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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 10, 2023 11:36:27 GMT -5
Getting very nervous about the lack of Boston mentions.
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Post by nomar on Dec 10, 2023 11:46:51 GMT -5
Getting very nervous about the lack of Boston mentions. I think the odds are and have been against the Red Sox signing him to begin with, but still 1) it’s Heyman the Boras mouthpiece (2) the Yankees and Mets have been jockeying for social media attention the past month, and (3) the Red Sox have been Fort Knox. I think Boston would prefer to silently win the bidding war if they do win it anyway, so I wouldn’t expect to hear too much about their aggression relative to NY or LA
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 10, 2023 11:55:23 GMT -5
Getting very nervous about the lack of Boston mentions. “Perceived” Thats saying nothing but empty calories. Its also heyman.
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Dec 10, 2023 11:57:09 GMT -5
Getting very nervous about the lack of Boston mentions. Let’s be honest, Henry and co. are not going to shell out the money needed to bring him here.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 10, 2023 12:12:17 GMT -5
Getting very nervous about the lack of Boston mentions. The current front office has been extremely tightlipped so far. They seem to realize it’s better to not be linked to a free agent than be linked and lose him to someone else.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Dec 10, 2023 13:22:14 GMT -5
I get the Heyman hype and understand that we have been close to the vest in everything so far, but we can only speculate from our history of losing out on our targets. We need pitchers like him more than La.
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Post by redsox3in10 on Dec 10, 2023 13:36:42 GMT -5
If ever there was a time to spend, it's here. 25 years old. No draft pick penalty. I know recent history is against it, but further back shows they are willing to spend. Why not here?
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Post by brendan98 on Dec 10, 2023 13:47:09 GMT -5
If ever there was a time to spend, it's here. 25 years old. No draft pick penalty. I know recent history is against it, but further back shows they are willing to spend. Why not here? Ownership spent big money on the most important guy last year (Devers), no reason why they can’t this year as well, and I honestly believe that Yamamoto is the guy they identified early on to add. The problem is, the projected contract has quite possibly doubled, hopefully they are still in and are about to offer a lot more than they had originally planned. I am skeptical that this ownership group will be the one that makes the big overpay necessary to sign Yamamoto, but I guess they did (on a smaller scale) last year with Yoshida, so I am still hopeful.
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Post by patford on Dec 10, 2023 14:12:48 GMT -5
If ever there was a time to spend, it's here. 25 years old. No draft pick penalty. I know recent history is against it, but further back shows they are willing to spend. Why not here? Ownership spent big money on the most important guy last year (Devers), no reason why they can’t this year as well, and I honestly believe that Yamamoto is the guy they identified early on to add. The problem is, the projected contract has quite possibly doubled, hopefully they are still in and are about to offer a lot more than they had originally planned. I am skeptical that this ownership group will be the one that makes the big overpay necessary to sign Yamamoto, but I guess they did (on a smaller scale) last year with Yoshida, so I am still hopeful. As financial sanity and any attempt by MLB to plug loopholes has gone out the window there is no reason Henry can't adapt. It's not like he doesn't have the money.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 10, 2023 14:16:10 GMT -5
If ever there was a time to spend, it's here. 25 years old. No draft pick penalty. I know recent history is against it, but further back shows they are willing to spend. Why not here? Maybe Henry feels that they can win without signing these giant contracts. All of us keep thinking based on the past they have to do this sometime, but what if sometime doesn't come and they feel that they're on the right course by playing in the middle and not splurging. If they don't at least come up with a competitive bid we'll know something is up.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 10, 2023 14:20:43 GMT -5
There are rumors, or reports, or I don’t know what anymore that Matsui and Tanaka will attend the Yankees’ meeting with Yoshinobu Yamamoto in L.A. tomorrow. That is not accurate. They won’t be there. But Hal Steinbrenner and co. are in a solid position in this sweepstakes.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 10, 2023 16:46:25 GMT -5
If ever there was a time to spend, it's here. 25 years old. No draft pick penalty. I know recent history is against it, but further back shows they are willing to spend. Why not here? Ownership spent big money on the most important guy last year (Devers), no reason why they can’t this year as well, and I honestly believe that Yamamoto is the guy they identified early on to add. The problem is, the projected contract has quite possibly doubled, hopefully they are still in and are about to offer a lot more than they had originally planned. I am skeptical that this ownership group will be the one that makes the big overpay necessary to sign Yamamoto, but I guess they did (on a smaller scale) last year with Yoshida, so I am still hopeful. It is a beautiful built in excuse. One that this ownership would surely grab if its low enough to the ground. Plus I'm also not sure that this franchise is even attractive anymore. You get the coverage of Philly and NY but none of the star power around you and you're expected to have the sum equal the parts. Aside from Devers there's no one on this team even marketable. That might also be an issue in attracting other talent. Bryce Harper took a long term deal with Philly mostly because of the money but he didn't take an opt out because he wanted stars to come play with him. Kind of worked.
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Post by gerry on Dec 10, 2023 19:30:47 GMT -5
The question that keeps rattling around my addled brain after the Ohtani contract is this. If a Yoshi Yamamoto contract now actually costs, say, double (or nearly so) a Montgomery deal, wouldn’t the Sox be better off using that $$ to sign Montgomery + Lugo and call it a win?
On the other hand, might not $25-30M over 10 years be a relative steal for a 25 year old likely Ace?
