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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2013 21:51:31 GMT -5
Another very good start by Lackey wasted. No Buchholz and Sox now have to face Fister, Scherzer and Verlander? Boston will be lucky to slide out of here with a win by Sunday. Just disgusting. Losing a game you lost is one thing, but giving away a game that was in hand just burns.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 20, 2013 22:01:50 GMT -5
Bailey's really bad.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 20, 2013 22:13:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if the Red Sox straight up released this turd.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 22:31:42 GMT -5
I can't believe the Red Sox scored only two runs off the Jose Alvarez. Who? Exactly. Second, Andrew Bailey clearly can't close. Why did he even get the opportunity tonight? He has two recent saves opportunities and almost a third. Third, Napoli has 97 strikeouts in only 255 at-bats. At this rate, his strike-outs will well exceed 200. He could grab the record if he continues.
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Post by pokeefe363 on Jun 20, 2013 22:57:42 GMT -5
Farrell is saying in his press conference is saying that there will be interal discussion about making a change at closer. Yup, but the move to the 9th is not why he is stinking. I never said it was. I just said he stinks. DL him, bring up Rubby and get him some 7th inning work while Bailey gets right, and slot someone else who can get batters out to pitch the 9th.Bailey's control is off, his velo is down and his fastball in the zone plays like a ball on a tee to the opposition. He's a mess. I've been saying this for a while. We should treat Rubby the way the Cards treated Wainwright. We have a guy who throws 100 and has pretty good command. How is he not in the pen possibly building up to being our closer down the stretch? I'd like to see more opportunities given to the young guys actually. Tazawa and Uehara are my only go-to's right now.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 20, 2013 23:04:38 GMT -5
Because Bailey pitched a clean eighth tonight? He compiled nearly all of his good stats as a set-up guy this year. He slides into the closer role and promptly blows 4/12. F'n correlation and causation, how do they work?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2013 23:29:07 GMT -5
Because Bailey pitched a clean eighth tonight? He compiled nearly all of his good stats as a set-up guy this year. He slides into the closer role and promptly blows 4/12. Just a guess that he wouldn't have pitched too well in the last couple weeks if he was pitching in any inning. Even if he was in AAA. There's something wrong physically or mechanically. He's not locating his fastball and it has dropped in velocity. Point being - I don't think it's just choking. Pressure doesn't make your fastball slower.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2013 23:31:20 GMT -5
Lackey is clearly our #2 starter this year. He has far, far exceeded expectations even though no one had any other than hoping he wasn't as bad as he was in 2011.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 20, 2013 23:49:08 GMT -5
Pressure doesn't make your fastball slower. The ninth inning is magic and effects pitchers in whatever way most conveniently perpetuates the stupid "closer" mythology.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2013 23:59:31 GMT -5
Personally, I'm all for Miller taking over as closer. He comes in with the bases empty in the 9th so walks aren't a huge issue especially with his ability to get K's. He doesn't give up a lot of home runs. He's just as good against RH, if not better so you're really not losing a LH specialist. We still have Morales and Breslow anyway. Morales is barely being used as it is.
Judging by the fact that Miller was up warming in case Bailey got in trouble in the 9th, I think this might be how Farrell may be leaning too.
Then there's the chance he'll go on a BB rampage next week and I'll be yelling to DFA him again as I love to overreact like most Sox fans.
Also, I agree with some that RDLR is our closer of the future.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 21, 2013 0:03:18 GMT -5
Then there's the chance he'll go on a BB rampage next week and I'll be yelling to DFA him again as I love to overreact like most Sox fans. If by "chance" you mean "near certainty", yes.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 21, 2013 0:09:23 GMT -5
Iggy 1-3, 3B, BB, R
Say what you want, but kid continues to do positive things when he's playing.
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Post by jfizznet on Jun 21, 2013 1:25:31 GMT -5
I'd go up to Ruby and say, Ruby. How would you like to be an absolute star? And start grooming him for the spot. Now.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 21, 2013 7:02:45 GMT -5
I never said it was. I just said he stinks. DL him, bring up Rubby and get him some 7th inning work while Bailey gets right, and slot someone else who can get batters out to pitch the 9th.Bailey's control is off, his velo is down and his fastball in the zone plays like a ball on a tee to the opposition. He's a mess. I've been saying this for a while. We should treat Rubby the way the Cards treated Wainwright. We have a guy who throws 100 and has pretty good command. How is he not in the pen possibly building up to being our closer down the stretch? I'd like to see more opportunities given to the young guys actually. Tazawa and Uehara are my only go-to's right now. I am so glad I am not the only one thinking this. I don't understand why we can't have RDLR just help in the pen this year. Farrell is to committed to the veterans. Between Bailey and Drew. Possibly Gomes sometimes. This is the only real beef I have with this guy.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 21, 2013 7:37:43 GMT -5
I also believe that Andrew Miller is a good choice to replace Bailey at least until another alternative pops up. Uehara is doing a great job where he is at, and they are not wanting to use him very often on back to back games. Tazawa worries me a little in this role.
