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Post by jimed14 on Jun 27, 2013 21:12:32 GMT -5
I remain baffled that the organization thinks Webster will just wake up and magically figure everything out, especially at the major league level. I retain a less than dental floss thin strand of hope he proves me completely wrong and does just that. I'd still feel like a win is more possible if they were pitching Aceves instead. Also I thought Webster was slated for Friday and they were giving Felix an extra day of rest? Regardless, need to win 3 here, which means time for Lester to stop dicking around staring at umpires and start hitting the mitt wherever the catcher holds it. Webster has better strikeout and walk numbers than Aceves this year, as well as far better stuff and upside. Aceves has been lucky on balls in play, and it's all smoke and mirrors with him. I am far more confident in Webster than I am in Aceves. EDIT: Here are their stats as starting pitchers so far this year: linkI've been saying the same thing. If they continue pitching the same way, I bet their ERAs normalize to an equal level. And Webster just has to limit his mistakes to get better. As of now, his mistakes end up as grand slams where Aceves' mistakes end up as double plays. Slight exaggeration but the point remains. |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 27, 2013 21:17:11 GMT -5
So, everyone who believes that relievers should be used "correctly", you'll want to make a note of what just went down. Tazawa, arguably the best reliever they have, was put into a very high leverage situation. And while he didn't escape unscathed, that was probably one of the better outcomes you could expect. Credit to the Red Sox. While I'd rather just scrap the closer thing entirely, within the framework of things that are realistically going to happen, they've put these guys in the right rolls. I used to be of the opinion that match-ups we the way to go for most relief situations, but over the last few year, hearing relievers repeatedly saying they prefer to have defined roles, I've come around to the need for a "closer."" I keep forgetting how much baseball players are more often than not creatures of habit and rituals. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 27, 2013 21:21:43 GMT -5
(1) Most of that track record was in relief. Aceves' career marks as a starting pitcher: 77.2 IP, 4.87 K/9, 4.87 BB/9, 4.29 ERA, 5.52 FIP, 5.49 xFIP. Not so good. (2) Even looking at his combined career stats, he's been lucky to outperform his peripherals. 4.38 FIP, 4.55 xFIP. The guy is just not a very good pitcher. (3) Like I alluded to earlier, if you believe that small-sample-size ERA results based on abnormally low BABIP is more predictive than advanced metrics, we're speaking two different languages here and continued discussion is unlikely to be productive. So, you're assessment on Aceves career is that he's lucky. That's rich. You're right. No sense in taking this any further. Yes. Anyone with a 4.29 ERA and 5.52 FIP is lucky. Lackey in 2011 had a 6.41 ERA and a 4.71 FIP. |
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Post by jmei on Jun 27, 2013 21:28:57 GMT -5
Credit to the Red Sox. While I'd rather just scrap the closer thing entirely, within the framework of things that are realistically going to happen, they've put these guys in the right rolls. I used to be of the opinion that match-ups we the way to go for most relief situations, but over the last few year, hearing relievers repeatedly saying they prefer to have defined roles, I've come around to the need for a "closer."" I keep forgetting how much baseball players are more often than not creatures of habit and rituals. This is essentially my opinion on the subject as well. |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 27, 2013 22:06:55 GMT -5
Lester on the Globe's site:
“I feel fine now,“ he added. “Walking off the field it kind of stayed with me a little bit. After the doctor looked at it, I started to feel normal. Hopefully that will carry over tomorrow and I won’t have to worry about it.”
Hopefully completely accurate. That was the best he's looked in 5 weeks.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2013 18:16:25 GMT -5
Awesome start for Webster. I hope he proves all my fears about his readiness completely wrong.
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Post by gatortough on Jun 28, 2013 18:21:17 GMT -5
He looks so much calmer than he did last time out. He didn't shed the nerves last game until it was too late. Hope he can keep that rolling
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Post by semperfisox on Jun 28, 2013 19:32:00 GMT -5
Drew hurt, call up Xander.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 28, 2013 19:35:51 GMT -5
Drew hurt, call up Xander. How badly? |
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Post by marrcus on Jun 28, 2013 19:39:23 GMT -5
"How badly?"
