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It is time to trade Rafael Devers?
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Post by iamnotluistiant on Feb 12, 2024 11:26:03 GMT -5
You may think this sounds crazy or stupid but...
I was listening to the latest episode of the podcast (#304) and Chris/Ian were discussing the fact that probably this is a 'bridge' year for the Sox--i.e. they are probably not enough talent on the team to compete for a playoff spot unless a lot of things break right. Ian may the point that the biggest shame is that it is essentially wasting a year of Devers prime.
If the team is not going to be competitive for the forseeable future should the Red Sox explore what type of prospect package they might be able to get especially if that might be a stud starting pitcher or two?
Personally, I hate this idea but from a baseball point of view, it might make a lot of sense.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 12, 2024 11:41:08 GMT -5
No, for one very simple reason. The key words in there is that you're wasting A YEAR of Devers' prime. Even if this is a complete bridge year, he will enter next season at 28, roughly the midpoint of what people peg as an athlete's "prime", and should be more than capable of providing value for a few years following that (at the very least on offense).
I think the better question is how long he lasts at third. My crazy/stupid idea that I had for a little bit this offseason was pursuing Matt Chapman and just biting the bullet with Casas as a long-term DH, which I talked myself out of.
But again, no I would not be looking to trade Devers unless someone with a time machine came back from 2027 with assurances that all of Mayer, Anthony, and Teel were stars or something.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 12, 2024 11:49:18 GMT -5
Yeah if he were only under contract for another year or two that'd be one thing. But this isn't a compete tear-it-down rebuild that's going to take years (he said for the third straight year or so). I get where your head is at but I don't think this is something they explore.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 12, 2024 12:14:29 GMT -5
Sure, let’s not get any really good players and trade away one of the few we have. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 12, 2024 12:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by awalkinthepark on Feb 12, 2024 12:27:19 GMT -5
The 10 year extension he signed 1 year ago hasn't even kicked in yet. I hope this org is not so capricious as to completely change course on a 10 year deal after only 1 season, especially when that 1 season went exactly as every projection system said it would go.
The Red Sox didn't screw up by signing Devers, they screwed up by not going one step further and pairing him with at least one other stud.
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Post by soxfan50 on Feb 12, 2024 12:41:06 GMT -5
After the Mookie Betts trade debacle, trading away Devers now would be a really bad idea.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 12, 2024 12:44:26 GMT -5
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Post by 0ap0 on Feb 12, 2024 12:46:05 GMT -5
It's not an amazing dollar/win contract, so we wouldn't get a huge return. The reason the FO offered it to him was because his value as a long-term player is worth more to the Sox as a franchise than just that.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 12, 2024 13:13:51 GMT -5
The time to trade him - if that's a thing - was two years ago when a team could've gotten two years of Devers at relatively low cost and the Sox could've gotten a 1/2 starter with the same or more control.
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Post by iamnotluistiant on Feb 12, 2024 13:26:33 GMT -5
Yeah, for all the reasons people have cited in the thread, it would be a disaster for Devers to be traded right now. Having said that, all those reasons could be reasons for trading him now--you would get more for him that you will in 2-3 years unless he defies the normal progression for power hitters in their early thirties, getting rid of his contract would get them even lower below the CBT in the coming years, you would open up third base for a prospect (not there really anyone that comes right to mind) and the ownership group is the same outfit that traded Mookie Betts, and quite frankly they don't give a fig about what us fans want.
I would add that if they trade Devers right now, I think there would be a riot on Yawkey Way and I would almost feel sorry for Sam Kennedy explaining the move. Also, I would hope that Breslow would resign on the spot in protest,
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 12, 2024 14:51:41 GMT -5
I'm for it. He's my least favorite good player in quite some time (and he didn't even insult a legend on the team plane or disavow the shape of the earth).
There's an excellent FA third baseman looking for a job, I hear?
Trade one, sign the other. Let's go.
