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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jun 10, 2013 7:00:09 GMT -5
6/10 Red Sox (RHP John Lackey 3-5 2.79) @ Rays (RHP Alex Cobb 6-2 2.39) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI6/11 Red Sox (LHP Jon Lester 6-2 3.60) @ Rays (RHP Roberto Hernandez 3-6 5.03) 7:10 pm ET, FOX/WEEI6/12 Red Sox (TBA) @ Rays (RHP Chris Archer 1-1 4.91) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/TBS/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 10, 2013 9:04:03 GMT -5
I think it will be Morales on Wednesday. Provided we don't need him tonight or tomorrow. Allows you to skip Buchholz turn. Only AAA pitcher is Aceves and he's going tonight. Allen Webster could go. He pitched last Thursday. Prob his worst start of the year and plunked three guys. Gonna be a fight if he drills three Rays. Tonight's game is on ESPN for the out of towners.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 10, 2013 13:37:27 GMT -5
By the way, was anybody else shocked to find out there was baseball this past weekend?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2013 13:49:53 GMT -5
Ellsbury 8 victorino 9 Pedroia 4 Ortiz dh nava 7 Carp 3 Salty 2 middlebrooks 5 Drew 6 Lackey 1
Yes. You read that right. Drew starting over the best player in the universe (slight hyperbole).
I also heard a rumor that Ciriaco's been DFA'd.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2013 13:52:32 GMT -5
@nickcafardo Red Sox are holding a player-only meeting at 4:30. Interesting
This could be anything. Sad that my first thought is someone on the team got implicated by that Biogenesis dirtbag.
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Post by welovewally on Jun 10, 2013 13:57:02 GMT -5
Who gets added to the 40 man? Brentz, Bogaerts, Workman.....or someone else?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2013 14:06:31 GMT -5
Or do you leave the spot open for a future move?
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Post by danr on Jun 10, 2013 14:14:07 GMT -5
Per the Globe, Middlebrooks recalled, Ciriaco DFA'd, Iglesias sticks, and may platoon with Drew at SS.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 10, 2013 14:51:41 GMT -5
Or do you leave the spot open for a future move? For sure. No reason to add anyone unless/until you need to. Maybe there's a guy with an opt-out coming up, or maybe you have an injury. Most pressing need in case of injury would be infield, where there is no one on the 40-man who isn't also on the game-day roster. And who you call up might depend on position, length of term, ability to start, and how hot/ready Xander seems at the time.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2013 15:08:03 GMT -5
I know it's not sustainable etc. and I'm playing favorites but I have a real hard time sitting down a guy who is on a 13 game hitting streak especially when Drew has looked, uh, tired.
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Post by welovewally on Jun 10, 2013 15:11:54 GMT -5
Most pressing need in case of injury would be infield, where there is no one on the 40-man who isn't also on the game-day roster. Holt?
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 10, 2013 15:12:12 GMT -5
I know it's not sustainable etc. and I'm playing favorites but I have a real hard time sitting down a guy who is on a 13 game hitting streak especially when Drew has looked, uh, tired. Finally, somebody who speaks my language. I have an even harder time sitting him in favor of the guy who is hitting 201/.234/.408 this year and has put up a -0.6 fWAR. (3.8 BB%/29.2 K%, ugh)
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 10, 2013 15:20:24 GMT -5
They are leading MLB in OBP, OPS, doubles, Runs and probably several other categories coming up on a big series against a hot team just before the trading deadline. Just DFA'd a player. Time to take stock in where they are, show appreciation and pull the team together to push forward in a tough series of games together. Instill confidence and team spirit. Congratulations....now keep doing it!
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 10, 2013 15:22:27 GMT -5
Pete Abe tweeted that Franklin Morales nodded when asked if he's starting Wednesday.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2013 15:24:04 GMT -5
I know it's not sustainable etc. and I'm playing favorites but I have a real hard time sitting down a guy who is on a 13 game hitting streak especially when Drew has looked, uh, tired. Finally, somebody who speaks my language. I have an even harder time sitting him in favor of the guy who is hitting 201/.234/.408 this year and has put up a -0.6 fWAR. (3.8 BB%/29.2 K%, ugh) And really, didn't Farrell read Earl Weaver's book OR see Bull Durham. Honor the streak. Or as they say in Texas, 'You ride the horse til he bucks you or you don't ride at all.'
