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9/5-9/8 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by ifixbadcredit on Sept 8, 2013 15:47:26 GMT -5
Why in the world were they even pitching to Soriano with first and second base open? Granted, we got outplayed in that game, but such a shame to lose out on a potential sweep that way. The Yankees had nothing left in their bullpen. You go after Soriano over Cano any day and twice on Sunday over Cano D.C. That run is on Salty. Never mind the 0-2 curveball to Ichiro that was gift wrapped.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 8, 2013 15:49:57 GMT -5
You go after Soriano over Cano any day and twice on Sunday over Cano D.C. That run is on Salty. You could have intentionally walked both to load the bases, Cano wouldn't have mattered. You could repeatedly punch yourself in the junk too... Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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Post by jmei on Sept 8, 2013 15:55:51 GMT -5
You go after Soriano over Cano any day and twice on Sunday over Cano D.C. That run is on Salty. You could have intentionally walked both to load the bases, Cano wouldn't have mattered. Yeah but then a BB or HBP to Alex Rodriguez wins the game, and you lose that margin for error. Plus, I'd rather pitch to Soriano as opposed to Rodriguez anyways, especially with a righty on the hill.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 8, 2013 16:16:18 GMT -5
You could have intentionally walked both to load the bases, Cano wouldn't have mattered. Hadn't thought of that. As you shouldn't, because it's not a very bright idea. Maddon is a guy I can see pulling that shit and losing the game on a grand slam.
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Post by godot on Sept 8, 2013 16:27:07 GMT -5
Are we being harsh on Salty? He was out for over three days with back and assorted ailments. He probably is at 75%, if that. I know he has flaws in his defensive game, but has addressed many. Seems the pitchers now like his game calling, and he spends a good deal of time on this. So far, seems he has improved contact hitting skills. He is not 3O yet. Should you give him a pass on that one play?
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 8, 2013 16:29:59 GMT -5
As you shouldn't, because it's not a very bright idea. Maddon is a guy I can see pulling that shit and losing the game on a grand slam. I'm not so sure Don. A grand slam doesn't matter there. One run and the game is over. I think I'd still go after Soriano but walking 2 and facing Aroid has some merit. He doesn't scare me at all, even though he's hit well. Sure wish Salty had caught the high fastball though.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 8, 2013 16:30:57 GMT -5
As you shouldn't, because it's not a very bright idea. Maddon is a guy I can see pulling that shit and losing the game on a grand slam. Last night's game.. M's pulled a squeeze play on Maddon (Wedge) that worked, Rays color commentor stated during 8th inning "I am tired of this game" and didn't say a word for around 15 minutes, must have left the booth. I think the entire team/announcer staff is taking it on the chin right now. Shame the Sox are sending a rusty Bucholz and Dempster to open up the series when the Rays are setup for a knockout blow. TB is 2-7 so far on their WC road trip so far.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 8, 2013 16:52:13 GMT -5
Who is pitching Thursday?
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 8, 2013 16:54:57 GMT -5
Who is pitching Thursday? Peavy, setting up Lackey, Lester and Buchholz against MFY next weekend.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 8, 2013 17:26:46 GMT -5
Rays had bases loaded, nobody out in the 7th.. Trailing 1-0 and failed to score...
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 8, 2013 18:41:02 GMT -5
Rays win. They weren't going to lose every game....
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Post by Guidas on Sept 8, 2013 18:51:55 GMT -5
Ellsbury has a non-displaced compression fracture in his right foot. Farrell says that the Red Sox expect him back before the end of the regular season.
Doubront being skipped in the rotation. Buchholz on Tuesday, Dempster on Wednesday. Thanks for the info but I've never heard of a fracture healing that fast. Compression fracture is more like a "bone dent." They can pack padding around it and give him a little Novocain on the site game day and he should be good to go. Only danger is if he fouls the ball off on the exact same spot. Let me put it this way, if the playoffs were starting tomorrow, he'd be starting.
