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Masahiro Tanaka (1/22 update: to NYY for 7/$155m)
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 4, 2013 18:06:42 GMT -5
Bill Shaikin ?@billshaikin 2m Posting proposal: Player can negotiate with all teams that make max bid for rights. That means: FA bidding war!
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 4, 2013 18:11:01 GMT -5
Interesting. So in essence the posted player would be a FA with everyone interested rather than negotiating with only 1 team. If it's the case, it makes sense. Treat them similar to MLB FA's
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 4, 2013 18:12:07 GMT -5
I see contracts for posted players soaring from this change.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 4, 2013 18:13:37 GMT -5
Interesting. So in essence the posted player would be a FA with everyone interested rather than negotiating with only 1 team. If it's the case, it makes sense. Treat them similar to MLB FA's Yeah, instead of just selling pieces of meat.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 4, 2013 18:17:40 GMT -5
He's going to the MFY now so forget it.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 4, 2013 18:25:08 GMT -5
He's going to the MFY now so forget it. Not if they really want to stay under $189.
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Post by jdb on Dec 4, 2013 18:39:44 GMT -5
Will it slow down the talent coming over? If a team from Japan posts someone there's a big difference between $20 million and recent posts over $50 mill with some predicting $75+ for Tanaka.
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Post by mattpicard on Dec 4, 2013 18:42:23 GMT -5
He's going to the MFY now so forget it. Not if they really want to stay under $189. And since the cheap posting fee will likely significantly inflate Tanaka's asking price, the luxury tax considerations for the Yankees just got pretty tricky. ------- Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 3m Source: In MLB's posting proposal, there is a $20M maximum posting fee. In case of tie, player free to sign with any team with top bid. Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 3m In other words, if this proposal goes through, Masahiro Tanaka is essentially going to be a free agent, and he is going to get paid huge. Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 1m For example: If Astros, Yanks, Dodgers, Angels all throw a $20M bid on Tanaka, all of them can negotiate with him. Practically free agency.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 4, 2013 19:03:35 GMT -5
This makes it less likely he goes to the Yanks if anything. Unless they wave goodbye to Canó.
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 4, 2013 19:22:58 GMT -5
Not if they really want to stay under $189. And since the cheap posting fee will likely significantly inflate Tanaka's asking price, the luxury tax considerations for the Yankees just got pretty tricky. ------- Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 3m Source: In MLB's posting proposal, there is a $20M maximum posting fee. In case of tie, player free to sign with any team with top bid. Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 3m In other words, if this proposal goes through, Masahiro Tanaka is essentially going to be a free agent, and he is going to get paid huge. Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 1m For example: If Astros, Yanks, Dodgers, Angels all throw a $20M bid on Tanaka, all of them can negotiate with him. Practically free agency. much better than "awarding" rights to negotiate based on record/random events. Much better..... worth $20M more than, say, Garza though? maybe-maybe not.....
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 4, 2013 19:28:05 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that after they committed ~150 million on Ellsbury they gonna stop at only resigning Cano. All in. 2009 here we come.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 4, 2013 19:58:40 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 2m Not only are Rakuten Golden Eagles opposed to ever-changing US posting rules, but tonight leaning against posting Tanaka, period.
UH oh
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 4, 2013 20:01:19 GMT -5
I'm sure they're mad, but $20M is better than nothing, unless they think the rules will change or an exception will be made
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Post by beasleyrockah on Dec 4, 2013 20:04:26 GMT -5
I'd love to see the Golden Eagles sign Kuroda and have a better rotation than the Yankees next season.
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 4, 2013 20:10:42 GMT -5
I'd love to see the Golden Eagles sign Kuroda and have a better rotation than the Yankees next season. That would be Sweet! Yanks have spent 1/4 Billion dollars so far and haven't added a single pitcher, thinking they have Tanaka all to themselves.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2013 20:29:48 GMT -5
I'm sure they're mad, but $20M is better than nothing, unless they think the rules will change or an exception will be made Well having another year of the best pitcher in your league for a $3M salary isn't "nothing" so we'll see. Love it if they hold him back.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 4, 2013 21:47:52 GMT -5
I'm sure they're mad, but $20M is better than nothing, unless they think the rules will change or an exception will be made Well having another year of the best pitcher in your league for a $3M salary isn't "nothing" so we'll see. Love it if they hold him back. Correct, but compared to 6 months ago, when the general consensus was $50M+ it's meager. On a related note, anyone know what kind of profit teams like Tanaka's turn? Does a $3M salary/investment in him turn a big number?
