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Post by mtsquad on Dec 6, 2023 14:22:25 GMT -5
AWESOMEEEEEEEEE!!!! Bye Bye Woke, Lazy Dugie!!! I am so happy!! I don't care who we got for him I'm sorry but nothing wrong with woke. Just people that can't deal with it. Woke symbolizes the truth something this country supposed to be based on, but unfortunately it's not. We'd rather have governors changing history just so they don't have to feel guilty. You ignore history you learn nothing at all.
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Post by okin15 on Dec 6, 2023 14:26:04 GMT -5
Stanton is an empty shell at this point, worth the proverbial bag of balls. So you're saying the Sox could have gotten him for Verdugo then, hehe?
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Post by mtsquad on Dec 6, 2023 14:33:15 GMT -5
See? I hated Verdugo before it was cool to hate Verdugo. Now everyone can hop on the bandwagon !! I guess you never got the memo about "negativity"
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Post by semperfisox on Dec 6, 2023 14:33:20 GMT -5
AWESOMEEEEEEEEE!!!! Bye Bye Woke, Lazy Dugie!!! I am so happy!! I don't care who we got for him I'm sorry but nothing wrong with woke. Just people that can't deal with it. Woke symbolizes the truth something this country supposed to be based on, but unfortunately it's not. We'd rather have governors changing history just so they don't have to feel guilty. You ignore history you learn nothing at all. Cringe.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 6, 2023 14:34:41 GMT -5
Even if the Yanks are cool with giving Soto a mega deal extension ASAP they can't force him to sign it. The guy turned down $440M from the Nats a couple years ago, I have no reason to believe he takes an extension now. At least that's what I'm going to tell myself anyway to feel slightly better about Soto wearing pinstripes. Given existing contracts to Judge, Cole and Stanton, if the Yankees were to give Soto ~$40m/year, would they EVER have a shot at being below the luxury tax threshold again? Wouldn’t this have long-term implications on draft position and international $$$? Side note: I’m terrified of the Yankees having Soto; a TRUE superstar just reaching his prime. Is it too late for a mystery team to jump in??? It would be wonderful if the Red Sox swooped in and included Fitts in the package (even if the Padres don’t want him).
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 6, 2023 14:34:49 GMT -5
Dear god can we please not have a debate on the merits of wokeness on my Red Sox prospect board.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 6, 2023 14:58:32 GMT -5
Dear god can we please not have a debate on the merits of wokeness on my Red Sox prospect board. Yeah, this is not the place for such discussion. Please move on. Thanks.
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Post by soxin8 on Dec 6, 2023 15:53:16 GMT -5
Pretty varying reports on the prospects coming back; in Keith Law's writeup of the trade, he said: "...the Red Sox get three arms back – and none is likely to be more than a middle reliever." "...this is organizational pitching depth at best, and the main value to Boston comes from shedding Verdugo’s salary and his feeble bat against lefties." Edit: for context, Law didn't particularly like the trade for NY, either. He thinks it was pretty "whatever" all around.
Law's concern with Fitts is him giving up 22 homers in 152 innings and thinking that number could grow. He was harsher towards Verdugo saying he was a platoon player getting paid like a full time player and Law even considered him a nontender candidate. I get the impression there were few teams willing to give up anything of value for his last arb year and for a player they knew the Sox wanted to move. If Fitts comes anywhere close to Longenhagen's projection for him, it would be a huge win.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 6, 2023 15:54:23 GMT -5
Considering Verdugo a nontender candidate is absolutely absurd
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Post by shagworthy on Dec 6, 2023 17:11:04 GMT -5
Considering Verdugo a nontender candidate is absolutely absurd About 3x a year Law is good for a completely bs take on something. Doogie is not without warts, but he is a serviceable regular on a team (any team). Not enamored with the return, but all the signals were Verdugo was going to be traded so meh. It's curious that we got Dick Fitts in the deal (insert joke here). I bet he hates his parents for naming him Richard.
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Post by cdj on Dec 6, 2023 17:21:37 GMT -5
High school was tough for Mr. Fitts
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Post by badfishnbc on Dec 6, 2023 17:25:28 GMT -5
High school was tough for Mr. Fitts Really? Because you'd think his name would be considered the highest of compliments.
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Post by soxin8 on Dec 6, 2023 17:53:28 GMT -5
Considering Verdugo a nontender candidate is absolutely absurd I kind of think of Keith as the Simon Cowell of baseball analysts. Tough to impress but a good opinion to weigh with others. And when he does give a good scouting report, it means more. When reviewing the Sox draft, he thought Duffy and Early were good choices in the 4th and 5th rounds so I am hopeful he is right on those evaluations.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 6, 2023 18:09:42 GMT -5
High school was tough for Mr. Fitts Really? Because you'd think his name would be considered the highest of compliments. Kids can be very nasty, the word easily can change the narrative fast. If his youth was anything like mine, it was probably his own friends who were the most brutal. Kid has made it pretty far at the game of baseball, so he seems to have turned out fine
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Post by incandenza on Dec 6, 2023 18:15:56 GMT -5
I am bummed because I liked Verdugo and this makes the Yankees better and the Red Sox worse.