Miller? His problem is throwing strikes consistently. He is better than previous years, but still a concern. BUT no one currently on our staff has his ability to over-power a line-up like him. It may be time to see if we can trust him more.
Breslow would throw strikes, be tough on lefties, and probably handle the stress............but I like where Miller is at with respect to pitching and experience.
I think the idea of putting De La Rosa in to a closer role in AAA is a good one. He is on an innings limit this year anyway. Train him and use him in late July if necessary. But definitely put Bailey in the 7th inning role.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 21, 2013 8:36:22 GMT -5
Pressure doesn't make your fastball slower. The ninth inning is magic and effects pitchers in whatever way most conveniently perpetuates the stupid "closer" mythology. Know what's magical - leaving fat chilli peppers out over the plate to a guy who can drive the ball after you walk a .226 hitter on 5 pitches. Know what they magically become in any inning? Runs. It's not the 9th or 1st. It's that Bailey's control is off, his velo is down and he's serving up juicy softballs for any MLB hitter who happens to be at the plate when he's pitching. And yes, we all know a correlation does not equal a cause and effect relationship. We also know that since he's come off the DL, Bailey's not been the pitcher his statistical history says he should be. One can use both induction and deduction to prove that, as well as video and balls ending up in the seats.
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Post by station13 on Jun 21, 2013 11:30:27 GMT -5
Koji should close for the Sox. He knows how to get hitters out. I think he only gave up 1HR in save opportunity this season, the rest were in garbage time getting work in.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 21, 2013 13:11:11 GMT -5
I agree with you that Uehara profiles best as a closer because he's a one-inning guy and might be crazy. But for whatever it's worth, all four of the home runs he's allowed have been in one-run or two-run games.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 21, 2013 13:51:06 GMT -5
Uehara is also a fly ball pitcher. May just be me but I've never been a big fan of fly ball guys closing unless they throw big twitching heat.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 21, 2013 14:09:44 GMT -5
The ninth inning is magic and effects pitchers in whatever way most conveniently perpetuates the stupid "closer" mythology. Know what's magical - leaving fat chilli peppers out over the plate to a guy who can drive the ball after you walk a .226 hitter on 5 pitches. Know what they magically become in any inning? Runs. It's not the 9th or 1st. It's that Bailey's control is off, his velo is down and he's serving up juicy softballs for any MLB hitter who happens to be at the plate when he's pitching. And yes, we all know a correlation does not equal a cause and effect relationship. We also know that since he's come off the DL, Bailey's not been the pitcher his statistical history says he should be. One can use both induction and deduction to prove that, as well as video and balls ending up in the seats. Dude, I get that Bailey has been bad recently. I'm not defending his performance. I'm just attacking the notion that if a guy is bad in the ninth inning, then clearly the only explanation is that he doesn't have "closer mentality". Effective setup guys fall apart all the time, no one blames it on them not having setup guy mentality.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 21, 2013 14:10:02 GMT -5
Uehara is also a fly ball pitcher. May just be me but I've never been a big fan of fly ball guys closing unless they throw big twitching heat. Let's face it. The likelihood of any of these guys being the closer come trading deadline is small. Uehara doesn't throw hard enough IMO and, if you guess right, the ball can leave the yard. Tazawa profiles best. He's 94 with very good control and three pitches. I just don't know if he has the make-up.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 21, 2013 14:15:27 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm still really baffled by the notion that you have to throw hard to pitch in the ninth. Rivera tops out at 93 and frequently works in the high 80s, Joakim Soria had a pretty fantastic run with a low 90s fastball, the Giants just won a World Series with a closer who averaged 87.7 MPH on his fastball...
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 21, 2013 14:18:45 GMT -5
Uehara is also a fly ball pitcher. May just be me but I've never been a big fan of fly ball guys closing unless they throw big twitching heat. Let's face it. The likelihood of any of these guys being the closer come trading deadline is small. Uehara doesn't throw hard enough IMO and, if you guess right, the ball can leave the yard. Tazawa profiles best. He's 94 with very good control and three pitches. I just don't know if he has the make-up. His fastball fools people. Not being able to pitch back to back games much is the problem.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 21, 2013 14:26:10 GMT -5
His fastball fools people. Not being able to pitch back to back games much is the problem. No, the problem is that managers are so ridiculously orthodox about the closer thing that using Tazawa or Bailey or whoever on days that Uehara can't pitch is unthinkable.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 21, 2013 14:28:57 GMT -5
His fastball fools people. Not being able to pitch back to back games much is the problem. No, the problem is that managers are so ridiculously orthodox about the closer thing that using Tazawa or Bailey or whoever on days that Uehara can't pitch is unthinkable. I agree with that. I'm talking how things are, not how they should be.
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