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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2013 7:57:27 GMT -5
" I doubt that he made this decision." -------------------------------------- Farrell should have made clear that they had a 2-0 lead and there was no need to disrupt things in the second inning with aroid coming to bat. If he didn't, he wasn't managing. I'm sorry, but this isn't how Major League Baseball works. A manager doesn't need to tell his pitcher "don't hit someone on the other team." It's not like he gives him a pep talk before every inning. |
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 19, 2013 8:03:26 GMT -5
Here we go.... One more bad loss and all we hear is "the sky is falling, this team isn't that good" sack up.
This is one of the best teams in baseball. Are they flawed? yes, but so is every team in the league. It's a long season. they go through a lot of ups and downs, some of you act like this is the first season of baseball you've ever watched.
This team will win the division.
They called up Xander, they called up Ross. Buchholz should be ready sooner or later. Yeah Farrell has made some boneheaded moves, but a manager only counts for maybe 5 wins/losses. The rest is on the players.
They beaned Arod so what. that isn't why they lost. They lost because Dempster sucks balls. Pedro used to bean batters for stepping out and calling a late time out. Bob Gibson used to bean batters for looking at him funny. It happens and the fact that it was A-rod is even better. Call me when the Yankees move out of 4th place, if you think they're are gonna rally around the guy who's basically calling his manager a liar you're nuts.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 19, 2013 8:06:39 GMT -5
This is only the 3rd game all year where I woke of the next morning and was still pissed off.
I usually don't bash Farrell, but after they came back the idea that we'll try to squeeze another inning out of Dempster (who should've been run in the 2nd inning anyway) was beyond absurd. And then to leave him out there after the HR and what would've been a double or more in any other park by Nunez was just a lack of preparedness, deer-in-the-headlights panic, or outright stupidity. Not only do I hate losing winnable games, losing them to the Yankees at home foments a putridity that lingers for days.
That is the third series in a row this team has lost. Not a good sign. Does anyone believe that Dempster is a better starter than Workman at this point? They should DL Dempster if his fragile ego can't take being moved to the pen.
As for the moves, I applaud the Xander call-up, though I thought he should've been up for the Houston series to platoon with Drew. But (hopefully) better late than September.
I have little faith in David Ross and to be honest I would DFA'd him. If they don't like Lavarnway, which seems to be the case, then send him down and bring up Butler whose defensive skills are superior to Lavarnway and Salty.
Sox need to win four games or more this week. Anyone feel confident that'll be a reality come this time next Monday?
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Post by Guidas on Aug 19, 2013 8:08:10 GMT -5
" I doubt that he made this decision." -------------------------------------- Farrell should have made clear that they had a 2-0 lead and there was no need to disrupt things in the second inning with aroid coming to bat. If he didn't, he wasn't managing. I'm sorry, but this isn't how Major League Baseball works. A manager doesn't need to tell his pitcher "don't hit someone on the other team." It's not like he gives him a pep talk before every inning. No, but a manager can say - and many do - "I'm the only one on this team who decides who gets plunked and when. Period." |
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 19, 2013 8:17:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this isn't how Major League Baseball works. A manager doesn't need to tell his pitcher "don't hit someone on the other team." It's not like he gives him a pep talk before every inning. No, but a manager can say - and many do - "I'm the only one on this team who decides who gets plunked and when. Period." How many times have you personally heard a manager say this? |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 19, 2013 9:14:59 GMT -5
Read about it over the years in obvious and not so obvious terms for Francona, Girardi, Maddon, and LaRussa. Earl Weaver also wrote about it in his book. Not sure who else lays down the law on this. I would guess there are more than just these guys.
