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4/15-4/18 Red Sox vs. Guardians Series Thread
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 18, 2024 15:05:41 GMT -5
He did hit in Boston, despite plenty of adversity. He was absolutely on fire in May 2022 and hit something like 10 homers. His spring training was a trainwreck due to signing in late March and then getting food poisoning as he was moving his life to Boston, he still had the balky elbow, and he missed a couple months with a broken wrist from a HBP. And his bat still shook out to about average. An average bat with an elite glove at the most important position on the field is an All Star caliber player.
It has been well documented that Colorado players do just fine when they leave Coors. They have big home/road splits while playing in Colorado because the ball moves differently at altitude, but they aren't nearly as lopsided once they are playing elsewhere full time.
Story's elbow injury was known at the time he was signed, which is why he was available at a significant discount; elbow surgery at some point must have been at least considered a possibility, but likely wasn't viewed as inevitable or they likely would have done it right after a season. The HBP and shoulder injury were new, though, and could have happened to anyone. Story was very durable in Colorado; the elbow was really his only major injury, and even that didn't keep him off the field for long. Like he played 157 games in 2018 when you're saying his elbow injury apparently cropped up (first I've heard this too).
He did play a ton of games despite getting banged up like his thumb injury so I'll give them that. It's just that they knew without any work done to his elbow he couldn't be a SS. Interestingly, in his first season with the Red Sox his OPS was exactly the same as his road split, .737. It's just that they knew without any work done to his elbow he couldn't be a SS. Source?
Interestingly, in his first season with the Red Sox his OPS was exactly the same as his road split, .737. His bat had taken a step back in 2021 as well. This all coincides with his elbow injury, which makes complete sense.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 18, 2024 15:07:57 GMT -5
It would have been nice to use … anyone … but our lowest leverage reliever in the highest leverage moment of the game eh?
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Post by blizzards39 on Apr 18, 2024 15:08:00 GMT -5
Just tuned in. Pablo and Hamilton. Hahahahhaha. It cant be true again
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Post by basbal24 on Apr 18, 2024 15:12:28 GMT -5
would u claim kevin smith Just DFA from the Yankees or Sogard
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 18, 2024 15:15:02 GMT -5
Joe Castig just picks a location at random when calling out the pitches lol
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 18, 2024 15:15:11 GMT -5
It would have been nice to use … anyone … but our lowest leverage reliever in the highest leverage moment of the game eh? Going to Jacques with a rested BP after Houck's CG is some decision. Could be a whole different ball game if they'd gone to Slaten, Martin and maybe Jansen instead but who knows.
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Post by cdj on Apr 18, 2024 15:16:14 GMT -5
Another game where average defense wins
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 18, 2024 15:17:05 GMT -5
Well, the rally to get within 1 was just a tease.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 18, 2024 15:18:55 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing in a LHP groundball pitcher against a LHH in a 1-out 1st and 3rd situation. He got the ground ball, with a .100 xBA I might add, but it just dribbled through. Then he got another ground ball and they couldn't turn 2.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 18, 2024 15:19:41 GMT -5
Obviously losing Story killed what chances they had of having a plus defense this year but I don't get why they didn't go get a smooth fielding bench MI. Looking further ahead, it's hard to imagine the defense being plus with Devers/Casas on the corners and Grissom playing 2nd. The OF should be pretty good as long as Rafaela is playing CF but they need to figure IF defense out. I like Mayer as a prospect as much as any one could but he also doesn't sound like the type of SS who is going to shore up the IF defense. It's a concern both short and long term to me.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 18, 2024 15:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 18, 2024 15:21:38 GMT -5
If Trevor Story doesn’t break his shoulder the team has how many more wins right now? 4?
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 18, 2024 15:26:37 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing in a LHP groundball pitcher against a LHH in a 1-out 1st and 3rd situation. He got the ground ball, with a .100 xBA I might add, but it just dribbled through. Then he got another ground ball and they couldn't turn 2. Thats fair enough, just watching on game day and see a single. Still think I’d rather bring in Slaten or Martin then but I get it.
