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Post by mredsox89 on Jan 31, 2013 13:40:27 GMT -5
Even if the Yankees were able to get insurance on the contract, which doesn't seem very likely, at least not at 100%, I'm still not so sure they'd be willing to put it all back into the team if they're still paying it +40% in luxury tax.
Figure the luxury tax is roughly $180 for the 2014 season. They already have 80M committed to A-rod, Tex, CC, and Ichiro. With Granderson, Cano, Jeter, Rivera, as well as another 15+ players on the 25 man roster, it's going to be very difficult for them to get under the tax without completely sacrificing the teams abilities. With $70M commited for 2015 and 2016, they're in a pretty god awful position
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Post by bluechip on Feb 1, 2013 11:54:39 GMT -5
The luxury tax of 189 is rough for the Yankees, especially if they want to keep Cano.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Feb 1, 2013 12:23:19 GMT -5
The luxury tax of 189 is rough for the Yankees, especially if they want to keep Cano. That will be a tough one Bluechip. I've attempted to run the numbers and it is going to be difficult at best. Hoping ARod keeps in their uniform and screws them further.
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Post by remember04 on Feb 1, 2013 13:16:56 GMT -5
The luxury tax of 189 is rough for the Yankees, especially if they want to keep Cano. That will be a tough one Bluechip. I've attempted to run the numbers and it is going to be difficult at best. Hoping ARod keeps in their uniform and screws them further. I've wondered if they'd consider trading the both of them or a similar salary dump of A-Rod and have player(s) X,Y,Z to make up for it. Its the only way they're going to get rid of him.
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Post by JP Kitson on Feb 1, 2013 14:04:50 GMT -5
That will be a tough one Bluechip. I've attempted to run the numbers and it is going to be difficult at best. Hoping ARod keeps in their uniform and screws them further. I've wondered if they'd consider trading the both of them or a similar salary dump of A-Rod and have player(s) X,Y,Z to make up for it. Its the only way they're going to get rid of him. Thats easy. Just call the Dodgers!
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Post by ibsmith85 on Feb 3, 2013 14:32:44 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Feb 3, 2013 15:06:40 GMT -5
Is he? Angry Yankee fans are going to appreciate his candor, and this is almost certainly his last non-minimum contract anyways so his agent can't be mad. Yeah, the MLBPA and maybe a few agents might not like his honesty, but noone who knows the business/economics side of baseball would really disagree with him, right?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 3, 2013 16:14:12 GMT -5
Speak for yourself, Mark.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 3, 2013 18:03:57 GMT -5
Speak for yourself, Mark. ...and so he is. This is refreshing. That someone who played the game at a high level would say it makes it even more so. Different teams try different routes to try and find their way into the playoffs. The new CBA makes it likely that more teams will choose the route Beane has been traveling for years. You don't need a roster full of stars who's best years are behind them. It's better to tailor the team to the ballpark and the competition and to look for the best value for your dollar. As much as some might hate stats such as WAR, they provide an objective way to do just that. Paying 10 times more for a player who might be 30% better just isn't worth it. Look for deals, draft carefully, and grow your own talent if you can. The Yankees need to get off the treadmill the Sox have left behind. Trouble is, they have a lot of baggage to unload before they can climb down..
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Post by ray88h66 on Feb 3, 2013 20:06:05 GMT -5
Speak for yourself, Mark. He did. And good for him.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 4, 2013 18:11:41 GMT -5
Breaking trade news...not a bad haul for the Astros
Oakland Athletics þ@Athletics #Athletics acquire Jed Lowrie and Fernando Rodriguez from the #Astros for Chris Carter, Brad Peacock and minor leaguer Max Stassi.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 4, 2013 18:11:52 GMT -5
Athletics/Astros 5-Player Trade--Jed Lowrie/Fernando Rodriguez For Chris Carter/Brad Peacock/Max Stassi
Nice haul for the Astros for Lowrie who is still looking to put consecutive average+ seasons together. A's up the middle defense is kind of crowded though. Sizemore, Nakajima, Weeks, now Lowrie. Though none of them project as anything more than decent midlevel starters
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 4, 2013 18:57:18 GMT -5
Peacock was miserably bad at Sacramento last year, but he just turned 25 and was quite good in both Double-A and Triple-A in 2011, so he's not a bad target as a reclamation project.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 4, 2013 19:02:15 GMT -5
Speak for yourself, Mark. I like he's candor too while getting a cool $20 mill a year. Why didn't h e have this candor before he signed that contract.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 4, 2013 20:26:06 GMT -5
My point is, his statement implies no player is worth $20m a year, which is incorrect. HE'S just not worth $20m a year.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 5, 2013 10:38:45 GMT -5
Athletics/Astros 5-Player Trade--Jed Lowrie/Fernando Rodriguez For Chris Carter/Brad Peacock/Max Stassi Nice haul for the Astros for Lowrie who is still looking to put consecutive average+ seasons together. A's up the middle defense is kind of crowded though. Sizemore, Nakajima, Weeks, now Lowrie. Though none of them project as anything more than decent midlevel starters I'm not a Cherington hater, but our Lowrie trade was not strong. We sent Lowrie AND a prospect for a reliever. Now Lowrie is the centerpiece of a deal that nets 3 prospects, albeit not top prospects but its not like Carter, Peacock and Stassi are unknowns in prospect land. Also, its not as if Lowrie proved he can play for an entire season thus raising his stock. We sold him short last year.