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Post by charliezink16 on Aug 19, 2013 9:35:32 GMT -5
Here we go.... One more bad loss and all we hear is "the sky is falling, this team isn't that good" sack up. This is one of the best teams in baseball. Are they flawed? yes, but so is every team in the league. It's a long season. they go through a lot of ups and downs, some of you act like this is the first season of baseball you've ever watched. This team will win the division. They called up Xander, they called up Ross. Buchholz should be ready sooner or later. Yeah Farrell has made some boneheaded moves, but a manager only counts for maybe 5 wins/losses. The rest is on the players. They beaned Arod so what. that isn't why they lost. They lost because Dempster sucks balls. Pedro used to bean batters for stepping out and calling a late time out. Bob Gibson used to bean batters for looking at him funny. It happens and the fact that it was A-rod is even better. Call me when the Yankees move out of 4th place, if you think they're are gonna rally around the guy who's basically calling his manager a liar you're nuts. This x10 |
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 19, 2013 11:00:04 GMT -5
I have little faith in David Ross and to be honest I would DFA'd him. If they don't like Lavarnway, which seems to be the case, then send him down and bring up Butler whose defensive skills are superior to Lavarnway and Salty. This is just stupid. Ross is one of the top defensive catchers in the league and has proven he can hit at an acceptable rate at the major league level. Butler may also be a good defensive catcher but there is no proof he would be better than Ross and it's almost certain he wouldn't hit half as well. |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 19, 2013 12:00:32 GMT -5
Not stupid after 3 concussions - and the last two in rapid succession. That is my only reason. The guy gets a sharp foul off the mask he'll go down again. And each one can compromise things like depth perception/eye hand incrementally. At the very least I would've done the best I could to stretch him out to Sept 1.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 19, 2013 12:17:29 GMT -5
No, but a manager can say - and many do - "I'm the only one on this team who decides who gets plunked and when. Period." How many times have you personally heard a manager say this? Try telling that to Ryne Duren, who would unload his 1st pitch above the backstop on some occasions and then sometimes then nail the opponent if he felt like it. Then he had an excuse for those who remember and feel like googling it up.. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2013 12:49:37 GMT -5
Not stupid after 3 concussions - and the last two in rapid succession. That is my only reason. The guy gets a sharp foul off the mask he'll go down again. And each one can compromise things like depth perception/eye hand incrementally. At the very least I would've done the best I could to stretch him out to Sept 1. But here's the thing: if he weren't healthy yet, they'd have kept him on the 60-day and he wouldn't have even been taking up a roster spot. Release him and you're on the hook for his contract. If he goes on the DL again, you call up Lavarnway or Butler. It's pretty simple. There is no reason to release a guy who you have signed through next season for the likes of Butler, who has hit well for a two-month in Triple-A and was hitting .193 before that. That is absolutely nuts. |
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 19, 2013 12:50:48 GMT -5
Read about it over the years in obvious and not so obvious terms for Francona, Girardi, Maddon, and LaRussa. Earl Weaver also wrote about it in his book. Not sure who else lays down the law on this. I would guess there are more than just these guys. Then link them. I would love to read about them but haven't been able to find them myself. |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 19, 2013 13:54:09 GMT -5
Not stupid after 3 concussions - and the last two in rapid succession. That is my only reason. The guy gets a sharp foul off the mask he'll go down again. And each one can compromise things like depth perception/eye hand incrementally. At the very least I would've done the best I could to stretch him out to Sept 1. But here's the thing: if he weren't healthy yet, they'd have kept him on the 60-day and he wouldn't have even been taking up a roster spot. Release him and you're on the hook for his contract. If he goes on the DL again, you call up Lavarnway or Butler. It's pretty simple. There is no reason to release a guy who you have signed through next season for the likes of Butler, who has hit well for a two-month in Triple-A and was hitting .193 before that. That is absolutely nuts. That's going to be dead money either way. I sadly think Ross will be a more of a liability going forward than an asset. I was hoping they'd try to talk him into retiring. And it's obvious Farrell is no fan of Lavarnway so why not bring up Butler (if Ross was let go). |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 19, 2013 14:11:38 GMT -5
Read about it over the years in obvious and not so obvious terms for Francona, Girardi, Maddon, and LaRussa. Earl Weaver also wrote about it in his book. Not sure who else lays down the law on this. I would guess there are more than just these guys. Then link them. I would love to read about them but haven't been able to find them myself. Go ahead an knock yourself out. I am not going to look up every baseball article I've read over the past 6 years. You can always read Weaver's autobiography or Buzz Bissinger's 3 Nights in August which should get you through Weaver and LaRussa just fine. And if you don't believe me then drive on, I won't be offended. |
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Post by marrcus on Aug 19, 2013 15:45:20 GMT -5
" like he gives him a pep talk before every inning."
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Yup. But these were special circumstances.
A cement head who is on record as wanting to hit arod (Nat. TV, P may be tossed, leaving the next day, potential fights, throwing in retaliation at Pedroia, Ortiz,).
Yeah I would have said something. Like don't do it now.
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Post by jmei on Aug 19, 2013 21:37:57 GMT -5
Moved some throwing at ARod posts to its own thread in the Off-Topic Forum.
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