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5/14-5/16 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 14, 2013 18:49:15 GMT -5
But Gomes gives good clubhouse unity guy character. And he has a great beard and tatoos and a reputation for crushing lefties, even though to date he hasn't for the Sox - that's worth playing time, right? ADDED: That was sarcasm. Hated the signing then, hate it now. For the record I was all for Hunter on a 1 year overpay. "To date" is all of 41 PAs for Gomes against lefties, which have been characterized by a .250 ISO and a .200 BABIP. He's got an .891 OPS and a .340 BABIP in 1141 career PAs versus lefties. Meanwhile, Hunter is being propped up by a .387 BABIP (against a career .309), has a career-worst walk-rate, career-worst ISO, and is eight zillion years old. But don't let any of that get in the way of your admitted confirmation bias.
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Post by stevedillard on May 14, 2013 18:49:46 GMT -5
But Gomes gives good clubhouse unity guy character. And he has a great beard and tatoos and a reputation for crushing lefties, even though to date he hasn't for the Sox - that's worth playing time, right? ADDED: That was sarcasm. Hated the signing then, hate it now. For the record I was all for Hunter on a 1 year overpay. On the Monday morning quarterbacking Not sure I will be proven right, but I did always think Vernon in Boston would be big.
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Post by Guidas on May 14, 2013 18:57:05 GMT -5
I would've done the Wells deal if LAA ate same amount of $$.
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Post by beasleyrockah on May 14, 2013 19:23:02 GMT -5
Just for the record, Torii Hunter GOT 2 years and $26 million so...
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Post by Guidas on May 14, 2013 20:06:12 GMT -5
So Napoli doesn't seem to care much about the strike zone anymore.
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Post by bluechip on May 14, 2013 20:33:40 GMT -5
So Napoli doesn't seem to care much about the strike zone anymore. Pretty much. He is swinging at 27.1% of pitches outside the zone, compared to 21.4% in 2012, 21.1% in 2011, and 23% for his career. He is also swinging at more pitches in the zone.
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Post by elguapo on May 14, 2013 21:20:11 GMT -5
It's worth noting ...This is still a VERY SMALL sample size Hmmm...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 14, 2013 21:21:48 GMT -5
Hey, speaking of Gomes, what the hell is he doing facing Fernando Rodney in the 9th? Is Mike Carp trapped under something heavy?
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Post by James Dunne on May 14, 2013 21:21:52 GMT -5
Well I was also for trading any 2 prospects for JUpton, too. But yeah on Hinter. I just knew there'd be the inevitable "what did you want?" questions Unfortunately, the Red Sox were on Upton's no trade list. As the Mariners debacle showed, his list wasn't a "give me more money if you trade me to one of these teams" list, but an actual list of teams he didn't want to play for. Also, I'm not sure the Red Sox minor leaguers are gritty enough for whoever is making the decisions in Phoenix these days.
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Post by bluechip on May 14, 2013 21:25:53 GMT -5
Well I was also for trading any 2 prospects for JUpton, too. But yeah on Hinter. I just knew there'd be the inevitable "what did you want?" questions Unfortunately, the Red Sox were on Upton's no trade list. As the Mariners debacle showed, his list wasn't a "give me more money if you trade me to one of these teams" list, but an actual list of teams he didn't want to play for. Also, I'm not sure the Red Sox minor leaguers are gritty enough for whoever is making the decisions in Phoenix these days. Well if they signed BJ, then he might have waived the NTC, though I would not want BJ's contact on the books at the moment.
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Post by bluechip on May 14, 2013 21:27:02 GMT -5
What's the deal with the guy in cheap plastic armour at the Trop? Did they change their mascot to a gladiator or something?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 14, 2013 21:27:49 GMT -5
Seriously, John Farrell, do not let a righty who can't hit righties and a righty who can't hit in general come to the plate in the ninth against Fernando Rodney when you have pinch-hitting options. And you're saving Nava to pinch-hit for the guy batting FOURTH in the inning, who by the way we're never going to get to? Terrible.
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Post by Guidas on May 14, 2013 21:40:15 GMT -5
Man, I am always the guy who doesn't believe it's over til the very last pitch but I feel like they're going to get swept here.
On the positive side, I didn'tbthink they were going to get swept against Texas even after we were down 0-2, so that shows how good my sweep sonar is.
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Post by grandsalami on May 14, 2013 22:21:09 GMT -5
Seriously, John Farrell, do not let a righty who can't hit righties and a righty who can't hit in general come to the plate in the ninth against Fernando Rodney when you have pinch-hitting options. And you're saving Nava to pinch-hit for the guy batting FOURTH in the inning, who by the way we're never going to get to? Terrible. does it really matter at this point? This team cant score or hit worth a shit.
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Post by godot on May 14, 2013 22:52:32 GMT -5
Are the Sox now wandering in that 'let's see how we lose this one' zone?. Waiting to lose.
When will the Gomes's experience end? Farrell is being patient as they targeted him as some one who could hit lefties and probably do well at Fenway. How long can Farrell afford to wait.
One poster suggested that Napoli is swinging more. I wonder if he is taking the clean up hitter role to seriously? He and Ortiz are the only power sources right now. Has he ever been in the role of needing to supply most of the power.
Can't see them making much a mover as long as Ellsbury continues to regress, and Middlebrooks does not progress. This would also take some of the pressure off Napoli.
