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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 6, 2014 6:26:06 GMT -5
Thirded.
If this keeps up, 3 quarters of Portland"s infield is in the bucket by July 1.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 6, 2014 10:27:10 GMT -5
Could this kid in theory handle 3b in a pinch? I can't wait till he makes it I see big things. I see a kid with not one position but someone if WMB goes on 15day dl bang Betts plays 3b for 3 weeks. What a major weapon to have. I hope we don't entertain trading him.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Apr 6, 2014 10:47:21 GMT -5
Here's a question sbout the prospect ratings as it applies to Betts. At what point would you rise his ceiling projection from 6 to 7? I know that he has one outstanding season plus the extremely SSS so fat this year but at some point his surge in performance which has opened eyes has to put him in the same category as players like Owens, Cecchini and Swihart.
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Post by theburn on Apr 6, 2014 10:58:54 GMT -5
One of either Cecchini or Betts, or both, should be converted to the OF. The Sox are very short of really good OF prospects, and what they have on the team now will be aging fast,or gone, in another year or two, except for Bradley. I guess a lot depends on Middlebrooks. If he can hold the 3B position then Cecchini either is the 1B after Napoli, or an OF. Betts almost surely would have to an OF. I am not in favor of trading either of these players unless the Sox get an elite OF in the deal, one they can control for several years.(cough) Carlos Gonzalez (cough)
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 6, 2014 11:31:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't be moving either of Betts or Cechinni to the OF any time soon. If things continue to go well for both I would consider giving Cechinni some PT in left in August just to facilitate more call up flexibility and increase overall depth before the September call ups.
Personally, I categorize Marrero and Coyle at about the same value. Marrerro plays a more premium position and probably has a mlb role just from his defensive potential and his bat may improve but he appears likely to me to never be more than a 2nd division team starter at best. Coyle is decent defensively and at least has the potential to have a solid bat. Both are about the same age and Coyle has shown flashes of top performance levels. Coyle may be just a freak 2nd baseman with a low BA but solid defense and a 20 HR bat. Developmentally though, I think Coyle has slightly more upside. Just my opinion.
We should not give up on Coyle. He may learn over time to take the ball to RF better, possibly cut down on his swing some to reduce strikeouts deep in the count and still have decent HR pop. We don't really know what he could do also if he could stay healthy all year. They moved him to Greenville at an accelerated pace early on. He did draw some walks for a while at first.
Is he mainly just HR happy? At this point in his career, he must be getting pushed to plug some holes in his swing by taking the ball to RF some and cut down on his swing, when necessary, to strike out less. He could have particular potential in Fenway with that wall in LF.
Coyles not at Bett's level but still has a good chance to me.
The larger point though is in comparing normal, solid prospects like Marrerro and Coyle to Betts. Look how quickly Betts has improved and adjusted to minor league ball, as compared to so many other prospects. The trend lines are hugely in Bett's favor and I would say indicative of big things to come. If Betts were a stock he would be trading at $800 per share. He appears improving at an exceptional pace, which indicates he has the goods to be a star player someday in my book.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 7, 2014 8:09:03 GMT -5
It's great to see Mookie get off to a great start after last season. It's very important as last year came out of no where, for the most part, and a hot start gives a lot of credence to it. It should drive up his value around baseball, which is big for the Red Sox, whether we care to trade him or not. It's still early though so we need to keep things in check.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 7, 2014 12:32:33 GMT -5
It's great to see Mookie get off to a great start after last season. It's very important as last year came out of no where, for the most part, and a hot start gives a lot of credence to it. It should drive up his value around baseball, which is big for the Red Sox, whether we care to trade him or not. It's still early though so we need to keep things in check. I'm hoping the Sox keep him and simply shift him to another position such as LF. This guy could very well be an excellent leadoff hitter for the Red Sox down the road. His skill set reminds me of a unique player from the 1980s named Tony Phillips who played mainly for Oakland and Detroit. This guy was primarily a 2b, but played all over the diamond as he played 3b and the corner OF spots. He had a great knowledge of the strike zone, would draw a bunch of walks, and he had some power as he could hit 15 - 20 homers per year, and he had some speed, too. I think Mookie seems to have this unique skill set and I very much hope it happens with the Red Sox. I know Chad Finn of the Globe seems to be daydreaming about a potential deal including Mookie and WMB plus others to Miami for Stanton, but I hope down the road the Sox save their money to sign Stanton to a long-term free agent deal (instead of a trade assuming that he wants to see what he can get on the open market) so that he's able to drive in guys like Mookie, Bradley, and Cecchini.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 13, 2014 18:53:46 GMT -5
With Petey likely headed for the do, betts should be called up.
He is by far the best alternative at 2b, and the risk is worth the potential reward.