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Post by curll on Feb 5, 2013 10:48:57 GMT -5
Athletics/Astros 5-Player Trade--Jed Lowrie/Fernando Rodriguez For Chris Carter/Brad Peacock/Max Stassi Nice haul for the Astros for Lowrie who is still looking to put consecutive average+ seasons together. A's up the middle defense is kind of crowded though. Sizemore, Nakajima, Weeks, now Lowrie. Though none of them project as anything more than decent midlevel starters I'm not a Cherington hater, but our Lowrie trade was not strong. We sent Lowrie AND a prospect for a reliever. Now Lowrie is the centerpiece of a deal that nets 3 prospects, albeit not top prospects but its not like Carter, Peacock and Stassi are unknowns in prospect land. Also, its not as if Lowrie proved he can play for an entire season thus raising his stock. We sold him short last year. I'm a Lowrie fan and all, but it is hard to judge the trade when Jed 1) got hurt 2) got traded and Melancon 1) was in AAA mostly 2) got traded. We'll see what Jed does this year, this is his make-or-break year. At this point, the Astros/Sox trade is Weiland, Peacock, Carter, and Stassi for Melancon. Melancon could still prove to be an effective closer and warrant that price.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 5, 2013 10:57:07 GMT -5
I think they bought too high (then sold too low) on Melancon rather than sold short on Lowrie. Melancon was more highly regarded than any individual player the Astros are getting back in this deal, and Rodriguez is better than Weiland (meaning the Astros gave up more as well).
Carter isn't a prospect anymore but more of a major league platoon player with limited upside, Peacock was atrocious last year in Triple-A as a 24 year old, and Stassi has hit .257/.331/.430 in the California League (!) over 500 plate appearances. Stassi's age and position still give him some upside, and Peacock was quite good two years ago, but it's not exactly a kings ransom. None of the three would be in the Red Sox top 10.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 5, 2013 16:34:16 GMT -5
Honestly, we're talking about players in Melancon and Lowrie that hardly anyone will even remember in five years. A shortstop who can't stay healthy and probably can't play short much (if any) longer and a righty reliever with not-great stuff, aka the most fungible asset in the game. You can like this trade or you can hate it, but either way, this was not a deal that punched any kind of hole in the universe.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 5, 2013 20:33:07 GMT -5
Danny Valencia and Ryan Braun linked to the A-Rod clinic.......The Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!
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Post by jmei on Feb 5, 2013 21:14:26 GMT -5
Yankees projected starting catcher Francisco Cervelli's name was found in those records, too.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 6, 2013 11:11:02 GMT -5
I think they bought too high (then sold too low) on Melancon rather than sold short on Lowrie. This. The Sox lost that trade, but not because of what Lowrie did for Houston. He did precisely what anyone who'd followed him for a while thought he'd do - play well until his inevitable injury. The Sox, however, whiffed on Melancon, something we probably should have realized when they didn't make him the closer when Bailey went down last spring. They must've realized it even then.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 7, 2013 14:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by honkbal on Feb 7, 2013 14:31:42 GMT -5
Good. Hopefully the Dodgers and Tigers lock up Kershaw and Verlander next.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 7, 2013 15:08:58 GMT -5
Not really. He's fantastic, and that brings him through age-33. He's durable, and also efficient, with four straight 230 inning seasons, but only one that brought him over 1000 batters faced (he had 1001 in '10). Last year he put up the best strikeout, walk AND home run rates of his career. I'd take him over any other pitcher, including Verlander. Seattle isn't really a small-market club, and they can pay a little extra to keep their most popular player in town. It should also cut down on the annoying trade rumors, which probably don't have any measurable effect on team performance but did make me want to drill holes in my head. EDIT: He was scheduled to make $39.5M over the next two years, so it's really a five year, $135.5M extension. That's totally reasonable.
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