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Post by Guidas on Sept 17, 2013 20:08:12 GMT -5
Dempstsr. Gives up a dinger and then walks the unwalkable man.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 17, 2013 20:39:28 GMT -5
Another DP.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 17, 2013 20:44:15 GMT -5
Workman's not really a good reliever. Not a fan of him in the pen as anything other than a long man.
Oh, and this game's over.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 17, 2013 20:50:17 GMT -5
Wow, Breslow really bailed the team out there
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Post by preston on Sept 17, 2013 20:54:07 GMT -5
Gutsy performance by Breslow.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 17, 2013 21:07:54 GMT -5
Uh, okay Shane.
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Post by jmei on Sept 17, 2013 21:08:50 GMT -5
Sad, sad day.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 17, 2013 21:11:12 GMT -5
#WinItForKoji
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 17, 2013 21:19:25 GMT -5
They let Xander hit. Interesting.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 17, 2013 21:21:01 GMT -5
A ridiculous call forces Xander to swing at a ball.
I wish bad things on every MLB umpire.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 17, 2013 21:26:53 GMT -5
Yeah Xander does get some tough calls I've noticed.
We got outplayed in that game though. Salty was out at third, shouldn't have even scored in the first place.
That and the three double plays. Those DPs are killing us. Our last 3 losses have all been by one run.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 17, 2013 21:45:46 GMT -5
Guess if Koji had to have his streak end and the Sox had to lose, today's game wasn't a bad one to lose.
I think Koji's streak would still be going if 1) Salty had called for a splitter rather than a 3rd straight high fastball or 2) Shane Victorino's streak of amazing plays hadn't ended at the same time Koji's streak ended. It was a tough play but I think it's a play that normally Victorino winds up making. There wouldn't have been a triple, a run, or even a baserunner. Oh well, better to get it over now than later when it really matters.
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Post by orcoaster on Sept 17, 2013 23:39:22 GMT -5
Why is Victorino even playing CF in the first place? His CF defense already cost Lester two hits and a run against the Yankees, now this. Sure JBJ has looked overmatched at the plate, but he's smooth as silk in center. He catches that ball tonight and we're still playing. This is a great opportunity to give JBJ some big league at bats. Vic is great in right. Leave him there. Moving Vic to center compromises two defensive positions -- Vic is not as good as JBJ in center, and Nava is nowhere near as good as Vic in right. JBJ should be in center every game until Els is ready to return.
Oh well. You can't win every night. But it's frustrating to lose on a catchable ball even if it was well hit.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 18, 2013 8:03:43 GMT -5
Why is Victorino even playing CF in the first place? His CF defense already cost Lester two hits and a run against the Yankees, now this. Sure JBJ has looked overmatched at the plate, but he's smooth as silk in center. He catches that ball tonight and we're still playing. This is a great opportunity to give JBJ some big league at bats. Vic is great in right. Leave him there. Moving Vic to center compromises two defensive positions -- Vic is not as good as JBJ in center, and Nava is nowhere near as good as Vic in right. JBJ should be in center every game until Els is ready to return. Oh well. You can't win every night. But it's frustrating to lose on a catchable ball even if it was well hit. CF is Victorino's natural position. We did it to get Carp's bat in the lineup with his 918 OPS as opposed to Bradley's 540 OPS. JBJ can practice the whole off-season. I'd like to get the best record and avoid Detroit and Oakland in the first round. And, have home field in the LCS. JBJ is going to be a good player. But, getting more at-bats when you're struggling and can't hit big league pitching isn't going to help him in the long run.
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Post by jmei on Sept 18, 2013 9:58:35 GMT -5
Am I the only one who would rather play Oakland than Tampa Bay? Oakland's offense is pretty nonthreatening, other than Josh Donaldson, and Oakland's greatest strength of depth is less important in the playoffs. Even if Price pitches the play-in game, Tampa's arms scare me more than Oakland's.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 18, 2013 10:06:37 GMT -5
Am I the only one who would rather play Oakland than Tampa Bay? Oakland's offense is pretty nonthreatening, other than Josh Donaldson, and Oakland's greatest strength of depth is less important in the playoffs. Even if Price pitches the play-in game, Tampa's arms scare me more than Oakland's. Is depth really less important in the playoffs? Starting pitching depth, sure, but it seems to me their lineup balance and ability to use their bench productively is a major weapon for them. Anyhow, Oakland's run differential is +105 on the season, and the Rays are at +39. Also, any team with a .161 Iso playing half its games in the Oakland Coliseum is a little bit terrifying.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 18, 2013 10:33:35 GMT -5
Am I the only one who would rather play Oakland than Tampa Bay? Oakland's offense is pretty nonthreatening, other than Josh Donaldson, and Oakland's greatest strength of depth is less important in the playoffs. Even if Price pitches the play-in game, Tampa's arms scare me more than Oakland's. Tampa's pitching terrifies me. Even if Price goes in the play-in game on Tues, they stupid-assed way MLB set this up, Tampa can lead with Moore on Fri, Cobb on Sat and then throw Price in Game 3. Oakland is worrisome in a different way in that the Sox have not figured out Colon and have struggled with some of their other pitchers. Agree you want home field, esp if Oak gets to the final. You want those last at bats in playoff games whenever possible. Dream case right now for me is Cleveland and Balt making it to the Wild Card, Sox sweeping whoever makes it through the play-in, and Oak-Det going 5 games.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 18, 2013 10:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 18, 2013 10:44:23 GMT -5
As long as we don't face the Rays in the first round i'm happy. Even if we get the Tigers, its OK. Their strength is they are solid all around just like us and their rotation 1-4 is solid. Except we would have home field.
