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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 16, 2013 20:49:47 GMT -5
Alright, get the fielding "yips" out of the systems, maybe figure out how to hit a breaking ball again, let the Tigers score 20 if need be for the rest of this game I guess.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 16, 2013 20:50:59 GMT -5
Peavy would have been out of the inning if pedoria didn't fu9k up an easy DP ball.... This is not all on peavy Right, but it's still mostly on Peavy. He walked three guys in the inning, two of them on four pitches-- just inexcusable. You can pin 0.5 runs in that inning on Pedroia. That's the Run Expectancy with runners on the corner and two outs. The failure to make a nice play on Jackson's ball last inning cost them 0.9, but that's a play that a lot of guys don't make. Call it 1.0 total runs for Pedey's uncharacteristic lapses.
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Post by preston on Oct 16, 2013 20:51:11 GMT -5
Alright, get the fielding "yips" out of the systems, maybe figure out how to hit a breaking ball again, let the Tigers score 20 if need be for the rest of this game I guess. They need to just purge the awfulness out of their collective systems.
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Post by jmei on Oct 16, 2013 20:51:43 GMT -5
Bright side: at least they probably won't have to use Breslow/Tazawa/Uehara tonight, and they'll be fresh tomorrow (with Lester starting). Tigers will have their three best pitchers going, but so will the Sox, and two of the three games are at Fenway.
EDIT: also, we get to see Iglesias play defense. That guy's a wizard.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 16, 2013 20:53:28 GMT -5
In all seriousness, you can't really justify starting Middlebrooks over Xander anymore.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 16, 2013 20:56:36 GMT -5
Right, but it's still mostly on Peavy. He walked three guys in the inning, two of them on four pitches-- just inexcusable. You can pin 0.5 runs in that inning on Pedroia. That's the Run Expectancy with runners on the corner and two outs.
The failure to make a nice play on Jackson's ball last inning cost them 0.9, but that's a play that a lot of guys don't make. Call it 1.0 total runs for Pedey's uncharacteristic lapses. I have to admit this is where you stats guys really lose me
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 16, 2013 20:58:56 GMT -5
In all seriousness, you can't really justify starting Middlebrooks over Xander anymore. You're right. Because Xander should be starting over Drew.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 16, 2013 20:59:03 GMT -5
What a night.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 16, 2013 21:02:23 GMT -5
We have two doubles, three singles, and a walk.
They have two doubles, four singles, and three walks.
They've turned the extra single and two extra walks into seven more runs.
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Post by jmei on Oct 16, 2013 21:03:28 GMT -5
We have two doubles, three singles, and a walk. They have two doubles, four singles, and three walks. They've turned the extra single and two extra walks into seven more runs. Sequencing, man.
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Post by bsout2 on Oct 16, 2013 21:06:32 GMT -5
All Peavy needed to do was keep them in this game. Heck if they were down 3-0, I would still think they are in the game.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 16, 2013 21:10:03 GMT -5
The real hope was the Sox would at least get their bats right in this game against Fister, lack of that is more concerning than Peavey giving up a bunch of runs.
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Post by jmei on Oct 16, 2013 21:10:34 GMT -5
I'm here with my rally cap on and my night ham at the ready. #believe
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 16, 2013 21:12:53 GMT -5
Drew is late on 89 MPH fastballs.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 16, 2013 21:13:07 GMT -5
Does the word "Fister" count as profanity? Have to admit that i went through a phase of my life in which I was incapable of saying his name without following with "I hardly know her!"
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 16, 2013 21:13:44 GMT -5
You can pin 0.5 runs in that inning on Pedroia. That's the Run Expectancy with runners on the corner and two outs.
The failure to make a nice play on Jackson's ball last inning cost them 0.9, but that's a play that a lot of guys don't make. Call it 1.0 total runs for Pedey's uncharacteristic lapses. I have to admit this is where you stats guys really lose me [welcome distraction ...] To put it in words without numbers: We all know that when a guy muffs one like that, a good pitcher "picks his teammate up" by getting the next guy out, and thus rendering the mistake or error harmless. And that sometimes the pitcher fails to do that. You can look at all such situations that have ever occurred to figure out, on average, how many runs score after a mistake like that. That tells you how damaging the mistake is, on average. While there's no such thing as half a run in baseball, you can say that half a run in that inning was Pedroia's fault, because that's how many runs score on average after that sort of mistake. [/... from awfulness of game]
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 16, 2013 21:16:50 GMT -5
The Red Sox have outhit the Tigers 8 to 6.
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Post by bsout2 on Oct 16, 2013 21:21:30 GMT -5
Over under on Dempster walks set at 2
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 16, 2013 21:22:18 GMT -5
Does the word "Fister" count as profanity? Have to admit that i went through a phase of my life in which I was incapable of saying his name without following with "I hardly know her!" I remain incapable of mentioning him without also mentioning that he was traded for Charlie Furbush. But then again, I came of age in the late 60's / early 70's.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 16, 2013 21:28:29 GMT -5
I have to admit this is where you stats guys really lose me [welcome distraction ...] To put it in words without numbers: We all know that when a guy muffs one like that, a good pitcher "picks his teammate up" by getting the next guy out, and thus rendering the mistake or error harmless. And that sometimes the pitcher fails to do that. You can look at all such situations that have ever occurred to figure out, on average, how many runs score after a mistake like that. That tells you how damaging the mistake is, on average. While there's no such thing as half a run in baseball, you can say that half a run in that inning was Pedroia's fault, because that's how many runs score on average after that sort of mistake. [/... from awfulness of game] Truly a welcome distraction...My disconnect is while I do understand these numbers give you a look at what may have occurred in the past or what statistically speaking a future expected outcome should be the "eyeball" test shows 4 runs scoring either directly or indirectly as a result of plays not made.
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Post by jmei on Oct 16, 2013 21:31:04 GMT -5
Ellsbury breaking out of his slump-- another nice sign. Good things happen when he can get on base.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 16, 2013 21:33:56 GMT -5
Ellsbury breaking out of his slump-- another nice sign. Good things happen when he can get on base. Best outcome for this game, would be Ellsbury and Vic heating back up and to continue to pound the Tigers pen Edit-well maybe Pedroia getting something going as well
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 16, 2013 21:36:12 GMT -5
Doubront started warming back when Peavy was first struggling (although not soon enough). As soon as he was ready, he should have been in to start a clean inning, and then gone as long as he was able and effective.
And why? Because there's no objective argument that Jake Peavy is a better MLB pitcher right now than Felix Doubront. There never has been, from the time they made the trade.
The Peavy trade ended up adding nothing to the regular season. In the post-season, it's encouraged them to shelve an ultimately better pitcher, when the thing to do was to get Doubront sufficient rest to return him to his mid-season form. There's reason to believe that's happened, but we can't find that out without letting him pitch.
And yes, I'm talking about the possibility that Doubront ought to start Game 4 of the WS, should we get there.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 16, 2013 21:36:46 GMT -5
Dustin Pedroia has had horrible series
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Post by bsout2 on Oct 16, 2013 21:36:47 GMT -5
Is it just me or has Pedroia just been completly destroyed by RH sliders this series?
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