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The Big Bad Mookie Betts Thread
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 7, 2015 9:26:30 GMT -5
Man, they did their homework. The background info damn near puts Speier to shame. Coming to you from the great Northwest
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Post by cologneredsox on Oct 8, 2015 4:34:13 GMT -5
Man, they did their homework. The background info damn near puts Speier to shame. Coming to you from the great Northwest Betts, whose full name is Markus Lynn Betts, is the son of Diana Benedict and Willie Betts, who intentionally gave him a name that reduces to the initials “MLB.” Wow, I love that
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 8, 2015 7:31:23 GMT -5
Man, they did their homework. The background info damn near puts Speier to shame. Coming to you from the great Northwest They sure did, incredible. I even learned a few things which seemed impossible.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 25, 2015 9:27:00 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 26, 2015 10:48:47 GMT -5
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Post by libertine on Oct 26, 2015 18:26:59 GMT -5
Having been a league bowler for 35 years, with 10 of the years spent on the board of directors of the local ABC association;
In Reno, Betts will compete against a field of bowlers representing more than 20 countries. The GEICO PBA World Series of Bowling, the most lucrative event in the sport, includes the PBA Cheetah Championship, PBA Viper Championship, PBA Chameleon Championship and PBA Scorpion Championship Those are some of the most difficult, and challenging, oil patterns known. Each of the events are named after the oil pattern used during the event. I have seen league bowlers, who average 220+, unable to break 150 on them. I have seen PBA pros made to look like rank amateurs on those patterns.
All I can really say is to the above, best of luck Mookie!
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Post by libertine on Oct 26, 2015 18:31:27 GMT -5
Good to see I am still struggling with the formatting here, lol.
Apologies to Chris. I meant only to quote the link he provided and not try to attribute the comments I made to him.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 7, 2015 17:26:03 GMT -5
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Post by awall on Dec 7, 2015 18:00:18 GMT -5
The anti-gronk.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 8, 2015 9:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Dec 8, 2015 10:55:15 GMT -5
I'd be willing to bet Gronk works harder preparing for his craft than Mookie. Gronk doesn't waste his time bowling. He's trying to get a little sum-sum
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2015 11:06:19 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2015 11:29:29 GMT -5
Someone stop me from signing up for Xtra Frame so I can watch Mookie bowl. hahaha
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2015 8:25:19 GMT -5
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Post by libertine on Dec 14, 2015 8:55:23 GMT -5
Mookie finished 210th out of 243 qualifiers.
Looking at his scores from each round he struggled at times with each of the patterns. But he also did not bowl poorly. I am sure he is happy to have been given the opportunity to compete against the best in bowling. He certainly did not embarrass himself, it was a very credible effort...especially for someone not bowling the lines needed to be competitive at the level he was trying to compete at.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 19, 2015 16:24:37 GMT -5
Mookie finished 210th out of 243 qualifiers.
Looking at his scores from each round he struggled at times with each of the patterns. But he also did not bowl poorly. I am sure he is happy to have been given the opportunity to compete against the best in bowling. He certainly did not embarrass himself, it was a very credible effort...especially for someone not bowling the lines needed to be competitive at the level he was trying to compete at. He'll have to settle for being a star MLB Ofer sadly
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 1, 2016 20:29:06 GMT -5
Was interested to see that Mookie had a wRC+ of -10 last year going the other way and a 254 when pulling the ball. That's pretty absurd. I'll be surprised if he gets any pitches inside again. I think this is the year he starts walking again.
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Post by nomar on Jan 1, 2016 23:14:02 GMT -5
Mookie manages to pull some balls on the outer third too.
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Post by jmei on Jan 2, 2016 10:45:36 GMT -5
Was interested to see that Mookie had a wRC+ of -10 last year going the other way and a 254 when pulling the ball. That's pretty absurd. I'll be surprised if he gets any pitches inside again. I think this is the year he starts walking again. This is more concerning than exciting for me. Betts just doesn't have the strength to drive balls to the opposite field, and he hits a lot of lazy opposite-field fly balls. If he stops getting pitched inside, he'll walk more, but he'll also see a drop in his power. Can he make the adjustment that Bogaerts made and start poking outside pitches the other way rather than trying to pull them and rolling over on them or hitting a popup to the opposite field? Even if he doesn't, he'll still be a really good player, but that adjustment is the difference between being a very good starter and a perennial All-Star.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 2, 2016 13:38:56 GMT -5
I agree with most of this, but I don't think it's a lack of power. His approach to date has been to use the pull swing in almost all situations. That leads to the lazy popups, and the overswing that buries a lot of the outside pitches. When I first watched him in the minors he was perfectly capable of an inside-out-swing that sent hard liners down the right field line. So I think he can adapt. As young as he is, he has time to build on his first two years, and he does seem to absorb advice. That is, after all, what hitting coaches are for.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 2, 2016 14:52:31 GMT -5