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Post by nomar on Apr 18, 2024 15:26:54 GMT -5
If Trevor Story doesn’t break his shoulder the team has how many more wins right now? 4? Forget Trevor Story. If they played almost any other in org option than David Hamilton at SS, they probably have 2-4 more wins.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 18, 2024 15:27:03 GMT -5
Just tuned in. Pablo and Hamilton. Hahahahhaha. It cant be true again If stupidity deserves to be punished ... that lineup got it done.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 18, 2024 15:27:47 GMT -5
The good news is the Red Sox are back on the road.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 18, 2024 15:28:34 GMT -5
Obviously losing Story killed what chances they had of having a plus defense this year but I don't get why they didn't go get a smooth fielding bench MI. Looking further ahead, it's hard to imagine the defense being plus with Devers/Casas on the corners and Grissom playing 2nd. The OF should be pretty good as long as Rafaela is playing CF but they need to figure IF defense out. I like Mayer as a prospect as much as any one could but he also doesn't sound like the type of SS who is going to shore up the IF defense. It's a concern both short and long term to me. SoxProspects has him as a "potential plus defender at short". MLB Pipeline has him as a 55, Fangraphs has him as a 50. Sounds like he'll be solid or better there. Casas graded out well for his defense in the minors, so I wouldn't be surprised if he improves; his mistakes have seemed to be more mental to me so far, like going for a ball the second baseman had covered and leaving 1B uncovered, and that should improve with experience. Everything I've read about Grissom says he is a good bet to be an average 2B too. And, of course, Story isn't dead; he's on the team for at least one more year, and likely three more, and he should be a plus SS or 2B for most of that time. A Mayer/Story combo up the middle should actually be quite good.
I share your concerns in the short term, though. I find myself just dreaming on a healthy Adalberto Mondesi signing and being a plus SS with like a 75 wRC+...
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Post by pappyman99 on Apr 18, 2024 15:32:44 GMT -5
We have to have Rafaela at SS at this point
Valdez/Hamilton/Reyes have been awful defensively and they suck at the plate too Yoshida sucks on both sides as well but is unfortunately getting $18 million per for 3 more years after this
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 18, 2024 15:33:27 GMT -5
Obviously losing Story killed what chances they had of having a plus defense this year but I don't get why they didn't go get a smooth fielding bench MI. Looking further ahead, it's hard to imagine the defense being plus with Devers/Casas on the corners and Grissom playing 2nd. The OF should be pretty good as long as Rafaela is playing CF but they need to figure IF defense out. I like Mayer as a prospect as much as any one could but he also doesn't sound like the type of SS who is going to shore up the IF defense. It's a concern both short and long term to me. SoxProspects has him as a "potential plus defender at short". MLB Pipeline has him as a 55, Fangraphs has him as a 50. Sounds like he'll be solid or better there. Casas graded out well for his defense in the minors, so I wouldn't be surprised if he improves; his mistakes have seemed to be more mental to me so far, like going for a ball the second baseman had covered and leaving 1B uncovered, and that should improve with experience. Everything I've read about Grissom says he is a good bet to be an average 2B too. And, of course, Story isn't dead; he's on the team for at least one more year, and likely three more, and he should be a plus SS or 2B for most of that time. A Mayer/Story combo up the middle should actually be quite good.
I share your concerns in the short term, though. I find myself just dreaming on a healthy Adalberto Mondesi signing and being a plus SS with like a 75 wRC+...
I’d really love some kind of update on Mondesi. I feel like he’d be signed by someone at this point if he was healthy.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 18, 2024 15:33:31 GMT -5
Obviously losing Story killed what chances they had of having a plus defense this year but I don't get why they didn't go get a smooth fielding bench MI. Looking further ahead, it's hard to imagine the defense being plus with Devers/Casas on the corners and Grissom playing 2nd. The OF should be pretty good as long as Rafaela is playing CF but they need to figure IF defense out. I like Mayer as a prospect as much as any one could but he also doesn't sound like the type of SS who is going to shore up the IF defense. It's a concern both short and long term to me. SoxProspects has him as a "potential plus defender at short". MLB Pipeline has him as a 55, Fangraphs has him as a 50. Sounds like he'll be solid or better there. Casas graded out well for his defense in the minors, so I wouldn't be surprised if he improves; his mistakes have seemed to be more mental to me so far, like going for a ball the second baseman had covered and leaving 1B uncovered, and that should improve with experience. Everything I've read about Grissom says he is a good bet to be an average 2B too. And, of course, Story isn't dead; he's on the team for at least one more year, and likely three more, and he should be a plus SS or 2B for most of that time. A Mayer/Story combo up the middle should actually be quite good.
