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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 2, 2013 20:30:57 GMT -5
That's why you trade Iglesias.... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2013 20:34:21 GMT -5
Nice shot Drew.
Salty nutted that ball. Out in about 27 other parks.
And down in Clearwater, Tampa be losing. Opportunity time.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 2, 2013 20:35:23 GMT -5
Doesn't count. He's a streaky hitter. Streaky hitters don't help you win ballgames.
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Post by jmei on Aug 2, 2013 20:36:47 GMT -5
God, can we just win this game already?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 2, 2013 20:38:59 GMT -5
Should have re-signed Cody Ross I guess
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Post by station13 on Aug 2, 2013 20:39:00 GMT -5
Cody Ross ,really?
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2013 20:41:25 GMT -5
People need to chill about Lester. He had 4 good starts out of last 5, but supposedly this is his definition. Why I wanted them to fly Peavy in on JH's jet on Tues, start him Thurs, go once through with a 6 man rotation with Workman, that way you get two turns with extra rest for all THEN decide if Workman goes to the pen or Dempster needs a DL stint. Anyway...
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 2, 2013 20:52:14 GMT -5
Can this team really count of Lester and Buccholz for 200 inning per next year? Quality innings? Lester is mediocre at best these days. Lester is likely to pitch 30 plus starts and 200 innings. The quality question is tougher. His stuff isn't as good as a few years ago, so less room for mistakes. Buccholz still has great stuff but not likely to have his first 200 inning year at this stage of his career.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2013 21:14:19 GMT -5
Tazawa looked good in that appearance. Good location, velo better.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 2, 2013 21:39:46 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 2, 2013 21:44:11 GMT -5
Also, Victorino doesn't hit righty pitching and Mike Carp is on the bench... whatever. Why pinch hit when you can do nothing? Honestly, why even have bench players if you're not going to use them? Just go with a 15 man bullpen and be done with it.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2013 21:47:19 GMT -5
That was pathetic by Holt. Have to make contact there.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 2, 2013 22:06:58 GMT -5
Played winning baseball there.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 2, 2013 22:12:34 GMT -5
Maureen Mullen ?@maureenamullen 23s Beato in Farrell's office with door closed. #RedSoxTalk
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Post by station13 on Aug 2, 2013 22:31:40 GMT -5
phantom dl?
Any update on Alex Wilson? His month vacation should be up by now.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 2, 2013 22:39:35 GMT -5
Knock it off with this 3b crap. Enough is enough.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 2, 2013 23:49:27 GMT -5
Brendan McGair ?@bwmcgair03 2m Jose Contreras and Ryan Rowland-Smith are on the #pawsox bus that is heading to Buffalo. #redsox
strange....
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 3, 2013 7:13:13 GMT -5
Knock it off with this 3b crap. Enough is enough. This. Does anyone really think it is worth it to keep playing the Holt/Snyder combo at 3rd base?. The Red Sox got no production out of that position for July. Shouldn't the object be to go for the division title and avoid the one game wildcard playoff? The black hole needs to be addressed now by calling up Bogaerts. Losing Snyder and his .257 obp will not be a great loss.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 3, 2013 7:38:20 GMT -5
Hell, I'd take Middlebrooks attjis point if tehy want to wait til Sept 1 with Xander. Anything's better than this.
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Post by baseballguy350 on Aug 3, 2013 8:30:01 GMT -5
RDLR up for Beato per numerous media reports. Best of luck to the kid!
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Post by godot on Aug 3, 2013 10:51:14 GMT -5
Bull pen depleted (again)and they may not have other viable options, as he really hasn't shown much of late.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 3, 2013 11:10:59 GMT -5
Bull pen depleted (again)and they may not have other viable options, as he really hasn't shown much of late. MLB really has to look at how they train relievers at the big league level. A pitcher spends 5-7 years trying to become a starter. The ones that don't make it end up in relief. Within one year of that transition, they are incapable of pitching more than an inning. WTF? Alex Wilson is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I have zero scientific evidence. But, I would think it's easier to warm up and pitch 45x in a season at two innings for 90 innings. Than 70-80 times for 70-80 innings. They're not going to get rid of the closer, set-up guy and lefty. So, you have 3 relievers there. I'd like to develop 4 guys who can pitch at minimum two innings. Unless they are getting shelled. Preferably, 2 righties and 2 lefties but not necessarily the case. It's a waste of a roster spot to have a Loogy and another lefty who can only pitch 1 inning tops. Or, some fat bastard who chain smokes and drinks 18 beers a day. MLB has to focus on fitness and training more with the amount of money these guys make. The f'n PGA tour is in better shape than most pitchers!! The Sox could almost do this next year. Your 3 specialists; Uehara, Tazawa(Maybe Workman) and Andrew Miller. Your four 2 inning guys; Breslow, Britton, Workman and DeLa Rosa(possibly). Try to avoid at all costs letting prospects only pitching one inning. It seems that it doesn't matter whether you throw 8 pitches or 33. An inning is an inning. You have to come out. Sorry for rant. Our roster juggling has been borderline absurd because of this. Pawtucket probably has a turnstile instead of a door in their locker room.
