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2013 Red Sox Post-Draft Discussion (Signings, etc.)
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 8, 2013 20:09:36 GMT -5
Appologies if we dont need this thread, but I thought we should have a thread to discuss draft signings, etc
jmei edit: title
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 20:34:36 GMT -5
Don't you guys always do a "links/quotes" thread dedicated to draft signings and rumors?
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 8, 2013 20:58:08 GMT -5
I think there is typically one thread for links regarding draftees and rumors etc. Then another thread for official signing info only. That's what I recall from the past.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jun 8, 2013 23:11:30 GMT -5
We may not exactly know their draftboard, but if the color color coding is related to their targeting, Ball, Frazier and Stewart were in the same tier and Appel was their first round wet dream. Draft Room
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Post by azblue on Jun 8, 2013 23:37:08 GMT -5
Check your link. It is a highlight of the first game against the Angels.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 8, 2013 23:49:44 GMT -5
Click on the video that says "Inside the Red Sox draft room", I believe that's the one he was referring to.
It shows Stewart, Frazier and Ball all in white color coding on our board.
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Post by Ian Cundall on Jun 8, 2013 23:56:31 GMT -5
The color coding is probably related to what year they are ie green=college senior, pink=college underclassman and white=high school.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2013 0:06:06 GMT -5
Yeah, you just need to scroll over. There's no permalink.
It's also an excellent example of one of the times Selig said "two-thousand first-year player draft."
That said, the color coding doesn't necessarily represent "tiers." I can't figure out what Appel is, but of the next six picks, the college and HS players each are coded the same. If you look at the blurred out parts of the board (I would kill to get that unblurred, btw), it's not in any color-order. But of course, that could mean anything. (EDIT: Ah, Ian's probably got it. And I'm guessing the yellow you can see in the blurred-out section are JuCos.)
You can also hear someone saying "Ball's higher on the board" during the discussion. Couldn't make out the prior comment about Ball, but it's "Ball's a super-something"
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 9, 2013 0:09:07 GMT -5
Ben is the one that said "Ball's higher on the board". I would also kill to get a look at that blurred out board, just once, it would be awesome to see how we actually had them lined up instead of having to guess.
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Post by jmei on Jun 9, 2013 0:32:22 GMT -5
You can also hear someone saying "Ball's higher on the board" during the discussion. Couldn't make out the prior comment about Ball, but it's "Ball's a super- something" I think it was "Ball's a super athlete." Also, based on past draft videos (e.g. here), looks like the colors are for differentiating between HS, JuCo, College, etc. players, as speculated above. Or, at the very least, it doesn't seem like any sort of tiering or anything like that.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 9, 2013 5:38:20 GMT -5
Can't wait for Mike's list of who he predicts signs and who doesn't. He's usually fairly accurate.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 9, 2013 6:59:47 GMT -5
Read this story in my local paper today: Longhi played the final two games of his high school career at Boston’s spring training park, jetBlue Park in Fort Myers, where Venice won its second straight Class 7A State title.
The right-handed hitter batted .625 in the state semifinal and final. He finished the season with a .262 batting average and 17 RBI.
Born in Springfield, Mass., Longhi is a huge Red Sox fan. He worked out for the team on a couple of occasions at jetBlue.
“I showed pretty well,” he said.
Projected as a top 10 pick, Longhi’s father, Tommy, received a call from Seattle, which was interested in Nick in the third or fourth round.Link: preps.heraldtribune.com/2013/06/08/2-state-college-of-florida-players-also-taken-on-day-3/* the .262 ave is a mistake
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 9, 2013 7:04:58 GMT -5
Longhi looks very signable. I like this pick. We need more pure bat with some power potential.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 9, 2013 7:31:08 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Jun 9, 2013 8:15:15 GMT -5
That said, the color coding doesn't necessarily represent "tiers." I can't figure out what Appel is, but of the next six picks, the college and HS players each are coded the same. Appel's color could represent college senior.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jun 9, 2013 8:23:15 GMT -5
My completely, educated guesses. There is no "inside information" being used here.