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 4, 2013 21:50:08 GMT -5
Well before, one thing about posting used to be timing related. Earlier you post a player, higher the posting fee. Now for Tanaka it's $20m this year or next regardless. I would hold him out to prove a point. Unless, you actually care about the players wants.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2013 22:48:30 GMT -5
He's going to the MFY now so forget it. Not if they really want to stay under $189. If Tanaka were to be posted the Yanks would get into a bidding war for him and that $189 million figure would be out the window. I don't believe that the Yanks are committed to being under the $189 million figure.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Dec 4, 2013 23:03:04 GMT -5
The Yanks have said over and over they want to stay under the cap, and there clearly is a ton of incentive for them to do that but given their situation, I think they might still blow it off eventally. They absolutely want to be the big kid on the block every year. The favorite to win it all every year.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Dec 5, 2013 0:58:42 GMT -5
They can't stay under 189. Their ticket revenues declined by 58 this year and should drop dramatically without adding big paid superstars.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 5, 2013 1:45:59 GMT -5
Does anyone have a semi-accurate estimate to where the Yankees' current payroll stands. From piecing together the guaranteed contacts from Cot's and Baseball Refernece's estimations of Arbitration awards, I have them pegged somewhere around 166 Million dollars. That figure does include A-Rod's 25 million, so based from my math (which I expect to be incorrect) they have anywhere from 23 million to 48 million dollars to remain under the cap (Dependent on the entire A-Rod parody). Regardless, they still could still be real players in either the Tanaka market.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 5, 2013 2:09:36 GMT -5
Does anyone have a semi-accurate estimate to where the Yankees' current payroll stands. From piecing together the guaranteed contacts from Cot's and Baseball Refernece's estimations of Arbitration awards, I have them pegged somewhere around 166 Million dollars. That figure does include A-Rod's 25 million, so based from my math (which I expect to be incorrect) they have anywhere from 23 million to 48 million dollars to remain under the cap (Dependent on the entire A-Rod parody). Regardless, they still could still be real players in either the Tanaka market. This was posted by amfox1 in the Ellsbury thread. A-rod's salary off the books, Cano and Kuroda back. I still don't buy that A-rod gets a full season, but the Yankees appear to be operating under that assumption, or just don't care about 189. Their problem is that they have one legit starter if Kuroda goes back home, and now Tanaka will likely cost them far more towards the AAV if they want him 2014 Hankees Rotation (42.40 AAV + FA) - Sabathia (24.40 AAV), Kuroda (assume re-signed at 16.00 AAV), Pineda (arb1, assume 1.00 AAV), Nova (arb1, assume 1.00 AAV) + FA Bullpen (7.50 AAV + FA) - Robertson (arb3, assume 4.00 AAV), Phelps (min, 0.50 AAV), Kelley (arb2, assume 1.50 AAV), Warren (min, 0.50 AAV), Betances (min, 0.50 AAV), Claiborne (min, 0.50 AAV) + FA LHP Lineup (130.87 AAV + FA) – Ellsbury (21.87 AAV), Gardner (arb3, assume 4.00 AAV), Cano (assume re-signed at 25.00 AAV), Soriano (17.00 AAV), McCann (17.00 AAV), Teixeira (22.50 AAV), Jeter (17.00 AAV), Suzuki (6.50 AAV) + FA 3B Bench (22.10 AAV) - Cervelli (arb1, assume 1.00 AAV), Ryan (2.50 AAV), Nunez (min, assume 0.60 AAV), Wells (18.0 AAV) This assumes Rodriguez is suspended for the entire 2014 season. Total AAV is 202.87 plus the cost of three free agents (a solid #2/3 starter, a LOOGY and a 3B), plus 17.00 AAV in benefits/40 man roster, less 36.24 AAV the team is owed from other teams. That gives the Yankees approximately $6 million to spend and remain under the luxury tax (even after assuming Cano/Kuroda signings). If Cano is not re-signed (which is my assumption with the Ellsbury signing), they could trade for Brandon Phillips to play 2B and still have some room to fill out their roster. Maybe Vernon Wells will play 3B. Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/1375/jacoby-ellsbury-nearing-153mm-deal?page=8#ixzz2ma8OA3eC
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Post by p23w on Dec 5, 2013 2:24:52 GMT -5
I see contracts for posted players soaring from this change. Mebbe yes, then again mebbe not. Japanese are very "brand" loyal. We may see which MLB brands are preferred by Japanese players. The money will be better than they would get at home so the brand appeal may express itself.
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 5, 2013 8:51:14 GMT -5
Add $3mm for Kelly Johnson and the Hankees are at total AAV of 205.87 plus the cost of two free agents (a solid #2/3 starter and a LOOGY), plus 17.00 AAV in benefits/40 man roster, less 36.24 AAV the team is owed from other teams.
That gives the Hankees approximately $2.5 million to spend and remain under the luxury tax (even after assuming Cano/Kuroda signings). If Cano and Kuroda are not signed, the Hanks will have more than $40mm to spend.
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