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