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Post by station13 on Sept 8, 2013 18:53:00 GMT -5
You go after Soriano over Cano any day and twice on Sunday over Cano D.C. That run is on Salty. Never mind the 0-2 curveball to Ichiro that was gift wrapped. I lost count how many 2 strike hits were given up this series on splitter, cutter and curve. It was a lot.
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 8, 2013 19:30:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the info but I've never heard of a fracture healing that fast. Compression fracture is more like a "bone dent." They can pack padding around it and give him a little Novocain on the site game day and he should be good to go. Only danger is if he fouls the ball off on the exact same spot. Let me put it this way, if the playoffs were starting tomorrow, he'd be starting. More than happy to be wrong on this Guidas. Can you point out the player that played 3 weeks after a fracture or the player that played a day after the doc said a player had a fracture?
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 8, 2013 19:44:15 GMT -5
As you shouldn't, because it's not a very bright idea. Maddon is a guy I can see pulling that shit and losing the game on a grand slam. I'm not so sure Don. A grand slam doesn't matter there. One run and the game is over. I think I'd still go after Soriano but walking 2 and facing Aroid has some merit. He doesn't scare me at all, even though he's hit well. Sure wish Salty had caught the high fastball though. .254 .294 .486 .780 .275 .368 .441 .809 One of them is A-Rod and the other is Alfonso (2013 stats). I'll let you guess which is which.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 8, 2013 19:58:45 GMT -5
Compression fracture is more like a "bone dent." They can pack padding around it and give him a little Novocain on the site game day and he should be good to go. Only danger is if he fouls the ball off on the exact same spot. Let me put it this way, if the playoffs were starting tomorrow, he'd be starting. More than happy to be wrong on this Guidas. Can you point out the player that played 3 weeks after a fracture or the player that played a day after the doc said a player had a fracture? Sure - Jacoby Ellsbury. He sustained the initial fracture on Aug 28. I believe he had 6 starts since then.
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Post by godot on Sept 8, 2013 20:03:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the info but I've never heard of a fracture healing that fast. Compression fracture is more like a "bone dent." They can pack padding around it and give him a little Novocain on the site game day and he should be good to go. Only danger is if he fouls the ball off on the exact same spot. Let me put it this way, if the playoffs were starting tomorrow, he'd be starting. And you practice medicine, where? Yeah, sure just numb him with a drug, like they did with Lackey's elbow. I once stayed at a Holiday Inn.
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 8, 2013 20:10:25 GMT -5
More than happy to be wrong on this Guidas. Can you point out the player that played 3 weeks after a fracture or the player that played a day after the doc said a player had a fracture? Sure - Jacoby Ellsbury. He sustained the initial fracture on Aug 28. I believe he had 6 starts since then. OK. I didn't ask the question right. How about after a doctor said there was a fracture?
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Post by jmei on Sept 8, 2013 20:12:13 GMT -5
Compression fracture is more like a "bone dent." They can pack padding around it and give him a little Novocain on the site game day and he should be good to go. Only danger is if he fouls the ball off on the exact same spot. Let me put it this way, if the playoffs were starting tomorrow, he'd be starting. And you practice medicine, where? Yeah, sure just numb him with a drug, like they did with Lackey's elbow. I once stayed at a Holiday Inn. Why the hostility? He's probably not an expert, but he is providing additional information which I found helpful. Clearly, Farrell falls on guidas' side, considering his statement that they expect Ellsbury back by the end of the regular season.
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Post by soxcentral on Sept 8, 2013 20:28:28 GMT -5
I'm not so sure Don. A grand slam doesn't matter there. One run and the game is over. I think I'd still go after Soriano but walking 2 and facing Aroid has some merit. He doesn't scare me at all, even though he's hit well. Sure wish Salty had caught the high fastball though. .254 .294 .486 .780 .275 .368 .441 .809 One of them is A-Rod and the other is Alfonso (2013 stats). I'll let you guess which is which. Loading the bases also creates the force out at any base in case of a tough infield grounder, but really this is about whether you felt best about Workman vs. Soriano, Cano or ARod. And FWIW, I never advocated FOR intentionally walking the bases loaded, just pointed out if you were afraid of the Cano matchup you could still IBB Soriano but do it again to get past Cano.
