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Post by bluechip on Jun 20, 2013 21:04:48 GMT -5
So Bailey has got to be hurt, right? I mean the fastball velocity to drop off midseason...
Anyway, Tazawa or Miller in the 9th going forward?
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 20, 2013 21:04:58 GMT -5
He is our closer - by Farrell.
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Post by bjb406 on Jun 20, 2013 21:05:45 GMT -5
taking bets on how much longer Bailey remains the closer, over/under 12 hours.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2013 21:06:04 GMT -5
I'd make him drive back to Pawtucket, too. Tonight. Scherzer and Verlander this weekend? The Sox best chance for a split just went over the fence courtesy of a leadoff walk to a .226 hitter and a meatball down the pipe. What a craphead.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 20, 2013 21:09:03 GMT -5
I am think Tazawa. Miller gets more strike outs, but he walks too many guys.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 20, 2013 21:10:00 GMT -5
No difference in closing as opposed to pitching the 7th or 8th eh?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 20, 2013 21:10:14 GMT -5
Add me to the chorus of people who have had enough of Andrew Bailey as closer. Nothing but walks and HRs, you just never know which order it's coming in. The Gods of FIP hate him. Can't have a closer who is wild but gets hammered once he's in the strike zone.
Uehara should be the closer, but the problem is he can't close on back-to-back days. It's almost like the Sox need to have a closer by committee on days Uehara wouldn't be available to close. What a disgusting loss.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 20, 2013 21:11:44 GMT -5
So Bailey has got to be hurt, right? I mean the fastball velocity to drop off midseason... Anyway, Tazawa or Miller in the 9th going forward?This is a question? It's utterly baffling to me that anyone is even considering Miller. For one he allows way too many baserunners for a closer. For another, you're taking a tactical lefty out of the pen. If you have Miller, you want to use him against lefties, not whoever happens to be batting in the 9th inning.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 20, 2013 21:11:57 GMT -5
No difference in closing as opposed to pitching the 8th or 9th eh? And this game shows what? Bailey was a "proven closer", an all star closer.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 20, 2013 21:13:23 GMT -5
No difference in closing as opposed to pitching the 7th or 8th eh? Because Bailey pitched a clean eighth tonight?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2013 21:14:56 GMT -5
@brianmacp: In his last five appearances, Bailey has walked five, allowed four home runs and has an ERA of 15.75.
Also who's the guy who said we don't really need a closer to hold a 1-run game? Really? Dude's blown two 1-run games in a row, and without some defensive wizardry on the Sox part and a total brain fart by some moron on the Orioles, he would've blown a 3-run lead on Saturday, too. I don't care what his large sample says, Bailey is not right at the present moment and he's either serving up walks or batting practice fastballs middle-middle.
Right now he's playing like his job is being the 10th man - for the other team.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 20, 2013 21:15:49 GMT -5
So Bailey has got to be hurt, right? I mean the fastball velocity to drop off midseason... Anyway, Tazawa or Miller in the 9th going forward?This is a question? It's utterly baffling to me that anyone is even considering Miller. For one he allows way too many baserunners for a closer. For another, you're taking a tactical lefty out of the pen. If you have Miller, you want to use him against lefties, not whoever happens to be batting in the 9th inning. He was warming up behind Bailey today. He is probably the third best reliever out there. Breslow is your LOOGY. Miller has been good against both righties and lefties. Billy Wagner was a relief ace and closer, he was not wasted as a lefty specialist. EDIT: I noted above Tazawa is my closer due to Miller's walks, but it should at least be considered.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 20, 2013 21:17:15 GMT -5
No difference in closing as opposed to pitching the 7th or 8th eh? Because Bailey pitched a clean eighth tonight? He compiled nearly all of his good stats as a set-up guy this year. He slides into the closer role and promptly blows 4/12.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2013 21:18:05 GMT -5
No difference in closing as opposed to pitching the 8th or 9th eh? And this game shows what? Bailey was a "proven closer", an all star closer. Operative word in your sentence being "was."