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Post by danr on Aug 3, 2013 11:28:53 GMT -5
Mike Timlin, where are you?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 3, 2013 11:51:34 GMT -5
Bull pen depleted (again)and they may not have other viable options, as he really hasn't shown much of late. MLB really has to look at how they train relievers at the big league level. A pitcher spends 5-7 years trying to become a starter. The ones that don't make it end up in relief. Within one year of that transition, they are incapable of pitching more than an inning. WTF? Alex Wilson is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I have zero scientific evidence. But, I would think it's easier to warm up and pitch 45x in a season at two innings for 90 innings. Than 70-80 times for 70-80 innings. I've ranted about this before but I think the bigger problem isn't with guys like Wilson, it's with guys like Aroldis Chapman and Neftali Feliz. When you take a guy with starter upside and you put him into a roll where he throws 90% fastballs, one secondary pitch, and works 15 pitches at a time, you're not helping the guy become a starter. You're not building a starter's skillset. Baseball has essentially defined two rolls that a pitcher can be used in, the 100 pitch roll and the 15 pitch roll, for no real reason that I can see. It's not like anyone ever did a study showing that those are the two best ways to preserve guy's arms or anything. On the contrary, relievers get hurt all the time. It's just an accident of history as far as I can see. And there's significant downside to this situation. For one, it requires using a ton of roster space for pitching staffs that still seem to be constantly overtaxed. For another, because there isn't any middle ground between these two rolls, it's difficult for pitchers to move from one to the other, particularly once they're in the bullpen. I worry about a guy like Brandon Workman. In a sane world that guy would become a 2-3 inning reliever who saves your bullpen in a four run ballgame or whatever, but that's not what's going to happen. He's going to pitch one inning in that four run ballgame, look good, then he'll be taken out for no particular reason so that some other guy can come in, give up a couple runs, and force the closer into the game. Meanwhile if you ever want Workman to be a starter again, he's moving farther away from being able to do that when he's throwing 15 pitches at a time. There's no reason you could use him in that effective long reliever roll other than... well, it's baseball, and we just don't do that.
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Post by charliezink16 on Aug 3, 2013 12:09:41 GMT -5
Bull pen depleted (again)and they may not have other viable options, as he really hasn't shown much of late. MLB really has to look at how they train relievers at the big league level. A pitcher spends 5-7 years trying to become a starter. The ones that don't make it end up in relief. Within one year of that transition, they are incapable of pitching more than an inning. WTF? Alex Wilson is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I have zero scientific evidence. But, I would think it's easier to warm up and pitch 45x in a season at two innings for 90 innings. Than 70-80 times for 70-80 innings. They're not going to get rid of the closer, set-up guy and lefty. So, you have 3 relievers there. I'd like to develop 4 guys who can pitch at minimum two innings. Unless they are getting shelled. Preferably, 2 righties and 2 lefties but not necessarily the case. It's a waste of a roster spot to have a Loogy and another lefty who can only pitch 1 inning tops. Or, some fat bastard who chain smokes and drinks 18 beers a day. MLB has to focus on fitness and training more with the amount of money these guys make. The f'n PGA tour is in better shape than most pitchers!! The Sox could almost do this next year. Your 3 specialists; Uehara, Tazawa(Maybe Workman) and Andrew Miller. Your four 2 inning guys; Breslow, Britton, Workman and DeLa Rosa(possibly). Try to avoid at all costs letting prospects only pitching one inning. It seems that it doesn't matter whether you throw 8 pitches or 33. An inning is an inning. You have to come out. Sorry for rant. Our roster juggling has been borderline absurd because of this. Pawtucket probably has a turnstile instead of a door in their locker room. Couldn't agree more. It's so idiotic that pitchers are either assigned to pitch 6+IP or 1IP.
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