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 10, 2013 15:34:54 GMT -5
What I find amusing is that yesterday Farrell was talking about how he'd like WMB to gain some momentum, so he'll probably stay in AAA longer than expected, next day he's called up and Iggy is riding the bench. Awesome.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 10, 2013 15:50:41 GMT -5
I know it's not sustainable etc. and I'm playing favorites but I have a real hard time sitting down a guy who is on a 13 game hitting streak especially when Drew has looked, uh, tired. Finally, somebody who speaks my language. I have an even harder time sitting him in favor of the guy who is hitting 201/.234/.408 this year and has put up a -0.6 fWAR. (3.8 BB%/29.2 K%, ugh) Seriously, WMB really has not done enough to automatically have a major league job. Middlebrooks still has options, its not like he needs to be on the 25 man roster.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 10, 2013 15:50:44 GMT -5
What I find amusing is that yesterday Farrell was talking about how he'd like WMB to gain some momentum, so he'll probably stay in AAA longer than expected, next day he's called up and Iggy is riding the bench. Awesome. Could he have a minor injury that he's resting? That would explain both parts of the situation.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 10, 2013 15:57:23 GMT -5
Finally, somebody who speaks my language. I have an even harder time sitting him in favor of the guy who is hitting 201/.234/.408 this year and has put up a -0.6 fWAR. (3.8 BB%/29.2 K%, ugh) Seriously, WMB really has not done enough to automatically have a major league job. Middlebrooks still has options, its not like he needs to be on the 25 man roster. Another guy who speaks my language. Sitting Iglesias right now is not productive for him, when he is finally showing that things are clicking for him at the plate (I know he has an extremely high BABIP, but lately he's been having great AB's, walking and even making hard contact) as an everyday player he gets benched in favor of a guy who hasn't proven that he deserves to be above AAA this year.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2013 15:58:45 GMT -5
Or it could be that this was not Farrell's call. Who knows, maybe they have come to the conclusion internally that Middlebrooks is a 6-4 version of Brandon Inge and are shopping him before other clubs believe the same thing. Or they could be seeing if he and or Drew can get it on track between now and July 31 or assess how they might move one of them. Or it could be a half dozen other things. I just don't like cooling off the hot hand.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 10, 2013 16:01:03 GMT -5
I know it's not sustainable etc. and I'm playing favorites but I have a real hard time sitting down a guy who is on a 13 game hitting streak especially when Drew has looked, uh, tired. Drew has a .345/.387/.655/.1042 line this month. The OPS is at 1.102 over the past 7 days. He's an ~.800 OPS player against RHP's who works the count deep consistently. That's not someone you take out of the lineup when you're facing a good right hander. I know Iglesias and Drew are the natural shortstops, but if you ask me, this battle is between Iglesias and Middlebrooks.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 10, 2013 16:02:55 GMT -5
Or it could be that this was not Farrell's call. Who knows, maybe they have come to the conclusion internally that Middlebrooks is a 6-4 version of Brandon Inge and are shopping him before other clubs believe the same thing. Or they could be seeing if he and or Drew can get it on track between now and July 31 or assess how they might move one of them. Or it could be a half dozen other things. I just don't like cooling off the hot hand. Dude. Am I missing something? Is this Drew hate coming just for the simple fact that he isn't Jose Iglesias? Because I'm not seeing any other justification. Is it because he strikes out a lot? His 26.4 K% is abnormally high for his standards, but he's also posting a pretty impressive 12.7 BB%.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 10, 2013 16:05:49 GMT -5
I know Iglesias and Drew are the natural shortstops, but if you ask me, this battle is between Iglesias and Middlebrooks. This. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2013 16:10:38 GMT -5
Or it could be that this was not Farrell's call. Who knows, maybe they have come to the conclusion internally that Middlebrooks is a 6-4 version of Brandon Inge and are shopping him before other clubs believe the same thing. Or they could be seeing if he and or Drew can get it on track between now and July 31 or assess how they might move one of them. Or it could be a half dozen other things. I just don't like cooling off the hot hand. Dude. Am I missing something? Is this Drew hate coming just for the simple fact that he isn't Jose Iglesias? Because I'm not seeing any other justification. Is it because he strikes out a lot? His 26.4 K% is abnormally high for his standards, but he's also posting a pretty impressive 12.7 BB%. Not Drew hate, but Jose love (well, that and the fact that Drew is gone no matter what after this year). Also I want to see him play SS where he adds more value in the field overall than 3rd. I have no idea what Middlebrooks will do but I too am puzzled why he didn't get, say 20 more at bats in AAA.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 10, 2013 16:16:36 GMT -5
Dude. Am I missing something? Is this Drew hate coming just for the simple fact that he isn't Jose Iglesias? Because I'm not seeing any other justification. Is it because he strikes out a lot? His 26.4 K% is abnormally high for his standards, but he's also posting a pretty impressive 12.7 BB%. Not Drew hate, but Jose love (well, that and the fact that Drew is gone no matter what after this year). Also I want to see him play SS where he adds more value in the field overall than 3rd. I have no idea what Middlebrooks will do but I too am puzzled why he didn't get, say 20 more at bats in AAA. I feel you, but I think it's fair to say Drew is certainly on track at the moment, and playing productively. I guess aiding my support of Drew is knowing that Iglesias is really a .280/.320/.390 player (at best), and that he'll cool off. Hatfield said a few days ago that he'd bet Drew posts the better OPS for the rest of the season, and I'm a pretty firm believer that that occurs myself. Iggy hasn't slowed down since Chris said that, but Drew's been close in terms of OPS (not so much average). I'm going to feel bad for WMB if he goes 0 for 4 with 3 K's tonight. People aren't going to give him much time to prove himself if Iggy and Drew remain productive.
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