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Post by mattpicard on Oct 26, 2013 23:24:37 GMT -5
I'd still rather see Bogaerts at SS and Mioddlebrooks at 3rd but Middlebrooks should have got that grounder and he still swings at bad pitches. Maybe we now see why Napoli is taking grounders at 3rd. I wouldn't. We got our first pitch pop-out and K + 2 questionable defensive plays from WMB. Drew for the rest of the series, without a blink.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 26, 2013 23:25:14 GMT -5
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 1m Farrell admits he should have double-switched when he brought Workman in, with Ross in the nine-hole. You think? That was the decison of the game really, it was obvious at the time, not sure why he didnt. I know he learned at the alter of Tito, which means pick your 9 guys and just ride them to the end but those were basic moves that should have been made.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 26, 2013 23:25:24 GMT -5
Too bad they couldn't take advantage of no Rosenthal in extras....#RoadTeam
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Post by jmei on Oct 26, 2013 23:26:15 GMT -5
I'd still rather see Bogaerts at SS and Mioddlebrooks at 3rd but Middlebrooks should have got that grounder and he still swings at bad pitches. Maybe we now see why Napoli is taking grounders at 3rd. Middlebrooks is a bad hitter and a worse fielder. I know the grass is greener on the other side and such, but Drew is twice the player Muddlebrooks is.
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Post by hammerhead on Oct 26, 2013 23:27:03 GMT -5
That wasn't WMB fault he had a runner barrelling into him. That was on Salty. Not many 3rdbaseman are going to easily make that play.
The way I see it if the sox won this game it would have been because they stole it. You have a very good pitcher in Buch going tommorrow, against their weakest starter. Win tommorrow and we have Lester for game five.
This series is far from over. Yeah it's a bad loss, but we gave them all they could handle at home on a game where our starter went 4 fucking innings.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 26, 2013 23:28:02 GMT -5
We still have Drew at 2 hits in 38 or so AB. And he looks like he was lucky to get the 2 hits. Agreed that he has played well defensively but the sample size is getting significant. The guy is slumping badly.
I do agree that Middlebrooks hasn't played well either but at least he might hit a bomb against these fastball pitchers. And during the season and before tonight in the playoffs he has fielded well.
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Post by hammerhead on Oct 26, 2013 23:29:49 GMT -5
This just in: Joe Torre is a penis
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Post by hammerhead on Oct 26, 2013 23:31:04 GMT -5
The throw hit the runner... There was no way WMB could have caught that.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 26, 2013 23:31:06 GMT -5
Is there a way of making a line-up without Drew or Middlebrooks on it? Maybe play Bogaerts at 3rd and SS, bat him twice. I'd like to see that.
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Post by pasadenasox on Oct 26, 2013 23:32:21 GMT -5
Total farce. Buck and McCarver can rationalize it all they want.
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Post by hammerhead on Oct 26, 2013 23:34:06 GMT -5
Allen Craig re-injured his foot sliding into home .... just saying
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Post by pasadenasox on Oct 26, 2013 23:35:16 GMT -5
My heart bleeds for him:
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 26, 2013 23:36:55 GMT -5
That wasn't WMB fault he had a runner barrelling into him. That was on Salty. Not many 3rdbaseman are going to easily make that play. The way I see it if the sox won this game it would have been because they stole it. You have a very good pitcher in Buch going tommorrow, against their weakest starter. Win tommorrow and we have Lester for game five. This series is far from over. Yeah it's a bad loss, but we gave them all they could handle at home on a game where our starter went 4 fucking innings. And how many innings do you expect out of Buchholz tomorrow? And what kind of innings are you expecting? You know the guy is hurt, yes? The Red Sox needed to either not blow Game 2 or find a way to win Game 3. And now that you won't get as much out of Workman or Doubront because they pitched some innings tonight? But I guess we shouldn't worry because Dempster and Morales should be fresh.
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Post by MLBDreams on Oct 26, 2013 23:37:16 GMT -5
Somebody has to tell them STOP throwing to third base as gamble with game being tied and end up costly. I saw that similar pattern that Detroit starters got errors against STL in 2006 WS. They lost the series by 4-1.
