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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 23, 2013 22:56:19 GMT -5
Almost everything indicates a good series for the Sox. We were able to hit the ball consistently well against one of their top 2 starters. Our defense was solid while St Louis seemed to be falling apart. Lester was very strong. St. Louis seemed demoralized and tentative except for Holiday and Beltran. Beltran is potentially hurt. It was like the Gods decided "there shall be a dominating Redsox win today" and it was just that.
I love that we have now seen some of their best relievers and guys like Nava and Bogaerts hit them well. That young pen has got to be effected some by that. Martinez probably is not the lights out 8th inning guy we were told he was. He is just an above average fastball. I think we hit him well this series.
Bogaerts probably hit the ball harder today than anyone with that sac fly. Against a 96 mph fastball wasn't it?
This is a great team against RH pitching generally. Considering how they did against Wainwright, the odds of winning this series just went way up!
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Post by jmei on Oct 23, 2013 22:56:27 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 23, 2013 23:00:11 GMT -5
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 23, 2013 23:07:31 GMT -5
Who's this Nava dude? Must not be very good, I can't remember seeing him start.... Edit: and he immediately hits a double on a 96 MPH fastball. Huh. Probably some kind of fluke. Not much intangibles in that swing, though. Tomorrow's game will determine what type of series this will be. I think we'll know early which Lackey is showing up.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 23, 2013 23:08:23 GMT -5
Well, that went well. Before this series, a pretty big part of me thought the Sox were going to run through the Cardinals like they weren't even there. The Tigers just looked a lot better to me than the Cardinals do ... but, it really comes down to whether Wacha can dominate like he did during the NL playoffs. If he does, this thing is a real series. If he doesn't, reserve the Duck Boats.
I gotta say, it's amazing how much better the Sox look than their opponents at defense, baserunning, etc. The Rays were supposed to be the gold standard of defense and fundamentals, and the Sox clearly outclassed them. Then the Sox dominated the Tigers in those areas, too, and one game into the World Series ...
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Post by jmei on Oct 23, 2013 23:26:59 GMT -5
Buchholz is reportedly suffering some shoulder discomfort. Jake Peavy will start game 3. The current plan is to see how Buchholz is feeling, but if he can't go, Doubront would start game four.
Disappointing, to say the least.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 23, 2013 23:33:22 GMT -5
Thats 9 straight world series game victories for the sox! Lets get this done Sox status at the end of the half-inning, five WS game against the Cardinals in this century: Trailing: 0 times Tied: 6 times (minimum possible = 3) Leading: 83 Which is to say, five straight WS games against the Cardinals where we've not only never trailed, but scored in the first inning ... and only gave up the lead from the top of the 6th to the top of the 7th of Game 1 in 2004, when we were tied 7-7. Or put another way, once Mark Bellhorn went off the foul pole in the bottom of the 7th of Game 1 that year, we have had the lead against the Cardinals in 72 consecutive innings where it was possible.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Oct 23, 2013 23:54:19 GMT -5
Nothing to complain about this game.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 24, 2013 0:07:16 GMT -5
The Red Sox played a fantastic all-around game and benefitted from some rare sloppy Cardinals defense which undermined Wainright who also contributed terrible defense.
Lester was brilliant and I was glad to see Nava get a hit. Napoli with another big hit and Big Papi was awesome - even better than a pile-on grand slam he might have knocked out Beltran for a game and the Cards lack bench depth.
Given the uncertainty of Buchholz and the inconsistency of Peavy, the Sox need to take Game 2 tomorrow night. Hope Wacha comes back down to earth and hopefully Lackey can get the game to a rested Breslow and Uehara.
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Post by danr on Oct 24, 2013 0:31:39 GMT -5
Buchholz is reportedly suffering some shoulder discomfort. Jake Peavy will start game 3. The current plan is to see how Buchholz is feeling, but if he can't go, Doubront would start game four. Disappointing, to say the least. I wrote after his first start in the playoffs that I thought he looked like he was in pain. I meant it as a description of his method of pitching, but didn't think he really was in pain. Maybe, he was. That certainly could explain some things.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 24, 2013 5:57:20 GMT -5
Buchholz is reportedly suffering some shoulder discomfort. Jake Peavy will start game 3. The current plan is to see how Buchholz is feeling, but if he can't go, Doubront would start game four. Disappointing, to say the least. I wrote after his first start in the playoffs that I thought he looked like he was in pain. I meant it as a description of his method of pitching, but didn't think he really was in pain. Maybe, he was. That certainly could explain some things. You do have to at least give thought on the stupid "toughness" question, but that said, if he's going to go out and throw like he did in the sixth in Game 6, then there's no point in trotting him out there to get his brains beat in just so he can be a tough guy and pitch through it.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 24, 2013 6:23:46 GMT -5
Lots of good stuff last night. Great win and it was nice to get to bed before mid-night for a change.