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Post by godot on Sept 8, 2013 20:51:05 GMT -5
And you practice medicine, where? Yeah, sure just numb him with a drug, like they did with Lackey's elbow. I once stayed at a Holiday Inn. Why the hostility? He's probably not an expert, but he is providing additional information which I found helpful. Clearly, Farrell falls on guidas' side, considering his statement that they expect Ellsbury back by the end of the regular season. Welly, that 's your opinion. Always wanted to use that phrase.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 8, 2013 20:56:46 GMT -5
Sure - Jacoby Ellsbury. He sustained the initial fracture on Aug 28. I believe he had 6 starts since then. OK. I didn't ask the question right. How about after a doctor said there was a fracture? As I posted in the other thread, this isn't that bad a fracture. For example, Pedroia couldn't walk as soon as he fractured his foot in the same spot, whereas, as mentioned, Ellsbury was able to play, and well: 7 starts, .313/.353/.469 w/ 3 SB. I don't think it a coincidence that him going to the doctor coincided with the lead in the division expanding to where it has...
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 8, 2013 22:33:06 GMT -5
I think you're right on this. The Sox have the luxury of depth, and a good lead at this point. They can use that to their advantage to get everyone ready to go for the playoffs, without losing too much in the lineup. Ellsbury can get some time off that foot, and with luck he'll be ready for the post-season.
On another matter, I'm not sure why people think Lavarnaway's having a bad year. He seems confident enough in his new swing that he's starting to drive the ball again. He's hitting over .300 and near .800 OPS. There aren't too many catchers who live there, and he's delivered when he's been in the lineup. He has defensive limitations, no doubt about that, with footwork and a release that will never earn him all-star recognition. But his hitting is ML worthy. I'll bet it only gets better from here on out.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 9, 2013 8:01:57 GMT -5
Sure - Jacoby Ellsbury. He sustained the initial fracture on Aug 28. I believe he had 6 starts since then. OK. I didn't ask the question right. How about after a doctor said there was a fracture? I'm not a doctor, I've just broken a lot of stuff over the years, and had one of these in the palm of my hand about 10 years ago. Compression fractures are literally a pain but not like a displaced fracture where the bones are separated or a nondisplaced fracture where the bones have sustained cracks and can't bear weight or high levels of stress, torque etc. It is likely that this was the original injury and the swelling was such (or it was small enough) where they didn't see it on the original X-rays. This type of injury happens in football frequently and guys wrap it, numb it and play. Feet are tricky, but if he was able to walk and run (effectively, too as we saw) the day after he sustained it he should be able play for the playoffs. If they can get him back 10-7 days before that so he can get his timing back, it would of course be better. He is lucky he didn't do this to a toe or nearer the bottom of the foot (like Pedroia, Tek, Cody Ross) or it would likely end his season because of more load bearing would create more severe pain. I'm not alone in this opinion either, btw: @gordonedes Ellsbury injury news actually encouraging, baseball source said. Tiny hairline fracture of bone at top of foot. Good guess is 10-16 days bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/clubhouse_insider/2013/09/jacoby_ellsbury_has_fracture_in_right_foot_red_sox Excerpt: The source described the fracture as "very small'' and on the surface only, noting that it is an "impact fracture." Playing with the fracture before it is totally healed is not expected to be an issue for Ellsbury, who is not expected to have any long-term effects. www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2013/09/sox_ellsbury_has_fracture_but_should_return.htmlExcerpt: The injury happened Aug. 28 when Ellsbury fouled a ball off his foot. He came out of the game an inning later but returned to the lineup the next day and played seven of the next eight games.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 9, 2013 8:17:39 GMT -5
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