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He looks good walking off. Maybe felt something pull or tighten between 1-2b. I doubt it's a DL situation.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 28, 2013 19:42:37 GMT -5
Awesome start for Webster. I hope he proves all my fears about his readiness completely wrong. Hey Guidas, looks like we've got some crow to eat tonight. Webster mowing em down in Boston, and Aceves getting lit up. You gonna go with ketchup or bbq sauce? I think I'll just add the ketchup. Ha ha Our lineup is looking relentless. Knocked out another pretty good pitcher very early 3 1/3 from Josh Johnson. Hope Stephen just tweaked his hammy. Would like to give Xander some more time in AAA. And, Drew is starting to heat up. |
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2013 19:44:58 GMT -5
"How badly?" -------------- He looks good walking off. Maybe felt something pull or tighten between 1-2b. I doubt it's a DL situation. I thought he was walking very gingerly went he walked off the field. Wouldn't surprise me if he went on the DL-- looked like a hamstring strain, and you don't want those to linger. |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2013 19:54:10 GMT -5
Awesome start for Webster. I hope he proves all my fears about his readiness completely wrong. Hey Guidas, looks like we've got some crow to eat tonight. Webster mowing em down in Boston, and Aceves getting lit up. You gonna go with ketchup or bbq sauce? I think I'll just add the ketchup. Ha ha Looks like barbeque sauce for me on the crow, but only becuase the two super models I'm with want to save the whipped cream for later. Always glad to eat crow or even a shit sandwich if it means the Sox are winning. And I will repeat, Webster has looked good tonight. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 28, 2013 20:03:23 GMT -5
Hey Guidas, looks like we've got some crow to eat tonight. Webster mowing em down in Boston, and Aceves getting lit up. You gonna go with ketchup or bbq sauce? I think I'll just add the ketchup. Ha ha Looks like barbeque sauce for me on the crow, but only becuase the two super models I'm with want to save the whipped cream for later. Always glad to eat crow or even a shit sandwich if it means the Sox are winning. And I will repeat, Webster has looked good tonight. He got a little out of whack there in the 5th. Didn't exactly get knocked around. Only awful pitch was 0-2 hanging curve to Encarnacion. 3rd best pitch to strike someone out on? Come on Salty, that should be a change-up in the dirt. Hope they send him out in the 6th with a couple of righties coming up; Errencibia and Davis |
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2013 20:14:59 GMT -5
Yeah, even in the fifth, he wasn't exactly giving up super hard contact. A few well-placed ground balls and soft liners.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 28, 2013 20:15:24 GMT -5
Is Andrew Bailey on the Matt Albers diet? My lord, he's looking rather chunky.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 28, 2013 20:19:17 GMT -5
This is the scouting drivel that MLB.com Gameday Scout provides -
Dangerous count for Allen Webster; Maicer Izturis is a dead-red fastball hitter, with a .719 OPS against them this season and .608 against everything else.
OMG - a .719 OPS. And it's SO much better than his .608 OPS against non FB's.
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2013 20:20:15 GMT -5
Webster struggles to control his fastball to his glove side because it has such extreme tailing action (also why I think he has so many HBP-- when he tries to work inside against lefties with his fastball, if it doesn't tail enough, it's going to plunk the hitter). The fact that his changeup is his best pitch doesn't help, since it has similar tailing action away from lefties. He might be well-served to learn a cutter so he can go inside on lefties more effectively.
Also: Bailey in a one-run game? To presumably face the top of the order? Has Farrell learned nothing?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 28, 2013 20:24:25 GMT -5
The only notably bad pitch I saw Webster throw was that 0-2 curve to Encarnacion that GBB mentioned - it was belt-high and just rolled. He got a little lucky with that, but otherwise an outing with more positives than negatives.
EDIT: It doesn't count when you blow a game in the seventh, remember?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 28, 2013 20:26:15 GMT -5
I thought Webster looked great tonight... even better than the hits/runs would indicate. He had a 14-5 GB-FB ratio and really showed some nasty stuff. He didn't allow any extra base hits either. The Jays were able to string together a bunch of singles in the 5th and they manufactured a run in the 6th.
This is exactly why you don't look at things like ERA over a three game sample to decide who you should send out there next. Webster is a better pitcher than Aceves. Period.
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2013 20:32:55 GMT -5
Ellsbury is the slowest fast guy in the league. He's the opposite of Iglesias-- he is often off-balance as he makes contact and gets out of the batter's box so slowly that he doesn't beat out as many infield hits or double plays as he ought to.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2013 20:34:29 GMT -5
OK, I gotta say it - Bailey here? Now?
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2013 20:38:19 GMT -5
I said it 10 minutes ago, and I was right. Goddamnit.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 28, 2013 20:39:43 GMT -5
First two batters looked like a different (or old?) Bailey.
He's just SO susceptible to the long ball, he kills us.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2013 20:39:54 GMT -5
And that's how you piss away the last shreds of a 5 run lead. Really, what is Farrell trying to prove here?
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