Will Sign: Round 1 (7) - Trey Ball, LHP (HS), BA Rank #9 Round 2 (45) - Teddy Stankiewicz, RHP (JC), BA Rank #77 Round 3 (81) - Jonathan Denney, C (HS), BA Rank #25 Round 4 (113) - Myles Smith, RHP (C), BA Rank #108 Round 5 (143) - Corey Littrell, LHP (C), BA Rank #130 Round 6 (173) - Jordon Austin, OF (HS), Unranked Round 7 (203) - Mike Adams, LHP (C), BA Rank #351 Round 8 (233) - Forrestt Allday, OF (C), Unranked Round 9 (263) - Kyle Martin, RHP (C), Unranked Round 10 (293) - Taylor Grover, RHP (C), Unranked Round 11 (323) - Carlos Asuaje, SS (C), BA Rank #208 Round 13 (383) - Jordan Sheffield, RHP (HS), BA Rank #88 Round 12 (353) - Jake Drehoff, LHP (C), Unranked Round 14 (413) - Jake Romanski, C (C), BA Rank #485 Round 17 (503) - Joseph Monge, OF (HS), BA Rank #451 Round 18 (533) - Joe Gunkel, RHP (C), Unranked Round 19 (563) - Gabe Speier, LHP (HS), BA Rank #265 Round 21 (623) - Reed Gragnani, 2B (C), Unranked Round 24 (713) - Jantzen Witte, 3B (C), Unranked Round 29 (863) - Jeff Driskel, OF (C), Unranked Round 30 (893) - Nick Longhi, OF (HS), BA Rank #296 Round 31 (923) - Ryan Rippee, 1B (C), Unranked Round 37 (1103) - Max Watt, RHP (C), Unranked Round 39 (1163) - K.J. Trader, RHP (HS), Unranked
Won't Sign: Round 15 (443) - Bryan Hudson, OF (HS), Unranked Round 16 (473) - Jalen Williams, RHP (HS), BA Rank #352 Round 20 (593) - Derek Burkamper, RHP (HS), BA Rank #302 Round 22 (653) - Ryan Boldt, OF (HS), BA Rank #58 Round 23 (683) - Jimmy Allen, 2B (C), BA Rank #300 Round 25 (743) - Derik Beauprez, RHP (HS), Unranked Round 26 (773) - Mauricio Dubon, SS (HS), Unranked Round 27 (803) - Mark Nowaczewski, RHP (HS), BA Rank #440 Round 28 (833) - Nick Zammarelli, 3B (HS), Unranked Round 32 (953) - Matt Thaiss, C (HS), BA Rank #224 Round 33 (983) - Andrew Rosa, SS (HS), Unranked Round 34 (1013) - Daniel Bethea, C (C), Unranked Round 35 (1043) - Rafael Oliveras, 3B (HS), Unranked Round 36 (1073) - Pat Goetze, RHP (HS), Unranked Round 38 (1133) - Trever Morrison, SS (HS), BA Rank #139 Round 40 (1193) - Ryan Lidge, C (HS), Unranked
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 9, 2013 9:02:43 GMT -5
I know it's risky but why not offer $3 mil at most to the raw, HS player in Ball and underslot for the projected 3rd rounder in Stankiewiicz who has been to the dance before. Both would seem to be advised to accept it and with good reason. We already know Ball's family doesn't like health risk and is he really likely to get more than $3 mil in the future? I think not. I bet they have discussed signing needs at least some already. Stankiewicz obviously wants to get his pro career started. And Denny was to a degree embarassed by not being selected on day one and might just be well advised to take slightly above slot and get his career started. No one projects that but it might work. If you were a HS kid like Denney who may never get offered that much again wouldn't you strongly consider just taking the money? There have been some instances where HS kids end up crying on signing day when the team stiffed their bluff for $2 mil. Whitson, for example, in several ways a tragic story. And what is the worst that can happen? We use that overslot money somewhere else?
If it does work then we would have a lot more money for some of the other guys who are also good prospects but perhaps better values. If he does take it GREAT. If he doesn't take it there are plenty of opportunities to use that cash elsewhere which are probably at least as warranted. Why blow all the cash on Denney? When we can use it to sign 2-3 other kids who may well be of comparable value. If it doesn't work we still have that remaining overslot money for those same kids who have even more incentive to sign based upon their personal circumstances. For example Sheffield due to his health. Longhi due to his proximity to Jetblue park and excitement factor. Who knows what is needed to sign some of these guys. Sometimes maybe just an extra $25,000. I'd rather have 3-4 Sheffield's and Longhi's as compared to 1 Denney.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 9, 2013 9:04:40 GMT -5
We don't even need catchers that badly in the farm. We have an excellent pipeline of catchers already. And they just drafted 5 more if I remember correctly. I'd offer just slightly above slot for Denney.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 9, 2013 9:10:55 GMT -5
If the top 3 picks could all even out to their respected slots....I'd call it a win. There's a good chance Denney moves to the outfield....let's also not rule out Swihart moving off position.
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Post by azblue on Jun 9, 2013 9:17:12 GMT -5
The color coding is probably related to what year they are ie green=college senior, pink=college underclassman and white=high school. When colors are selected this year, think about readability. Statistically, 10% of the people reading this board have either some degree of red-green color blindness or monochromatic vision. The pink and light green colors are particularly difficult.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 9, 2013 9:19:33 GMT -5
I dont think they will play around with their Top 10 picks and will make every effort to sign them including Denny. Its the others they have an opportunity to stiff etc. Denny is considered a First round talent and he will expect money atleast equal to the slot in the 25-30 range. Yes it is a lot of money to turn down but most of these players and their families also Human and ego can come in to the picture (For ex: Stanky going back to Juco over 80K) Interesting to know if Bane caused this change in draft philosophy though.
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Post by rasimon on Jun 9, 2013 9:35:40 GMT -5
There have been some instances where HS kids end up crying on signing day when the team stiffed their bluff for $2 mil. Whitson, for example, in several ways a tragic story. And what is the worst that can happen? We use that overslot money somewhere else? These draftees were about 5 years old when the Matt Harrington saga started. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Harrington
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Post by bluechip on Jun 9, 2013 9:36:23 GMT -5
If the top 3 picks could all even out to their respected slots....I'd call it a win. I'd say its a huge coup if the first five rounds are equal to the draft the bonus pool for those five rounds. If all of the money saved in rounds 6-10 is available for the tough signs, then the Red Sox at least could have a chance of signing Boldt.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 9, 2013 9:37:22 GMT -5
We don't even need catchers that badly in the farm. We have an excellent pipeline of catchers already. And they just drafted 5 more if I remember correctly. I'd offer just slightly above slot for Denney. Slightly above won't get it done. The Sox have an idea (or a specific number) for what it will require to sign Denney and they have every intention of making that happen. He's a first round talent that slid. He's not the guy you want to play chicken with.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 9, 2013 9:43:54 GMT -5
Does anyone have any thoughts on the bonus demands of Jordon Austin? How much below slot will he accept? He could always go to JuCo or college.
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