Please somebody tell the Red Sox players to STOP gamble that way in that critical situation.
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Post by theolearyfactor on Oct 26, 2013 23:37:21 GMT -5
First Breslow in Game 2 and now Salty... you can't just haphazardly huck the ball around the infield like that. That's some Little League stuff that has no place in professional baseball let alone the World Series.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 26, 2013 23:37:46 GMT -5
The throw hit the runner... There was no way WMB could have caught that. I do agree with you that the fault of that throw was more on Salty. It's a throw that never should have happened.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 26, 2013 23:39:19 GMT -5
The fact that people are still clamoring for Middlebrooks after that debacle...
Anyway, why is no one on here mentioning that the running wasn't even in the baseline?
I can't wish enough bad things on Joyce. Just a piece of garbage.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 26, 2013 23:39:40 GMT -5
Does Wake have an MLB Gig as well?
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Post by hammerhead on Oct 26, 2013 23:40:53 GMT -5
The Buchholz injury thing is a smoke screen. He can go 6 innings. Theres no way that Farrell uses Doubront , Workman and warms Dempster if Buchholz is really hurting.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 26, 2013 23:41:47 GMT -5
Guys I think we just saw the baseball version of "the tuck rule." Joke then (and I'm a Pats fan) and a joke now. If Middlebrooks stands when the rule says he should he would've been entangled with the runner, obstructing him. He stayed down and the umps slapped him with the same ruling.
I just spoke to one of the college head coaches I know. He never saw that called in 35 years of playing and coaching. Said it was the first time the thought that a pro game was fixed flashed in his head - not that he thinks it was. But the ruling was just that incongruous to him (too).
Not impossible to come back from this, but very difficult bordering on improbable without a win tomorrow, esp given that even if we lose Sun., and Lester and Lackey somehow win, Peavy/Doubront are your game 7 starters. Now I would gladly take a game 7 in Fenway it over losing the series on Mon on or Weds, but geez, it really feels like we had one won Thursday and gave it away and had this one lined up tonight and it was taken from us before we could win it.
Just sickening.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 26, 2013 23:42:03 GMT -5
Where the hell is Eck? Fail, NESN.
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Post by pasadenasox on Oct 26, 2013 23:44:49 GMT -5
They need to stop giving guys the vicinity play on calls at second base and make all runners stay inside the lines if that's how games are going to be called.
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 26, 2013 23:46:29 GMT -5
Probably the right call. Now it can be argued that Craig wasn't in the base path (which I believe makes the rule null, but correct me if I'm wrong), but there's 0 reason to throw that ball to 3rd, especially considering the ending to the previous game with Breslow doing the exact same thing. WMB also has to knock that down even if he gives up the chance to make a tag. Salty has to eat that with Kozma on deck, plain and simple.
But even if the above happens and it's 1st/3rd with 1 out, it's not like the Sox had the game won. They were probably in a better position given the bullpen availability and lineup due in the 10th, but I can't see it being much better than 50/50 in STL. I wonder if Fangraphs or any of the other win probability sites will show what we would have looked at with 1st/3rd and 2 outs for Kozma.
Best thing is that they can come back tomorrow and try to wash this out of the system. My guess is that Ross is your starting catcher tomorrow
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Post by curiousle on Oct 26, 2013 23:47:29 GMT -5
Put the ball in your pocket-you've got two outs-get the batter. Yes Farrell should have done the double switch, but Salty threw that away-yeah WMB could have made the play, but I have to tell you if I was him I wouldn't have expected that throw either........
Jack MOrris just on T.V. saying a poor decision at a poor time by Salty.
Also, I would have preferred, of all things, Dempster in today instead of Doubront-and actually started Doubront for tomorrow-if Buch can't get out of an inning tomorrow, this series is over. Bad decision by Farrell by not understanding how hurt Buch is.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 26, 2013 23:47:29 GMT -5
@keithlaw: Joyce burying himself here. Says the runner has the right to a clear baseline. Middlebrooks wasn't in the baseline.
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