Now they've traded away a second baseman making $5 million who is projected to be better than any of the FA 2B options, and they've traded away a corner outfielder making $9.5 million who is projected to be better than any of the FA corner outfield options, and added some relief pitchers. This may be consistent with some broader plan that makes this all look very smart in the end. It's also consistent with the team over-correcting and over-focusing on pitching, and weakening the harder-to-fix positional player roster in the process.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 6, 2023 18:22:01 GMT -5
Considering Verdugo a nontender candidate is absolutely absurd It is. He was never getting non tendered even if the Sox just dumped his salary later on
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 6, 2023 19:23:18 GMT -5
for all we know this was the best they could hope for in a trade for Verdugo. He was obviously shopped, and maybe there weren't any takers. He was a goner, that much is easy to surmise.
Less concerned about the return. I mean, how much is an historically 2War (or so) a year player worth in his last season before FA ?
Bres-Low Rider is a real goer.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 6, 2023 19:26:53 GMT -5
why is him being non-tendered so controversial. He wasn't gonna be back in the clubhouse. If they didn't find a trade partner and weren't gonna go to arbitration with him, what else would they do ?
Maybe I don't understand the non-tender thing.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 6, 2023 19:35:43 GMT -5
Dear god can we please not have a debate on the merits of wokeness on my Red Sox prospect board. Woke up this morning, with a wine glass in my hand, whose wine ? what wine ? where the hell did I dine ? how do like me now ?
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Post by gerry on Dec 6, 2023 19:45:02 GMT -5
I am bummed because I liked Verdugo and this makes the Yankees better and the Red Sox worse.
Now they've traded away a second baseman making $5 million who is projected to be better than any of the FA 2B options, and they've traded away a corner outfielder making $9.5 million who is projected to be better than any of the FA corner outfield options, and added some relief pitchers. This may be consistent with some broader plan that makes this all look very smart in the end. It's also consistent with the team over-correcting and over-focusing on pitching, and weakening the harder-to-fix positional player roster in the process.
I agree that Verdugo defense will be hard to replace. As will his quirky bi-racial Tucson-developed personality. And facing walk up music without Mariachis will lessen the fun. We will see if his bat reaches the next level as a nyfy. That 9.8M will hopefully be used to improve the offense. Not so sure about Urias and his $5M. He certainly has the tools but would love to see the stability, good glove and solid bat of Merrifield there or even the young near-phenom Kim there. Both RF and 2B could provide big bats. But getting 4 genuine pitching prospects seems a good move; as well as c.15M to spend towards replacements 2B and OF. The bats of Turner and Duvall and Dugie MUST be replaced, and done so with an eye to providing defense for the rotation and pen the Sox are starting to develop. Finally, I do have hope in the offensive environment which Duran, Rafaella, Abreu, Story, Hamilton and Reyes can provide, but still absolutely need need big bats to complement them.
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Post by manfred on Dec 6, 2023 19:46:34 GMT -5
I am bummed because I liked Verdugo and this makes the Yankees better and the Red Sox worse.
Now they've traded away a second baseman making $5 million who is projected to be better than any of the FA 2B options, and they've traded away a corner outfielder making $9.5 million who is projected to be better than any of the FA corner outfield options, and added some relief pitchers. This may be consistent with some broader plan that makes this all look very smart in the end. It's also consistent with the team over-correcting and over-focusing on pitching, and weakening the harder-to-fix positional player roster in the process.
Well, upside is that is nearly $15 million, not inconsequential on the FA market. I’ll say to you what I’ve heard all these past years: still early.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 6, 2023 20:01:31 GMT -5
Dick Fitts in the opener
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 6, 2023 20:29:24 GMT -5
Everything needs to be taken as a collective, but if Verdugo's money isn't the difference in getting a player like Yamamoto, the prospects don't amount to much, and Verdugo is a plus player for a divisional rival and you're not trying to "reload" and actually compete then this year should be viewed negatively against Breslow. I would rather get nothing than help a division rival get more wins.
As of right now, I don't care about this trade one way or the other and don't feel like it'll bite them. It's a bit long off a way to say that there's no risk or no lose. He'll be motivated in a walk year.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Dec 6, 2023 22:41:40 GMT -5
Naw I was thinking Dick Fitts coming deeper in the game would be better. But just think if he bats: "We've got Dick Fitts in the hole, the batter hits a soft hanger into Center field, so now Dick Fitts enters the box, he's got to really think about that back door slider, heres the pitch, Dick Fitts comes out of his shoes as he tries end the game in one blow. Looks like the pitcher had the sticky stuff all over his hand."
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 7, 2023 2:03:45 GMT -5
Everything needs to be taken as a collective, but if Verdugo's money isn't the difference in getting a player like Yamamoto, the prospects don't amount to much, and Verdugo is a plus player for a divisional rival and you're not trying to "reload" and actually compete then this year should be viewed negatively against Breslow. I would rather get nothing than help a division rival get more wins. As of right now, I don't care about this trade one way or the other and don't feel like it'll bite them. It's a bit long off a way to say that there's no risk or no lose. He'll be motivated in a walk year. This is exactly what i was telling my buddy. You trade a guy with an edge whos going into a walk year which usually means that player will have the best year of his career. He was our 5th best player in WAR. We got nobody who will be top 15 on our team in WAR. I just dont get it. Were so desprite were all hanging our hat on a player because of his name. Dick Fitts. Yankees are laughing in our face. This is the first time in my life at 33 im literally embarrassed as a RS fan. We have no direction.
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