I share your concerns in the short term, though. I find myself just dreaming on a healthy Adalberto Mondesi signing and being a plus SS with like a 75 wRC+...
True I suppose it depends on where you read and who you believe/trust with their evaluations, I've seen Mayer anywhere from oh yea he's going to have to move off SS to he will be above average so let's hope the folks more bullish on his defense are the right ones. Probably not the right thread to bring up the can of worms in terms of Mayer and the future defense of the team so my apologies on that to everyone. In the short term though I don't know how long they can honestly keep running out Hamilton, I don't know who in the org would be a better bet feels like there has to be someone if somehow not it's to the point just pick some random DFA MI off the scrap heap who can at least field or throw some lotto tickets at ChiSox for DeJong. Livan Soto was DFA'd by the Orioles on Tuesday, throw a claim in on him, FG gives him a 50 fielding, that has to be better than Hamilton. He's also just 23 and has two options remaining, grab him and if they get a better option down the road send him to the minors. Move Story to the 60 day IL to pick him up. Feels like it has to be a better option, maybe they catch some lightning in a bottle.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 18, 2024 15:34:18 GMT -5
So basically this game was pretty much decided on Hamilton’s error. What sort of outlawed ritual do I have to do to ensure he doesn’t get on the plane to Pittsburgh? EDIT: you have really be some level of suck if I’m advocating for your demotion over Dalbec at this point.
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Post by nomar on Apr 18, 2024 15:36:28 GMT -5
Obviously losing Story killed what chances they had of having a plus defense this year but I don't get why they didn't go get a smooth fielding bench MI. Looking further ahead, it's hard to imagine the defense being plus with Devers/Casas on the corners and Grissom playing 2nd. The OF should be pretty good as long as Rafaela is playing CF but they need to figure IF defense out. I like Mayer as a prospect as much as any one could but he also doesn't sound like the type of SS who is going to shore up the IF defense. It's a concern both short and long term to me. SoxProspects has him as a "potential plus defender at short". MLB Pipeline has him as a 55, Fangraphs has him as a 50. Sounds like he'll be solid or better there. Casas graded out well for his defense in the minors, so I wouldn't be surprised if he improves; his mistakes have seemed to be more mental to me so far, like going for a ball the second baseman had covered and leaving 1B uncovered, and that should improve with experience. Everything I've read about Grissom says he is a good bet to be an average 2B too. And, of course, Story isn't dead; he's on the team for at least one more year, and likely three more, and he should be a plus SS or 2B for most of that time. A Mayer/Story combo up the middle should actually be quite good. I share your concerns in the short term, though. I find myself just dreaming on a healthy Adalberto Mondesi signing and being a plus SS with like a 75 wRC+...
A healthy Adalberto Mondesi is like asking for a pet unicorn
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Apr 18, 2024 15:36:32 GMT -5
would u claim kevin smith Just DFA from the Yankees or Sogard We have enough .180 hitters. Give me Sogard. At least he’s new.
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Apr 18, 2024 15:38:12 GMT -5
It would have been nice to use … anyone … but our lowest leverage reliever in the highest leverage moment of the game eh? Going to Jacques with a rested BP after Houck's CG is some decision. Could be a whole different ball game if they'd gone to Slaten, Martin and maybe Jansen instead but who knows. Sounds like a typical Cora decision.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 18, 2024 15:39:40 GMT -5
Throwing velocity should drop when you shift from 2B to SS, and he was at least an average SS in 2021 despite the injured elbow. DRS (+9) and OAA (-7) disagree on how well he made out, but at the very least we can say that he could handle SS that season.
The article is pure speculation... "Perhaps the offseason will allow Story to rest his weary elbow, yet some teams may already view him as a second baseman." This says nothing about his ability to handle SS. Their thesis is basically "His elbow injury made him worse at SS", which is obvious; the relevant bit is whether it made him enough worse to not be able to handle the position, and the answer to that is pretty clearly no. One might argue that 2B would be a smarter decision for injury risk reasons, or because a diminished arm might make him a better fit there, but that isn't the argument at hand.
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