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Post by ephus on Dec 8, 2023 18:48:53 GMT -5
While it is concerning that his dedication was questioned by some in St. Louis (including his manager), Boston is a place where that absolutely will not play and he won't last long here if attitude is detected. That said, I'm willing to give the FO the benefit of the doubt. I will file this acquisition under: A. Adds a RH bat B. Adds desperately needed defensive talent C. Adds a guy who gets the barrel on the ball and should put some dents in the Monster. My hope is that being shipped out of St. Louis is a wake-up call and this kid works his tail off to regain the form that made hima fan favorite for the Cards in 2021. Maybe a change of scenery works, maybe a guy like Trevor Story who has battled injuries can get in his ear and make a difference. This won't be the last move they make, but I absolutely do not hate this and look forward to seeing how in plays out.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2023 18:49:49 GMT -5
Sign me up for the O'Neill and Duran bodybuilding show! Wasn’t his father like a bodybuilding champ or something? I remember reading that on lookout landing blog when he was traded by Seattle.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2023 18:50:33 GMT -5
Also. Once again its a move that was not reported anywhere until it happened.
They continue to run a tight ship wrt leaks at fenway
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 8, 2023 18:51:17 GMT -5
I like this, The Green Monster will love him Totally Agree
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Post by rico6 on Dec 8, 2023 18:52:17 GMT -5
While it is concerning that his dedication was questioned by some in St. Louis (including his manager), Boston is a place where that absolutely will not play and he won't last long here if attitude is detected. That said, I'm willing to give the FO the benefit of the doubt. I will file this acquisition under: A. Adds a RH bat B. Adds desperately needed defensive talent C. Adds a guy who gets the barrel on the ball and should put some dents in the Monster. My hope is that being shipped out of St. Louis is a wake-up call and this kid works his tail off to regain the form that made hima fan favorite for the Cards in 2021. Maybe a change of scenery works, maybe a guy like Trevor Story who has battled injuries can get in his ear and make a difference. This won't be the last move they make, but I absolutely do not hate this and look forward to seeing how in plays out. In addition, this is his FA year and I would think he would like to put up some numbers and keep everything else in check.
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Post by kwodes on Dec 8, 2023 18:53:33 GMT -5
SO the basic 2024 OF corps has been transformed to: Abreu (L) RF -CF -LF Duran (L) LF O'Neil (R) CF-LF-RF Rafaela (R) CF-RF-LF Yoshida (L) LF More balance, a chance for a health related rebound and it gives the kids a chance to prove themselves. Plus with Anthony perhaps knocking on the door there is only a one year commitment along with a extra $4mm to throw around. What's not to really like about this trade? don't forget about Refsnyder. Allows them to start rafaela in AAA if they want or trade him for a 2nd baseman or pitcher.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2023 19:04:28 GMT -5
Not sure what to make out if the deal other than he is alot like a younger version of Duvall. They both even had strong 2021 seasons.
I'm guessing his numbers regressed due to injuries and Marmol was questioning the extent of the injuries toward his hustle?
Is O'Neil supposed to play strictly against lefties or is the hope that he stays healthy enough to be an every day player but have viable options ready.
In a vacuum it's a good trade, a no doubter, trading 2 middle relievers for an OF with his 2021 ceiling. I just worry about the certainty aspect. Is he fully healthy? Have the injuries eroded his hitting skills the past 2 years? He certainly walked at a higher rate the last 2 partial seasons.
I just think the Sox need more of a quality/certainty than merely banking on a bounce back. Does this mean O'Neil replaces a steady RH hitter in the lineup or is he just in the Duvall role? And yes I get this could push Yoshida to DH or still leave LF for a certain Verdugo like offensive talent in LF like Gurriel or does Turner return to DH? Is O'Neill good enough to be a Fenway RF?
So many questions and unclarity at the moment which is fine for now.
But given a chance to rent O'Neill for Robertson and Santos i'd do that every time. Just not quite certain of the impact other than it's useful to have at worst a power RH bat bench that can defend adequately.
At least very little in valuable trade chips were expended.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 8, 2023 19:23:15 GMT -5
Not sure what to make out if the deal other than he is alot like a younger version of Duvall. They both even had strong 2021 seasons. I'm guessing his numbers regressed due to injuries and Marmol was questioning the extent of the injuries toward his hustle? Is O'Neil supposed to play strictly against lefties or is the hope that he stays healthy enough to be an every day player but have viable options ready. In a vacuum it's a good trade, a no doubter, trading 2 middle relievers for an OF with his 2021 ceiling. I just worry about the certainty aspect. Is he fully healthy? Have the injuries eroded his hitting skills the past 2 years? He certainly walked at a higher rate the last 2 partial seasons. I just think the Sox need more of a quality/certainty than merely banking on a bounce back. Does this mean O'Neil replaces a steady RH hitter in the lineup or is he just in the Duvall role? And yes I get this could push Yoshida to DH or still leave LF for a certain Verdugo like offensive talent in LF like Gurriel or does Turner return to DH? Is O'Neill good enough to be a Fenway RF? So many questions and unclarity at the moment which is fine for now. But given a chance to rent O'Neill for Robertson and Santos i'd do that every time. Just not quite certain of the impact other than it's useful to have at worst a power RH bat bench that can defend adequately. At least very little in valuable trade chips were expended. Agreed. Love this trade.