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Post by wamderingdude on Feb 12, 2024 15:03:20 GMT -5
No for several reasons. 1) the return would be lighter than you would think and wouldn’t do all that much, he’s making a ton of money, you trade several good prospects for cheap guys with control, not expensive ones. 2). they are punting one year of his very early prime, not all of it. I know fans are sad but looking at the farm and roster there is no reason for me to believe they won’t be in contention in 2025. 3). they’re projected to win 80 ish games this year and aren’t all that far away from a playoff spot. Is it unlikely they get one? Yes, but they’re not that far away. If breslow/bailey/willard provide more value than we think and can get a couple of guys to take step forwards they’re gonna be a good team. Obviously a lot of ifs but there’s a path there. 4) as bad as PR and general feelings about the team is, this would completely destroy any goodwill left and ownership would never greenlight it.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Feb 12, 2024 15:04:05 GMT -5
The time to trade him - if that's a thing - was two years ago when a team could've gotten two years of Devers at relatively low cost and the Sox could've gotten a 1/2 starter with the same or more control. Yeah, even as somebody who is relatively low on Devers and thinks he's overrated (for now he's just a good player who gets talked about like he's a great one) it's hard to see how trading him now makes sense. It would be a PR disaster, it would eliminate any chance of competing this year, and his contract is big enough that you probably don't get all that much value for him anyway. You just have to hope he takes that step forward we've been waiting for.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 12, 2024 15:08:50 GMT -5
Satire? Sarcasm? You must be kidding!
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Feb 12, 2024 15:15:58 GMT -5
Satire? Sarcasm? You must be kidding! Hardly. The heart wants what the heart wants!
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Post by incandenza on Feb 12, 2024 15:28:04 GMT -5
I don't even buy the premise that having Devers on this year's team has less value because it's a "bridge year" (a term I absolutely loathe). They project to be basically a .500 team with 25%ish playoff odds. Without Devers they'd project as, what, a 77-win team with 15% playoff odds? They are close enough to the cusp of competitiveness that there aren't going to be many years where he makes more of a difference to their projected outcome than that. If anything, then, he's especially valuable to them this year.
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Post by bg23 on Feb 12, 2024 16:19:16 GMT -5
I can see both sides of the argument. As many have noted it, it would be a PR disaster, particularly for the meager return the Red Sox would likely get. Also, the Red Sox are low on impact MLB talent. For all his deficiencies, Devers is a very good player and has a lot of impact value. Basic logic says to keep those types of players.
In the other hand, I look at the current state of the team and contract as a whole. If the Red Sox don’t plan on truly competing beyond being at the periphery of the wild card race for the next few years while they wait for the “big three” to assert themselves and become impact major leaguers, you are unlikely to be maximizing the best years of the contract. Come 2027, he will be in his age 30 season with 7/211 left on his deal. Those last 7 years do not strike me as more likely than not to be positive value. If you don’t think you can utilize the value Devers provides prior to then in putting together a real contender, I get the idea of wanting to trade him.
Even as someone who is not in love with Devers as a core piece and was open to the idea of trading him prior to his extension, I don’t know how the Sox would even be able to navigate a potential trade. I also don’t love the idea of losing a good player for basically nothing (again), so I lean towards not trading him.
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Post by 0ap0 on Feb 13, 2024 8:45:03 GMT -5
Is there an achievement you unlock if you put together a team that is cost-controlled league-average players at every position? Otherwise no.
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Post by kwodes on Feb 13, 2024 8:50:28 GMT -5
I get the thought exercise, but I'd say a more likely (and better?) scenario would be to trade Casas for a kirby or someone like that and move Devers to 1st. I wouldn't do THAT either, but I'd think that would be more likely.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 13, 2024 8:57:34 GMT -5
No. Flat out no.
Yes, his future resides at DH, but he and at this point Casas are the the only real threats that put any fear into the opposing pitcher.
And Devers still has the better hit tool than Casas, so no, unless the plan is to make the Sox lineup devoid of any all star caliber talent.