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Post by stevedillard on Apr 13, 2014 19:35:46 GMT -5
Not even the best 2b prospect for the Sox.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 13, 2014 19:45:03 GMT -5
Not even the best 2b prospect for the Sox. That's not even funny... "The outrageous emergence of Betts from obscurity to elite prospect status is reaching runaway train status. It’s too early in 2014 to draw many conclusions, but it’s also virtually impossible to ignore what he’s doing. With his 2-for-4 performance on Saturday for Double-A Portland that included a double, a sac fly and his third steal of the season, he now has a laughable line of .469/.514/.750. “Mookie Betts . . . isn’t human,” concluded Salem broadcaster Evan Lepler." Umm who else do we have that is not human?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 13, 2014 19:46:08 GMT -5
Not even the best 2b prospect for the Sox. Right now he is. You think Rijo is?
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Post by stevedillard on Apr 13, 2014 19:47:11 GMT -5
Not even the best 2b prospect for the Sox. Right now he is. You think Rijo is? A bit tongue in cheek but I do like Rijo.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 13, 2014 19:58:26 GMT -5
Right now he is. You think Rijo is? A bit tongue in cheek but I do like Rijo. So do I but I wouldn't put him anywhere close to Betts yet.
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Post by taftreign on Apr 13, 2014 21:41:08 GMT -5
You could make an argument ( maybe not a strong one over Betts talent) that Coyle could be an option with his 2B/3B versatility. It would allow some maneuverability with Roberts and Herrera.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 13, 2014 22:09:51 GMT -5
Yeah, they're just gonna go with Holt/Herrera/Roberts if Pedroia is out for a couple months. Why waste an option on either Betts or Coyle, who have a combined like 80 AA atbats?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2014 23:20:13 GMT -5
Yeah, they're just gonna go with Holt/Herrera/Roberts if Pedroia is out for a couple months. Why waste an option on either Betts or Coyle, who have a combined like 80 AA atbats? Exactly. Odds are Betts would struggle and not give them much more than Brock Holt (who I think hit about .340 in AA as well) would give them. Let Betts get his experience at AA and let him graduate to AAA and tear it up there. If he does that perhaps we see him in September. As it is, he's giving himself an opportunity for 2015, but the thing he'll need is more experience at other defensive positions - such as LF, which could be up for grabs in 2015 or RF which could also be up for grabs then, too or at least by 2016.
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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 13, 2014 23:26:19 GMT -5
Yeah, they're just gonna go with Holt/Herrera/Roberts if Pedroia is out for a couple months. Why waste an option on either Betts or Coyle, who have a combined like 80 AA atbats? I'd absolutely love to see Betts in the majors, but you are right, it is unrealistic. If the Sox were willing to keep X in AAA for a month while Brock Holt & Brandon Snyder platooned, this situation wont even cross their minds.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Apr 14, 2014 1:15:28 GMT -5
There are many reasons why Mookie isn't a realistic option right now but the biggest is Pedroia will eventually play baseball again. They aren't going to abandon his development plan knowing he has virtually no shot at winning the job long term, it's setting him up for failure. Skipping AAA after only a cup of coffee at AA can happen in some cases, but only if the player can stick. Mookie will return to the minor leagues at some point, and he'll either have to start learning a new position or be stuck waiting for the next Pedroia injury.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 14, 2014 2:08:50 GMT -5
At this point last year people barely knew Markus Betts. Now after a week of AA baseball they want him in the bigs. Pipe it down a bit folks.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Apr 14, 2014 4:20:29 GMT -5
At this point last year people barely knew Markus Betts. Now after a week of AA baseball they want him in the bigs. Pipe it down a bit folks. Right. He just played 9 games in AA. Although I might be the biggest believer in him I think he needs more time in AA. Then he should be promoted to Pawtucket, not to Boston.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 14, 2014 7:06:15 GMT -5
At this point last year people barely knew Markus Betts. Now after a week of AA baseball they want him in the bigs. Pipe it down a bit folks. Exactly.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 14, 2014 7:15:56 GMT -5
If Pedroia is down for a 15 day stint, it'll be Holt. Mookie is at least a year (and probably 1.5 years) away. If Pedroia is projected to be down for more than 2 months they should give significant thought to signing Drew.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 14, 2014 10:29:37 GMT -5
So Mookie clearly isn't an option right now so this isn't really about him per se. It's worth noting though that a guys peak can often times be early to mid 20s so you can waste a guy in the minors during his best years if you follow too strict a path with number of innings and ABs. If Fred Lynn played today, he may not have enjoyed his best years in the major leagues.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 14, 2014 10:53:07 GMT -5
Breakout Sox Prospect of the Year award should be renamed Mookie of the Year.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 14, 2014 11:57:19 GMT -5
So Mookie clearly isn't an option right now so this isn't really about him per se. It's worth noting though that a guys peak can often times be early to mid 20s so you can waste a guy in the minors during his best years if you follow too strict a path with number of innings and ABs. If Fred Lynn played today, he may not have enjoyed his best years in the major leagues. Fred Lynn spent a half season in Double-A, and another full season in Triple-A.
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