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Post by rico6 on Dec 8, 2023 19:27:42 GMT -5
Not sure what to make out if the deal other than he is alot like a younger version of Duvall. They both even had strong 2021 seasons. I'm guessing his numbers regressed due to injuries and Marmol was questioning the extent of the injuries toward his hustle? Is O'Neil supposed to play strictly against lefties or is the hope that he stays healthy enough to be an every day player but have viable options ready. In a vacuum it's a good trade, a no doubter, trading 2 middle relievers for an OF with his 2021 ceiling. I just worry about the certainty aspect. Is he fully healthy? Have the injuries eroded his hitting skills the past 2 years? He certainly walked at a higher rate the last 2 partial seasons. I just think the Sox need more of a quality/certainty than merely banking on a bounce back. Does this mean O'Neil replaces a steady RH hitter in the lineup or is he just in the Duvall role? And yes I get this could push Yoshida to DH or still leave LF for a certain Verdugo like offensive talent in LF like Gurriel or does Turner return to DH? Is O'Neill good enough to be a Fenway RF? So many questions and unclarity at the moment which is fine for now. But given a chance to rent O'Neill for Robertson and Santos i'd do that every time. Just not quite certain of the impact other than it's useful to have at worst a power RH bat bench that can defend adequately. At least very little in valuable trade chips were expended. I like the trade but I hope there's another significant RH bat acquired this offseason.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2023 19:35:42 GMT -5
Not sure what to make out if the deal other than he is alot like a younger version of Duvall. They both even had strong 2021 seasons. I'm guessing his numbers regressed due to injuries and Marmol was questioning the extent of the injuries toward his hustle? Is O'Neil supposed to play strictly against lefties or is the hope that he stays healthy enough to be an every day player but have viable options ready. In a vacuum it's a good trade, a no doubter, trading 2 middle relievers for an OF with his 2021 ceiling. I just worry about the certainty aspect. Is he fully healthy? Have the injuries eroded his hitting skills the past 2 years? He certainly walked at a higher rate the last 2 partial seasons. I just think the Sox need more of a quality/certainty than merely banking on a bounce back. Does this mean O'Neil replaces a steady RH hitter in the lineup or is he just in the Duvall role? And yes I get this could push Yoshida to DH or still leave LF for a certain Verdugo like offensive talent in LF like Gurriel or does Turner return to DH? Is O'Neill good enough to be a Fenway RF? So many questions and unclarity at the moment which is fine for now. But given a chance to rent O'Neill for Robertson and Santos i'd do that every time. Just not quite certain of the impact other than it's useful to have at worst a power RH bat bench that can defend adequately. At least very little in valuable trade chips were expended. I like the trade but I hope there's another significant RH bat acquired this offseason. I'd take a significant bat, lefty or righty, but other than Soto and Ohtani, what is there?
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Post by briam on Dec 8, 2023 19:39:48 GMT -5
Other than his K and whiff % his statcast is pretty much red. Seems like the perfect buy low guy and adds some much needed defense and athleticism to the lineup.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Dec 8, 2023 20:05:17 GMT -5
QO possibility with a good year
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Post by nomar on Dec 8, 2023 20:10:49 GMT -5
QO possibility with a good year QO or one of those situations where they want to stay because their life turned around in a year here. For the low cost in trade and salary, just not much to dislike here.