Really happy for Nava. What a great ab after not playing much and coming off the bench on a cold night against big time heat.
For me it's not toughness with Clay, it's availability. I'll take Lester any day and twice in a World Series. The way the Cards look against lefties having to go with F. D. in game 4 is probably a better option right now.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 24, 2013 6:26:23 GMT -5
Three more games until the Red Sox win the Cup according Mayor Menino.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 24, 2013 7:04:33 GMT -5
I wrote after his first start in the playoffs that I thought he looked like he was in pain. I meant it as a description of his method of pitching, but didn't think he really was in pain. Maybe, he was. That certainly could explain some things. You do have to at least give thought on the stupid "toughness" question, but that said, if he's going to go out and throw like he did in the sixth in Game 6, then there's no point in trotting him out there to get his brains beat in just so he can be a tough guy and pitch through it.This is news to at least 50% of major league managers.
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Post by nhdave on Oct 24, 2013 7:37:52 GMT -5
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Post by hammerhead on Oct 24, 2013 7:46:14 GMT -5
I knew it was going to be a long night for the red birds when Drew's smash fell into the gap.
I like Doubront's chances if he needs to start. Better to have a fresh, somewhat strong Doubront than a 75% Buchholz. It was a nice win, but if St. Louis wins tonight they'd have to be pretty happy heading home with a split in Boston
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 24, 2013 8:48:41 GMT -5
Four or Five innings from buch would be fine by me. Doubront and Workman could come for the 5th/6th then there is Taz, Breslow and Koji.
Keep in mind the Cards starter in game 4 might be the worst starter they've faced all post season. (Not counting hell boy).
Not ideal obviously but those are all pretty good pitchers. Dempster and Morales would be available as well.
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Post by jmei on Oct 24, 2013 8:54:00 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Oct 24, 2013 9:21:42 GMT -5
Who knows but the Cards whole team was watching from the dugout with countless other front office guys in dugout boxes but a minor leaguer on his lazy boy spotted it? If it was anything their players would have said something if you ask me?
Edit: Can't wait for Eck to chime in.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 24, 2013 9:29:45 GMT -5
Cardinals fans complaining about Lester cheating. Matheny complaining about the umps getting the call right.
What a bunch of losers.
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Post by hammerhead on Oct 24, 2013 9:56:11 GMT -5
If you aren't cheating you aren't trying....
In all seriousness this is pretty silly. Lester didn't make the St. Louis infielders look like the Bad News Bears, they did that all on their own.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 24, 2013 10:45:26 GMT -5
They did do it on their own, but Lester was "cheating". I honestly, don't care and not just because I'm a Sox fan. I care that he got "caught" though because now he can't do it in game 5.
As for the Buchholz injury. At this point it's been reported as:
- Fatigued Forearm - Fatigued Shoulder - General Arm Fatigue - forearm tightness - Tight Right Shoulder
I'm still waiting for the correct report of menstrual cramps to come out, but apparently that's not going to happen.
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Post by okin15 on Oct 24, 2013 11:19:13 GMT -5
My favorite comment is "Cardinals can't complain, they all had vaseline on their gloves too."
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 24, 2013 11:25:52 GMT -5
Jeff Fletcher (Angels beat writer, former Fan House columnist) now suggesting on Twitter that he thinks Victorino throwing to 1B to try and nab Freese was obnoxious, as was swinging 3-0 in the 9th being up 8-1. Can't stand complaints like this. If it's a chance to get the final out of a very important playoff game (or really, any game), then you take that chance, regardless of the score.
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Post by jmei on Oct 24, 2013 11:35:16 GMT -5
Jeff Fletcher (Angels beat writer, former Fan House columnist) now suggesting on Twitter that he thinks Victorino throwing to 1B to try and nab Freese was obnoxious, as was swinging 3-0 in the 9th being up 8-1. Can't stand complaints like this. If it's a chance to get the final out of a very important playoff game (or really, any game), then you take that chance, regardless of the score. I kind of thought it was obnoxious too, but for a more self-serving reason. That's one of those moves that only works if you catch 'em by surprise, and there's little-to-no reason to bust it out with two outs in the ninth inning of a blowout. Save it for when Craig is taking his time in a more clutch situation.
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