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2013 Red Sox Post-Draft Discussion (Signings, etc.)
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 9, 2013 19:51:46 GMT -5
I don't know why you guys have mike Adams signing for so little. I would expect under slot, but he is not a senior and he is a decent player. He's about on par with Dylan Chavez, who got less than $100K.
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 9, 2013 19:53:01 GMT -5
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 9, 2013 19:56:25 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about this until now. It's interesting that the two highest ranked signability guys that the Red Sox drafted in Day 3 where Boldt and Sheffield, both whom suffered serious injury's. The plan is probably to leverage those two against each other and see which of the two blinks first and will sign at our number.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 9, 2013 19:59:32 GMT -5
I am not sure why some are souring on Denny to sign Sheffield and Boldt. His scouting reports says he has middle of the order bat potential with 65-70 power and that is impressive and probably the reason why Sox made sure they get him and not KC. Based on BA ranks, he seems to be a better player then Boldt or Sheffield and he probably is not asking for 2M like Boldt either. Again as others have mentioned their priority is to sign the top 10 picks for as much below slot as possible so they have an opportunity to sign the remaining. Make no mistake about it and if it comes to Denny vs Sheffeild or Boldt they will sign Denny.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 9, 2013 20:06:51 GMT -5
ikonos I couldn't agree more. The guy was a legitimate first round talent, ranked by BA as the 25th best prospect in the whole draft. I have no doubt in my mind that we will sign him.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 9, 2013 20:23:05 GMT -5
Thanks to Amfox for his thread. We already knew it, but Boldt and Burkamper are not signing.
However, it looks like Carlos Asuaje will be signing. He ranks as #208 on BA's Top 500.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2013 20:32:12 GMT -5
Um, Mike's not copying me, for whatever that's worth. (c) (TM), etc.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 9, 2013 20:34:15 GMT -5
Thanks to Amfox for his thread. We already knew it, but Boldt and Burkamper are not signing. However, it looks like Carlos Asuaje will be signing. He ranks as #208 on BA's Top 500. Keep in mind that this wouldn't be the first time a draftee said they were going to school and ended up signing at the last minute. It looks unlikely, but it isn't 0%.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 9, 2013 21:36:31 GMT -5
Jim Callis ?@jimcallisba 45m Just finished taping some #mlbdraft & #RedSox talk w/@mikefelger on @csnne (Comcast New England). Should air around 8 pm ET. Someone take notes for people not in the area. Video should be on the website at some point.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 9, 2013 21:45:07 GMT -5
CLNSRadio ?@clnsradio 26min Per @nsusharks #Redsox have signed 11th rounder SS Carlos Asuaje to a contract.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2013 22:04:44 GMT -5
posted down thread
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Post by mjammz on Jun 9, 2013 22:12:40 GMT -5
I'd say it's likely Carlos Asuaje signed for 100k or less. Some had pegged him for more than 100k, so I take this as a good signing.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 9, 2013 22:16:21 GMT -5
Random person I follow tweeted this:
@tradedeadliner: Source: #RedSox sign 11th rounder Carlos Asuaje. Looks like higher than slot value....in $200-300K range.
I asked where he heard it, and he replied "source", so take it for what it's worth.
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Post by azblue on Jun 9, 2013 22:19:25 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 9, 2013 22:21:55 GMT -5
I'm not that interested in Asuaje - at this point - for $200k-$300k. If he has already signed, I doubt it's for more than $100k. They're not going to blow an extra $100k+ until they deal with Dennye, Longhi etc etc
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 9, 2013 22:28:44 GMT -5
iakovos11, I agree. If he signed this quick I fully expect it to be for $100K, specially after I read the following quote about his father:
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2013 22:32:17 GMT -5
Joshua Kusnick ?@joshuakusnick 48m Congratulations to carlos asuaje on signing his first pro contract with the boston red sox. Flight leaves tomorrow
Im guessing this is his agent
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2013 22:33:08 GMT -5
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Post by homerdante on Jun 9, 2013 22:42:34 GMT -5
Did anyone catch ALEX SPEIER's interview with Sawdaye this morning? I've been waiting for weei to post it, but can't find it anywhere yet, wondered if anyone had a link from anyone who might have recorded it?