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Post by bluechip on Jun 20, 2013 21:20:53 GMT -5
Because Bailey pitched a clean eighth tonight? He compiled nearly all of his good stats as a set-up guy this year. He slides into the closer role and promptly blows 4/12. Yup that must be why Bailey has lost command of his fastball. Its not like he was a "proven closer" for years.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 20, 2013 21:22:33 GMT -5
Farrell is saying in his press conference is saying that there will be interal discussion about making a change at closer. And this game shows what? Bailey was a "proven closer", an all star closer. Operative word in your sentence being "was." Yup, but the move to the 9th is not why he is stinking.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 20, 2013 21:26:59 GMT -5
So far this season in games he didn't close.
10 1/3 IP 3 H 1R 1ER 4BB 14K
Closing time
12 IP 15H 9R 9ER 6BB 16K
He's either got incredibly back luck. 15 hits in 12 innings. As opposed to 3 in 10 1/3. Or, he just spits the bit when asked to close a game. Or more specifically, it's called choking. He can't handle the pressure.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jun 20, 2013 21:28:15 GMT -5
Rotoworld says Baileys out.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 20, 2013 21:29:15 GMT -5
I actually like Uehara for the 9th, but that's in my fantasyworld where Tazawa is allowed to face more than three batters and effective starting pitchers aren't pulled under 100 pitches.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 20, 2013 21:29:47 GMT -5
He compiled nearly all of his good stats as a set-up guy this year. He slides into the closer role and promptly blows 4/12. Yup that must be why Bailey has lost command of his fastball. Its not like he was a "proven closer" for years. Proven closer on a 2nd division team. How did he do in Boston last year? He's a choker. Send him to the Daniel Bard Finishing School.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 20, 2013 21:30:35 GMT -5
So far this season in games he didn't close. 10 1/3 IP 3 H 1R 1ER 4BB 14K Closing time 12 IP 15H 9R 9ER 6BB 16K He's either got incredibly back luck. 15 hits in 12 innings. As opposed to 3 in 10 1/3. Or, he just spits the bit when asked to close a game. Or more specifically, it's called choking. He can't handle the pressure. The splits are much more extreme if you do the before/after his DL stint, which, considering his loss in velocity is a much, much, much more likely explanation.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 20, 2013 21:31:28 GMT -5
Farrell is saying in his press conference is saying that there will be interal discussion about making a change at closer. Operative word in your sentence being "was." Yup, but the move to the 9th is not why he is stinking. Agreed. Pitchers (especially closers) who give up too many walks and too many homeruns generally stink. And I agree with Fenway about Miller. I can't stand pitchers that walk too many batters. He would be way too much of an adventure. Actually I think Breslow would be a better option than Miller. Frankly the guy that I would trust would be Uehara. He gives up more homers than I like but he doesn't beat himself. His K/BB ratio is phenomonal. The Red Sox might have to acquire a highly effective middle reliever (Jesse Crain perhaps?) capable of closing to help Uehara. It would probably cost them a guy like Alex Wilson in a deal, but they may have to consider it. The problem with the Sox pen is that only Tazawa, Breslow, and Uehara throw strikes. The rest of the pen doesn't exactly have pinpoint command.
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Post by semperfisox on Jun 20, 2013 21:33:05 GMT -5
LOL Bailey
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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2013 21:35:00 GMT -5
Farrell is saying in his press conference is saying that there will be interal discussion about making a change at closer. Operative word in your sentence being "was." Yup, but the move to the 9th is not why he is stinking. I never said it was. I just said he stinks. DL him, bring up Rubby and get him some 7th inning work while Bailey gets right, and slot someone else who can get batters out to pitch the 9th.Bailey's control is off, his velo is down and his fastball in the zone plays like a ball on a tee to the opposition. He's a mess.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 20, 2013 21:42:01 GMT -5
I like this interview:
Reporter: John could you have gone further? Lackey: [NODDING HEAD] Oh yeah! ... yeah..
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