I agree with most of this, but I don't think it's a lack of power. His approach to date has been to use the pull swing in almost all situations. That leads to the lazy popups, and the overswing that buries a lot of the outside pitches. When I first watched him in the minors he was perfectly capable of an inside-out-swing that sent hard liners down the right field line. So I think he can adapt. As young as he is, he has time to build on his first two years, and he does seem to absorb advice. That is, after all, what hitting coaches are for. Some athletes you look at and you worry if they can adjust. Some you just know. Mookie is a "you just know". Betts is so mature and intelligent, I can't see him not learning and improving. He will have some ups and downs, but IMO the downs will not be very low. I see him walking more this year for many reasons. The opposing teams will also be adjusting and trying to find other weaknesses, and I wouldn't be surprised if he does walk more in the 1st third of the season. After he keeps getting on by BBs and hopefully steals second more consistently, they will start trying to get ahead early. With his running speed and bat speed, I can see him hitting above .300 for many years, if he can, at least, go opposite field once or twice every other game. Any way he does it, I want him on base wreaking havoc. He does not need to hit 25+ bombs. I want to see him score 110+ runs this season. I want to see him give us Johnnie Damon type output.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jan 2, 2016 15:11:28 GMT -5
I agree with most of this, but I don't think it's a lack of power. His approach to date has been to use the pull swing in almost all situations. That leads to the lazy popups, and the overswing that buries a lot of the outside pitches. When I first watched him in the minors he was perfectly capable of an inside-out-swing that sent hard liners down the right field line. So I think he can adapt. As young as he is, he has time to build on his first two years, and he does seem to absorb advice. That is, after all, what hitting coaches are for. Some athletes you look at and you worry if they can adjust. Some you just know. Mookie is a "you just know". Betts is so mature and intelligent, I can't see him not learning and improving. He will have some ups and downs, but IMO the downs will not be very low. I see him walking more this year for many reasons. The opposing teams will also be adjusting and trying to find other weaknesses, and I wouldn't be surprised if he does walk more in the 1st third of the season. After he keeps getting on by BBs and hopefully steals second more consistently, they will start trying to get ahead early. With his running speed and bat speed, I can see him hitting above .300 for many years, if he can, at least, go opposite field once or twice every other game. Any way he does it, I want him on base wreaking havoc. He does not need to hit 25+ bombs. I want to see him score 110+ runs this season. I want to see him give us Johnnie Damon type output. I agree 100 percent. I'm not worried at all about Mookie.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jan 2, 2016 17:17:15 GMT -5
I'm definitely more concerned about Bogaerts taking a (relative) step back when trying to introduce more power this season than with Mookie potentially facing fewer inside/pullable pitches. Nothing against Bogaerts at all, and I haven't read up or heard much regarding this, but does anybody else feel like Betts is almost a purer hitter, than Xander is? I feel like Xander's lows and slumps could be (and have been) significantly worse than Mookie's could be. Mookie did start off relatively slow and slumped at times, but I distinctly recall a ton of line drives and flies simply not falling in. For Xander, we've seen (in 2014) how bad it is when he tries to do too much and pull everything. I hope Xander steadily progresses and doesn't try to rapidly become more powerful this season, and I hope Mookie can walk a bit more. He doesn't have to hit more homers, but I do hope Xander does. If they both end up as being 15-20 homer guys, with Mookie having a higher AVG and OBP, but Xander a better SLG, I won't be disappointed. But I don't know how likely it is that Xander ever becomes "that" 30 homer guy.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Jan 2, 2016 21:05:28 GMT -5
I'm definitely more concerned about Bogaerts taking a (relative) step back when trying to introduce more power this season than with Mookie potentially facing fewer inside/pullable pitches. Nothing against Bogaerts at all, and I haven't read up or heard much regarding this, but does anybody else feel like Betts is almost a purer hitter, than Xander is? I feel like Xander's lows and slumps could be (and have been) significantly worse than Mookie's could be. Mookie did start off relatively slow and slumped at times, but I distinctly recall a ton of line drives and flies simply not falling in. For Xander, we've seen (in 2014) how bad it is when he tries to do too much and pull everything. I hope Xander steadily progresses and doesn't try to rapidly become more powerful this season, and I hope Mookie can walk a bit more. He doesn't have to hit more homers, but I do hope Xander does. If they both end up as being 15-20 homer guys, with Mookie having a higher AVG and OBP, but Xander a better SLG, I won't be disappointed. But I don't know how likely it is that Xander ever becomes "that" 30 homer guy. I've always been a little hazy on what "pure hitter" even means. There's always seems to be a big of a negative connotation to it power-wise. I would say Xander is mentally a better hitter (uses entire field, seems to have more of a plan/approach) and Mookie is potentially a more athletic hitter. But even those descriptions are sort of purposefully vague.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jan 3, 2016 11:46:00 GMT -5
I'm definitely more concerned about Bogaerts taking a (relative) step back when trying to introduce more power this season than with Mookie potentially facing fewer inside/pullable pitches. Nothing against Bogaerts at all, and I haven't read up or heard much regarding this, but does anybody else feel like Betts is almost a purer hitter, than Xander is? I feel like Xander's lows and slumps could be (and have been) significantly worse than Mookie's could be. Mookie did start off relatively slow and slumped at times, but I distinctly recall a ton of line drives and flies simply not falling in. For Xander, we've seen (in 2014) how bad it is when he tries to do too much and pull everything. I hope Xander steadily progresses and doesn't try to rapidly become more powerful this season, and I hope Mookie can walk a bit more. He doesn't have to hit more homers, but I do hope Xander does. If they both end up as being 15-20 homer guys, with Mookie having a higher AVG and OBP, but Xander a better SLG, I won't be disappointed. But I don't know how likely it is that Xander ever becomes "that" 30 homer guy. I've always been a little hazy on what "pure hitter" even means. There's always seems to be a big of a negative connotation to it power-wise. I would say Xander is mentally a better hitter (uses entire field, seems to have more of a plan/approach) and Mookie is potentially a more athletic hitter. But even those descriptions are sort of purposefully vague. Yeah, I agree. I guess I just mean that I personally feel that you can "guarantee" Mookie having a fine year, even if he's pitched outside more often, because he's always hit. But for Xander, I hope he sticks to the strides he made last year, while adding more power. And while trying to do that, his average (and that AVG-inflated OBP) will most likely falter. Maybe not, though. Hopefully not.
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