And Devers is still young enough that when Mayer, Anthony, and Teel arrive he will still be a vital cog. I suspect that eventually it'll be Cespedes (or maybe Antonio Anderson) that comes up in about 4 to 5 years and replaces Devers at 3b and finally makes him the full time DH, and by then hopefully he will still be productive even if he's no longer a main cog.
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Feb 13, 2024 11:56:26 GMT -5
No. Flat out no. Yes, his future resides at DH, but he and at this point Casas are the the only real threats that put any fear into the opposing pitcher. And Devers still has the better hit tool than Casas, so no, unless the plan is to make the Sox lineup devoid of any all star caliber talent. And Devers is still young enough that when Mayer, Anthony, and Teel arrive he will still be a vital cog. I suspect that eventually it'll be Cespedes (or maybe Antonio Anderson) that comes up in about 4 to 5 years and replaces Devers at 3b and finally makes him the full time DH, and by then hopefully he will still be productive even if he's no longer a main cog. After seeing the nose dive of this franchise since trading Mookie, I agree 100 percent. If this was the plan, they would have had to sign Chapman and another power bat to make this make sense. That being said if next year Blaze takes a step forward or another 3B candidate emerges and Devers brings you in a haul I could be interested. Also who needs a third baseman/DH that would have major league ready prospect that we would want now?
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Post by soxin8 on Feb 15, 2024 1:51:43 GMT -5
For a laugh, I wanted to share someone's trade proposal from btv that I found amusing. It had the Cubs sending PCA, Wade Horton, and Matt Shaw to Boston for Duran, Devers, and 100 million dollars.
Although btv considered it a 50 million dollar overpay, Cubs fans rejected the proposal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 15, 2024 2:04:00 GMT -5
No. Flat out no. Yes, his future resides at DH, but he and at this point Casas are the the only real threats that put any fear into the opposing pitcher. And Devers still has the better hit tool than Casas, so no, unless the plan is to make the Sox lineup devoid of any all star caliber talent. And Devers is still young enough that when Mayer, Anthony, and Teel arrive he will still be a vital cog. I suspect that eventually it'll be Cespedes (or maybe Antonio Anderson) that comes up in about 4 to 5 years and replaces Devers at 3b and finally makes him the full time DH, and by then hopefully he will still be productive even if he's no longer a main cog. After seeing the nose dive of this franchise since trading Mookie, I agree 100 percent. If this was the plan, they would have had to sign Chapman and another power bat to make this make sense. That being said if next year Blaze takes a step forward or another 3B candidate emerges and Devers brings you in a haul I could be interested. Also who needs a third baseman/DH that would have major league ready prospect that we would want now? It would have to be a giant step forward for Blaze because from what I read he has trouble catching up to good heat and playing 3b is pretty much out of the question for him. I certainly wouldn't push Devers out of the way for him.
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Post by notstarboard on Feb 15, 2024 8:31:29 GMT -5
No. Flat out no. Yes, his future resides at DH, but he and at this point Casas are the the only real threats that put any fear into the opposing pitcher. And Devers still has the better hit tool than Casas, so no, unless the plan is to make the Sox lineup devoid of any all star caliber talent. And Devers is still young enough that when Mayer, Anthony, and Teel arrive he will still be a vital cog. I suspect that eventually it'll be Cespedes (or maybe Antonio Anderson) that comes up in about 4 to 5 years and replaces Devers at 3b and finally makes him the full time DH, and by then hopefully he will still be productive even if he's no longer a main cog. After seeing the nose dive of this franchise since trading Mookie, I agree 100 percent. If this was the plan, they would have had to sign Chapman and another power bat to make this make sense. That being said if next year Blaze takes a step forward or another 3B candidate emerges and Devers brings you in a haul I could be interested. Also who needs a third baseman/DH that would have major league ready prospect that we would want now? Very different situation - Mookie was traded to hasten the rebound from an inevitable nosedive. Trading Devers now would just kneecap the team for no good reason. The rebuild is nearly complete and he's younger than guys like Duran, Crawford, and Whitlock. This is his age 27 season.
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