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Post by rico6 on Dec 8, 2023 20:13:57 GMT -5
I like the trade but I hope there's another significant RH bat acquired this offseason. I'd take a significant bat, lefty or righty, but other than Soto and Ohtani, what is there? I should rephrase significant. LOL. More to your point of certainty and not a bounce back candidate. A Justin Turner type or someone similar via trade. Turner would probably slot in nicely with DH, 1B and 3B. I'm hoping Cora wasn't serious about Dalbec.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2023 20:14:28 GMT -5
QO possibility with a good year My first thought was there's almost no chance of a QO but then I figured well actually if someone told me last offseason that bellinger would have been given a QO I'd have said you're crazy so stranger things have happened I suppose.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 8, 2023 20:16:13 GMT -5
QO possibility with a good year My first thought was there's almost no chance of a QO but then I figured well actually if someone told me last offseason that bellinger would have been given a QO I'd have said you're crazy so stranger things have happened I suppose. It’s unlikely to me mostly because I doubt he plays enough games to have a season warranting it, but if in some scenario he’s 75% of the player he was in 2021 it’s certainly a discussion.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 8, 2023 20:24:14 GMT -5
SO the basic 2024 OF corps has been transformed to: Abreu (L) RF -CF -LF Duran (L) LF O'Neill (R) CF-LF-RF Rafaela (R) CF-RF-LF Yoshida (L) LF More balance, a chance for a health related rebound and it gives the kids a chance to prove themselves. Plus with Anthony perhaps knocking on the door there is only a one year commitment along with a extra $4mm to throw around. What's not to really like about this trade? I’ll be pretty surprised if Rafaela plays a single inning in LF, with the possible exception of a late-game replacement in the Bronx or another difficult LF. With this move, I expect he’ll spend the first couple months in Worcester anyway. Also think Duran plays more CF than LF.
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Post by patford on Dec 8, 2023 20:24:20 GMT -5
Time to lock the Red Sox off-season thread. Looks like they just made their splash. You’ve been insufferable lately. Let the offseason actually happen before crying. To be fair 90% of the forum has been insufferable recently. I come here looking for information from people more informed than I am and it's becoming a needle in a haystack job.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 8, 2023 20:47:44 GMT -5
Not sure what to make out if the deal other than he is alot like a younger version of Duvall. They both even had strong 2021 seasons. I'm guessing his numbers regressed due to injuries and Marmol was questioning the extent of the injuries toward his hustle? Is O'Neil supposed to play strictly against lefties or is the hope that he stays healthy enough to be an every day player but have viable options ready. In a vacuum it's a good trade, a no doubter, trading 2 middle relievers for an OF with his 2021 ceiling. I just worry about the certainty aspect. Is he fully healthy? Have the injuries eroded his hitting skills the past 2 years? He certainly walked at a higher rate the last 2 partial seasons. I just think the Sox need more of a quality/certainty than merely banking on a bounce back. Does this mean O'Neil replaces a steady RH hitter in the lineup or is he just in the Duvall role? And yes I get this could push Yoshida to DH or still leave LF for a certain Verdugo like offensive talent in LF like Gurriel or does Turner return to DH? Is O'Neill good enough to be a Fenway RF? So many questions and unclarity at the moment which is fine for now. But given a chance to rent O'Neill for Robertson and Santos i'd do that every time. Just not quite certain of the impact other than it's useful to have at worst a power RH bat bench that can defend adequately. At least very little in valuable trade chips were expended. That breakout year was weird with .352 OBP and a .560 SLG but a 31.3% KRate. Can't tell if the next two years are meh because of the injuries, O'Neill regressed, the league adjusted or a (likely) combination of all three. On the positive side he has a .354 OBP/.439 SLG 120 wRC+ last year vs. lefties, even with the injuries/regression. Maybe they see if he can capture that 2021 fire in April and carry it into the season. If not, then he's a great platoon-only guy. He seems like a corner guy and has played most of his time in LF. Just need another LF who kills righties and we're good.
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Post by asm19 on Dec 8, 2023 20:54:55 GMT -5
O’Neill projects to make about 5.5 mil in his final year of arbitration. Is that kinda low for someone with his background (he received MVP votes in 2021)? He has about the same career WAR as Verdugo (both around 9 fWAR) and yet will make like half the cost via arb next year.
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Post by brendan98 on Dec 8, 2023 21:16:00 GMT -5
Even though O'Neill had the drop off from his breakout 2021 season, the last 2 years he's had a .788 OPS and a .793 OPS vs LHP. Could be a platoon OF if he doesn't bounce back vs RHP.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 8, 2023 21:23:15 GMT -5
So while in a vacuum I noted in my initial reaction that Verdugo has been better the last couple years, the more that I think about it… Given the team context I think I’d rather have O’Neill than Verdugo straight up, and I’d certainly rather have the collection of prospects the Sox got for Verdugo than the prospects given up today… so while there is still a long way to go in this offseason, that’s a pretty darn good start to me! Totally agree! 1) Isaiah Campbell for a non-tender 2) Fitts and the other 2 for Verdugo 3) O’Niell (1 yr - $5.5 mil) for 2 right handed relief AAA depth Those are three good trades that fit where the roster is at the current time! I love the moves so far!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 8, 2023 21:31:54 GMT -5
Its Isaiah Campbell not Isaac Campbell : )
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2023 21:33:32 GMT -5
QO possibility with a good year Yeah maybe a 1 in 4 chance
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 8, 2023 21:41:09 GMT -5
Buying low on a toolsy, oft-injured guy in hopes of a bounceback. Why does this feel so familiar.
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