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Post by bluechip on Jun 9, 2013 22:52:59 GMT -5
This quote was interesting for two reasons. One, Gammons confirms that Frazier and Moran were the first choices and Ball was the fall back. Two, an opposing GM really liked Ball, which is nice.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 9, 2013 23:05:56 GMT -5
It appears the team has signed Asuaje. Here is some information on him from his college sports web page. www.nsusharks.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=2360&path=baseballI like that he earned the Conference Freshman of the Year award and in his Sophmore year was Co-Sunshine State Conference Player of the Year award. Maybe he didn't produce quite at the same level this year but was still solid. Generates a high OBP while playing above average defense. Looks to make consistent contact and when on base is able to use his speed to swipe a few bases. Whether he has a chance as a MLB utility player or more I don't know but he will definitely be a great org guy at the worst at SS or 2B. Just my opinion. You Tube video: 2012 from the Cape: Interview after a win: Thought I would find more video but at least its something.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 9, 2013 23:16:32 GMT -5
You're right that we lose ~600k, but if he doesn't sign that actually helps our chances of signing Sheffield or Boldt. Let's say we offer Denney 1.3 mill and he doesn't take it. We lose the slot money, but we can put the remaining money we set aside for Denney (between 600 - 700k) towards the later round guys like Sheff and Boldt. Plus the pick is protected. Doesn't matter though, because Denney will sign. And we get the slot money back next year also don't we? It is win, win, win. Protected pick. Slot money back next year. Opportunity to do other deals and we have lots of other good overslot opportunities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. To me, Denney might moan and complain and posture but if he is wise I think he takes the $1.3 mil. Sometimes kids play the game and it doesn't work out the way they want. He already gambled and lost in terms of being a round 1 or 2 pick. He should consolidate and take the money. He could get zippo next year or at least a lot less. $1.3 mil is life changing money in itself. A chance to make $100,000 per year for life on the stock market for example for doing nothing. His parents should advise him to take the cash. To me, I hear what people are saying about potentially losing a premium prospect but we have a number of lower round picks who seem to have excellent pedigrees also. And a lot of incentive to sign. Sheffield just got hurt right. He is potentially worthless to a college team for up to 2 years. With much greater risk of a poor rehab. If offered $500,000 he should take that. And he is potentially as good as Stankiewicz as I understand it. We have a decent opportunity to sign Ball, Stank, Denney, Smith, Littell, Sheffield, Thaiss and Longhi IMO. A real good chance of that but it means going a little underslot with Ball and Stankiwicz while signing the round 5-10 guys really cheap ( or not ). If we get Asuaje, Monge and Williams for $100,000 each fine but it will not be that much of a priority if we don't. I think high school kids will quickly determine that they are not in the driver's seat as much as they think.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2013 23:20:14 GMT -5
If Asuaje has indeed signed, I'm assuming he heads to Lowell. My guess is that he'd start at 2B. He apparently moved to short mid-season at NSU for team-based reasons (like an injury or so they could field their best 9 or something). He's intriguing though.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 9, 2013 23:38:55 GMT -5
Plus the pick is protected. Doesn't matter though, because Denney will sign. And we get the slot money back next year also don't we? It is win, win, win. Protected pick. Slot money back next year. Opportunity to do other deals and we have lots of other good overslot opportunities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. To me, Denney might moan and complain and posture but if he is wise I think he takes the $1.3 mil. Sometimes kids play the game and it doesn't work out the way they want. He already gambled and lost in terms of being a round 1 or 2 pick. He should consolidate and take the money. He could get zippo next year or at least a lot less. $1.3 mil is life changing money in itself. A chance to make $100,000 per year for life on the stock market for example for doing nothing. His parents should advise him to take the cash. To me, I hear what people are saying about potentially losing a premium prospect but we have a number of lower round picks who seem to have excellent pedigrees also. And a lot of incentive to sign. Sheffield just got hurt right. He is potentially worthless to a college team for up to 2 years. With much greater risk of a poor rehab. If offered $500,000 he should take that. And he is potentially as good as Stankiewicz as I understand it. We have a decent opportunity to sign Ball, Stank, Denney, Smith, Littell, Sheffield, Thaiss and Longhi IMO. A real good chance of that but it means going a little underslot with Ball and Stankiwicz while signing the round 5-10 guys really cheap ( or not ). If we get Asuaje, Monge and Williams for $100,000 each fine but it will not be that much of a priority if we don't. I think high school kids will quickly determine that they are not in the driver's seat as much as they think. I don't think you understand how hard it is to find a prospect who has a good chance to stick behind the plate and provide the offensive upside that Denney could offer. Additionally the value of the pick at the end of the 3rd round ( roughly 500,000) vs. the 7th pick in the 3rd round (670,000) is both a loss of budget in actual dollars and a loss of value in terms of the time value of money. Signing Denney a 1st round caliber catcher in the 3rd is a coup for a MLB team and isn't worth messing around with.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 9, 2013 23:41:33 GMT -5
mike 825K is late 2nd round money. Do you see Sheffield a late second rounder? He was ranked 88 by BA and assuming that correlates with that pick, the slot value is only about 600K. I mean no disrespect to anyone here and I realize I'm being an iconoclast but to me we often let the tail wag the dog. These high school kids are not guaranteed $800 K just because they were ranked #88 by BA. They didn't get picked as pick #88. There is a huge difference between money in the hand and money which may or may not go up the next year. Imagine you were Longoria before he signed his first mlb extention. To most of us that was ridiculously cheap money but it was also guaranteed money and it was life changing for him, no matter how under market it seemed. And was he stupid to accept it? Maybe not. There were no guarantees he was going to be an all star. He could well have been that year's Jeremy Hermedia. I accept that this is a minority position. And it would be a real shame to lose a guy like Denney but as Scott Boras would certainly confirm, sometimes you have to call their bluff if you want to be a top negotiator. They quickly will pay attention the next time around plus we do have the pick protected for next year. It's worth it in the long run.
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