Facing moore and price 3 times in a 5 game series is a bad match up for us. Better to face them in a 7 game series where our offense has more chances to break out in my opinion.
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Post by godot on Sept 18, 2013 11:10:53 GMT -5
Why is Victorino even playing CF in the first place? His CF defense already cost Lester two hits and a run against the Yankees, now this. Sure JBJ has looked overmatched at the plate, but he's smooth as silk in center. He catches that ball tonight and we're still playing. This is a great opportunity to give JBJ some big league at bats. Vic is great in right. Leave him there. Moving Vic to center compromises two defensive positions -- Vic is not as good as JBJ in center, and Nava is nowhere near as good as Vic in right. JBJ should be in center every game until Els is ready to return. Oh well. You can't win every night. But it's frustrating to lose on a catchable ball even if it was well hit. Another possibility? He has been playing right all year and may have lost the feel for center. He have also lost a step or two, but the rest of his game is fine, so he may just need more repetitions and time out there. Let's face it. Ellsbury imjury needs time to heal, and the body follows its own needs and logic, not the schedule. It could take longer than some expect to heal, and they may need Shane in center.
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Post by mattpicard on Sept 18, 2013 12:24:58 GMT -5
I'd chill out on bashing Victorino playing center field. Even the last couple seasons, he was a perfectly serviceable CF with average-ish metrics, after being above average in the early years of his career. Despite him being hobbled, I'd take him out there if it means getting a plus bat (one that's performing at a mega level) in left field once in a while. Last night there were a few tough plays that Ellsbury and JBJ would have made, but that says more about those two being stellar defenders than it does about a pretty solid one in Victorino. We're really just spoiled with top notch CF defense, but when Carp in LF or Nava in RF slip up, it's basically for the same reason (Ellsbury's absence forces Shane and Nava to shift to a position they're worse at).
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 18, 2013 12:29:57 GMT -5
I'd chill out on bashing Victorino playing center field. Even the last couple seasons, he was a perfectly serviceable CF with average-ish metrics, after being above average in the early years of his career. Despite him being hobbled, I'd take him out there if it means getting a plus bat (one that's performing at a mega level) in left field once in a while. Last night there were a few tough plays that Ellsbury and JBJ would have made, but that says more about those two being stellar defenders than it does about a pretty solid one in Victorino. We're really just spoiled with top notch CF defense, but when Carp in LF or Nava in RF slip up, it's basically for the same reason (Ellsbury's absence forces Shane and Nava to shift to a position they're worse at). That, and the fact that even if he made that catch, its still a tie game, anyones game.. Leaving in Dempster too long combined with all those double plays were what killed us.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 18, 2013 12:36:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one who would rather play Oakland than Tampa Bay? Oakland's offense is pretty nonthreatening, other than Josh Donaldson, and Oakland's greatest strength of depth is less important in the playoffs. Even if Price pitches the play-in game, Tampa's arms scare me more than Oakland's. No, I'm with you on this. I want no part of Tampa in the first round. Don't want to see Moore and Price 3 times in 5 games. Actually I'd prefer that Texas plays Cleveland for the Wild Card play-off. I'd prefer Cleveland. The Sox don't normally hit McAllister and Ubaldo has been tough lately, but I'd take my chances with Cleveland. Texas is manageable if Darvish can only pitch one game, but Tampa with those two tough lefties - no thanks. The best scenario would be a 3 way tie which would really wreak havoc on their pitching staffs. Then I would hope that Oakland somehow upsets Detroit as I believe thru Cleveland and Oakland would be the Sox easiest road to the Series, but then again - be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 18, 2013 13:32:03 GMT -5
Am I doing the math wrong or is the magic number not actually 3 for Division? If Orioles win out and Sox lose the rest of their games Balt actually wins the div because of head to head.
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Post by jmei on Sept 18, 2013 13:59:50 GMT -5
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