One bright note. They way they are playing now, they do not need to worry about having a closer.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2013 22:56:13 GMT -5
Seriously, John Farrell, do not let a righty who can't hit righties and a righty who can't hit in general come to the plate in the ninth against Fernando Rodney when you have pinch-hitting options. And you're saving Nava to pinch-hit for the guy batting FOURTH in the inning, who by the way we're never going to get to? Terrible. does it really matter at this point? This team cant score or hit worth a shit. Emotionally, I get what you mean, but as much as the players on the team are playing terribly, it would at least be nice if the manager doesn't manage horribly. It's good practice for if they ever play a meaningful game late in the season. And not only can this team not hit or score right now, they're doing a pretty lousy job of pitching, too. The bullpen is horrible, and I have little to no faith in Lackey and Doubront. I really thought this team was going to stink, but after that first month, I had some hope this could be an 85 plus win team. Now I'm seeing a .500ish team. This is definitely the "bridge" year team that Theo had referred to earlier. These guys are holding the fort until the farm starts graduating the prospects. That's when the Sox true window of opportunity will hopefully open up.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 14, 2013 23:09:34 GMT -5
Seriously, John Farrell, do not let a righty who can't hit righties and a righty who can't hit in general come to the plate in the ninth against Fernando Rodney when you have pinch-hitting options. And you're saving Nava to pinch-hit for the guy batting FOURTH in the inning, who by the way we're never going to get to? Terrible. does it really matter at this point? This team cant score or hit worth a shit. All the more reason for the manager to not throw away ABs like that.
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Post by James Dunne on May 15, 2013 6:53:27 GMT -5
Going back to last August may be a small sample, or it may mean he's not all that good. What are we talking about, ten starts? He's been unlucky on balls in play so far this year - his strikeout rates have been good, and he's allowed just one home run, and his ground ball rates are up. There are some factors that show positives, some that show negatives. In his only bad start, he gave up 10 singles to a good hitting team. That screams fluke to me. He's been a little unlucky maybe, but not as unlucky as a cursory look at his BABIP might suggest. He's got a 27% LD rate, and while a high GB rate (50%) is good in general, ground balls have a higher BABIP than fly balls; using an xBABIP calculator his batted ball data suggests a ?.360 BABIP. I agree with you, but I think you'll also agree that the difference between a .360 BABIP and a .420 one is significant - about one out is turned into a hit of every 17 balls in play. Again, I'm not trying to argue that he's been good this year and that there aren't warning signs, just that he hasn't been as bad as he appears on the surface. Take a half dozen hits and turn them into outs, and he shaves a run off of his ERA, .3 off his WHIP, and Doubront's numbers look pretty close to how they did last year. He sits somewhere in that nether-zone of pitchers who are below average, but not so bad that improvements are freely available.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 15, 2013 7:38:15 GMT -5
I thought lavarnway had some good AB. A little luck and he would have had 2 doubles. He looked much better than last year. Wish he were playing today.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 15, 2013 9:25:12 GMT -5
I thought lavarnway had some good AB. A little luck and he would have had 2 doubles. He looked much better than last year. Wish he were playing today. I would agree with this. Lavarnway looked good. I also thought that Middlebrooks looked better too. He was not swinging as wildly and not swinging with as much effort. The last two times up he saw 21 pitches and fouled off a lot with a smoother, easier swing. A few days ago a 90 mph fastball got by him. Last night he was fouling them off at 98 mph. I think that he is on his way back. BTW, a proverbial friend of a friend who has some kind of "connection" with Boston sports teams reported that Middlebrooks and Jenny Dell are linked currently. If so, more proof that chicks dig the LB.
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Post by ibsmith85 on May 15, 2013 9:41:20 GMT -5
I thought lavarnway had some good AB. A little luck and he would have had 2 doubles. He looked much better than last year. Wish he were playing today. I would agree with this. Lavarnway looked good. I also thought that Middlebrooks looked better too. He was not swinging as wildly and not swinging with as much effort. The last two times up he saw 21 pitches and fouled off a lot with a smoother, easier swing. A few days ago a 90 mph fastball got by him. Last night he was fouling them off at 98 mph. I think that he is on his way back. BTW, a proverbial friend of a friend who has some kind of "connection" with Boston sports teams reported that Middlebrooks and Jenny Dell are linked currently. If so, more proof that chicks dig the LB. FWIW, this is WMB's wife.....(not to say he is faithful, just sayin'. Sure wouldn't mind seeing her and Jenny fight about it, in jello)
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Post by bluechip on May 15, 2013 12:31:30 GMT -5
He also is sporting a 34.7 % line drive percentage. Way up from his career 23.0%. If he keeps that up, he will have a very good BABIP, though his BABIP and BA will still drop.
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Post by James Dunne on May 15, 2013 13:03:37 GMT -5
Given that the highest LD% in baseball last year was 27.2%, I don't like his chances to keep that up.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 15, 2013 14:09:49 GMT -5
I would agree with this. Lavarnway looked good. I also thought that Middlebrooks looked better too. He was not swinging as wildly and not swinging with as much effort. The last two times up he saw 21 pitches and fouled off a lot with a smoother, easier swing. A few days ago a 90 mph fastball got by him. Last night he was fouling them off at 98 mph. I think that he is on his way back. BTW, a proverbial friend of a friend who has some kind of "connection" with Boston sports teams reported that Middlebrooks and Jenny Dell are linked currently. If so, more proof that chicks dig the LB. FWIW, this is WMB's wife.....(not to say he is faithful, just sayin'. Sure wouldn't mind seeing her and Jenny fight about it, in jello) Ooops! Then I must have the story wrong......!
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Post by sarasoxer on May 15, 2013 17:18:41 GMT -5
Just wanted to add to the above that I have no knowledge of what I too cavalierly mentioned that came to me 4th hand, had no idea of WMB's status and really was wrong to have posted anything relating to personal matters period...particularly that they might be terribly inaccurate and harmful. I apologize to the Board as well.
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