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Post by gerry on Dec 10, 2023 19:48:05 GMT -5
Also. A team with a strong rotation (Sale, Yomamoto, Lugo included), strong Pen (Jansen, Martin, Houck, Whitlock included) and lineup (Devers, Story, Casas, Yoshida included) would make an attractive destination for most FA’s
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Post by cdj on Dec 10, 2023 20:09:48 GMT -5
I’ve come around on 10/300
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Post by bg23 on Dec 10, 2023 20:29:49 GMT -5
The question that keeps rattling around my addled brain after the Ohtani contract is this. If a Yoshi Yamamoto contract now actually costs, say, double (or nearly so) a Montgomery deal, wouldn’t the Sox be better off using that $$ to sign Montgomery + Lugo and call it a win? On the other hand, might not $25-30M over 10 years be a relative steal for a 25 year old likely Ace? The biggest problem I have with the Montgomery/Lugo option is the contention timeline. They’ll both likely be the best versions of themselves early in the contract when the team is less likely to be a true World Series contender. In the case of 2024, it’s hard to even say those two make the Red Sox a high probability playoff team given the division landscape. They will likely be tailing off towards the middle and end of the contract when (fingers crossed) the revamping of the farm system starts to pay off at the MLB level. So if the goal is a competitive team and potentially a wild card over the lives of those contracts, then sure it’s fine. And we’ve seen what teams have been able to do that have just snuck into the playoffs. But if they are truly trying to build towards a powerhouse team, I would want my big acquisition to be hitting their prime as Devers and Casas enter their prime, and the farm system starts to supplement the MLB roster in a significant way. To me, that would be the recipe for a division winner and World Series favorite within the next five years, even if the Yamamoto contract ends up being a bit of an overpay.
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Post by asm19 on Dec 10, 2023 20:54:23 GMT -5
I’ve come around on 10/300 If the team thinks he’s going to be awesome and they’re willing to risk lighting the money on fire, then by all means go ahead. But IIRC the most aggressive number on him to enter the off-season was $200 million. Has he really become $100 million more valuable of a player over the last 5-6 weeks?
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Post by cdj on Dec 10, 2023 20:56:30 GMT -5
I’ve come around on 10/300 If the team thinks he’s going to be awesome and they’re willing to risk lighting the money on fire, then by all means go ahead. But IIRC the most aggressive number on him to enter the off-season was $200 million. Has he really become $100 million more valuable of a player over the last 5-6 weeks? $200 mill would be the rational number but given what we’ve seen the last two years I’m starting to think that won’t come close
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 10, 2023 21:07:51 GMT -5
It’s interesting that he’s hosting meetings in LA rather than going to different cities. I get it from his perspective but is that not a signal that LA might have some degree of preference
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Post by asm19 on Dec 10, 2023 21:15:34 GMT -5
If the team thinks he’s going to be awesome and they’re willing to risk lighting the money on fire, then by all means go ahead. But IIRC the most aggressive number on him to enter the off-season was $200 million. Has he really become $100 million more valuable of a player over the last 5-6 weeks? $200 mill would be the rational number but given what we’ve seen the last two years I’m starting to think that won’t come close You are 100% correct on that - but there’s overpaying a guy just get him, and then there’s overpaying a guy by like the amount of Kevin Gausman’s whole deal lol I freely acknowledge I have been the rare killjoy when speaking of Yamamoto - but paying Gerrit Cole money for a guy who’s never played in MLB (and hasn’t pitched every 5th day before?) makes me antsy. But that might just be the price now for a guy with his potential.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 10, 2023 21:23:24 GMT -5
It’s interesting that he’s hosting meetings in LA rather than going to different cities. I get it from his perspective but is that not a signal that LA might have some degree of preference Eh it’s where his agency’s offices are, probably nothing to see there.
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 10, 2023 21:43:01 GMT -5
It’s interesting that he’s hosting meetings in LA rather than going to different cities. I get it from his perspective but is that not a signal that LA might have some degree of preference Eh it’s where his agency’s offices are, probably nothing to see there. Also, the most logical flight destinations from Tokyo are either San Francisco or Los Angeles
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 10, 2023 22:00:34 GMT -5
There are rumors, or reports, or I don’t know what anymore that Matsui and Tanaka will attend the Yankees’ meeting with Yoshinobu Yamamoto in L.A. tomorrow. That is not accurate. They won’t be there. But Hal Steinbrenner and co. are in a solid position in this sweepstakes. What about Irabu and Igawa? And what exactly does Mr. Martino mean by "in a solid position"? Would you like to mention a source or did that just sound like a cool thing to write? NY baseball writers crack me up the way they pander to the fans' delusions of grandeur, while Boston baseball writers feed the fans' perpetual anticipation of impending doom.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 10, 2023 23:15:51 GMT -5
There are rumors, or reports, or I don’t know what anymore that Matsui and Tanaka will attend the Yankees’ meeting with Yoshinobu Yamamoto in L.A. tomorrow. That is not accurate. They won’t be there. But Hal Steinbrenner and co. are in a solid position in this sweepstakes. What about Irabu and Igawa? And what exactly does Mr. Martino mean by "in a solid position"? Would you like to mention a source or did that just sound like a cool thing to write? NY baseball writers crack me up the way they pander to the fans' delusions of grandeur, while Boston baseball writers feed the fans' perpetual anticipation of impending doom. Irabu? You mean from up above? That would impress the hell out of me, lol.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Dec 10, 2023 23:31:36 GMT -5
What about Irabu and Igawa? And what exactly does Mr. Martino mean by "in a solid position"? Would you like to mention a source or did that just sound like a cool thing to write? NY baseball writers crack me up the way they pander to the fans' delusions of grandeur, while Boston baseball writers feed the fans' perpetual anticipation of impending doom. Irabu? You mean from up above? That would impress the hell out of me, lol. Well he was a MFY so "from down below". However he did drive Old George nuts so maybe purgatory
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