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Post by jmei on Oct 27, 2013 21:01:24 GMT -5
what ever happend to a PH taking the first pitch for a look? WMB and now Carp the last two games. Especially with Lynn getting a little wild, give-away at bat there by Carp. It's a catch-22. You can't take every first pitch or you'll start every count down a strike. The first pitch is often the best pitch a hitter will get. Lynn's wildness probably means they should have leaned more towards taking, but it's hard for me to get too vehement about it.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 27, 2013 21:01:37 GMT -5
Pinch hitting Carp there is the right move. Swinging at the first pitch was not. Do they not have a take a pitch sign?
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Post by Guidas on Oct 27, 2013 21:03:18 GMT -5
If gomes takes 3rd (and Xander takes 2nd on that throw home Matheney might've actually walked Ross to force Farrell to take Buchholz out. So you wouldve had bases loaded with one out (or 2nd & 3rd - which might've rattled Lynn just as much.
Just bad mental. errors throughout that sequence.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 27, 2013 21:03:20 GMT -5
The Red Sox needed a big inning there. Bases loaded and no outs and they score just one? Not the way to do it. Hopefully Doubront has it tonight and the offense gets jumpstarted by Ellsbury next inning. The Sox need to hang a 4 spot or something like that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 27, 2013 21:04:06 GMT -5
If gomes takes 3rd (and Xander takes 2nd on that throw home Matheney might've actually walked Ross to force Farrell to take Buchholz out. So you wouldve had bases loaded with one out (or 2nd & 3rd - which might've rattled Lynn just as much. Just bad mental. errors throughout that sequence. But Gomes started earlier on because of his superior baserunning intellect.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 27, 2013 21:04:11 GMT -5
Pinch hitting Carp there is the right move. Swinging at the first pitch was not. Call me an idiot, and I probably am, but I'd go out on a limb take a shot at using Morales for the 5th. Hope to get through the tough LH part of the lineup somehow, then bring Dempster in in the 6th. With Clay able to give only 4 innings, there is going to have to be some real cobbling done if the Sox are to have any reasonable shot at this game.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 27, 2013 21:04:26 GMT -5
what ever happend to a PH taking the first pitch for a look? WMB and now Carp the last two games. Especially with Lynn getting a little wild, give-away at bat there by Carp. It's a catch-22. You can't take every first pitch or you'll start every count down a strike. The first pitch is often the best pitch a hitter will get. Lynn's wildness probably means they should have leaned more towards taking, but it's hard for me to get too vehement about it. Its all hindsight, just seemed like taking a pitch seemed obvious, he jumps on a first pitch fastball and puts it in the seats and I probably say good move.
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Post by jmei on Oct 27, 2013 21:05:29 GMT -5
So, uh, this Doubront kid looks pretty good.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 27, 2013 21:05:42 GMT -5
Doobie! He's looked terrific this postseason.
Also, I never again want to hear anyone lump Nava and Gomes in the same category of defensive ability.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 27, 2013 21:05:43 GMT -5
Felix is such a terrific pitcher when he's on.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 27, 2013 21:05:48 GMT -5
The Red Sox needed a big inning there. Bases loaded and no outs and they score just one? Not the way to do it. Hopefully Doubront has it tonight and the offense gets jumpstarted by Ellsbury next inning. The Sox need to hang a 4 spot or something like that. With the bottom of our order coming up... What baffles me is how Gomes didn't get to third there.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 27, 2013 21:06:23 GMT -5
Pinch hitting Carp there is the right move. Swinging at the first pitch was not. Call me an idiot, and I probably am, but I'd go out on a limb take a shot at using Morales for the 5th. Hope to get through the tough LH part of the lineup somehow, then bring Dempster in in the 6th. With Clay able to give only 4 innings, there is going to have to be some real cobbling done if the Sox are to have any reasonable shot at this game. You're an idiot, Just kidding, but I want no part of Morales ever for anything.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 27, 2013 21:06:46 GMT -5
Pinch hitting Carp there is the right move. Swinging at the first pitch was not. Call me an idiot, and I probably am, but I'd go out on a limb take a shot at using Morales for the 5th. Hope to get through the tough LH part of the lineup somehow, then bring Dempster in in the 6th. With Clay able to give only 4 innings, there is going to have to be some real cobbling done if the Sox are to have any reasonable shot at this game. Um...no.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 27, 2013 21:07:18 GMT -5
Call me an idiot, and I probably am, but I'd go out on a limb take a shot at using Morales for the 5th. Hope to get through the tough LH part of the lineup somehow, then bring Dempster in in the 6th. With Clay able to give only 4 innings, there is going to have to be some real cobbling done if the Sox are to have any reasonable shot at this game. You're an idiot, Just kidding, but I want no part of Morales ever for anything. Not even for mop up?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 27, 2013 21:08:09 GMT -5
You're an idiot, Just kidding, but I want no part of Morales ever for anything. Not even for mop up? He can mop up the dip spit and sunflower seeds in the dugout maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 21:09:35 GMT -5
Why PH for Buck with 2 outs? Didn't he already depleted the BP yesterday? Sarcasm? Not Sarcasm, What's the probability that the run is going to be RBI when there're 2 outs man 1st & 2nd? are more innings from Buck more valuable than that chance? Its a legit question. Doubront will go a second day in a row, and Dempster should be able to grab a couple innings.
If Dempster is in with the game on the line that means the manager failed the team horribly in my eyes.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 27, 2013 21:11:35 GMT -5
Call me an idiot, and I probably am, but I'd go out on a limb take a shot at using Morales for the 5th. Hope to get through the tough LH part of the lineup somehow, then bring Dempster in in the 6th. With Clay able to give only 4 innings, there is going to have to be some real cobbling done if the Sox are to have any reasonable shot at this game. You're an idiot, Just kidding, but I want no part of Morales ever for anything. That's fine, but if you start out with 11 pitchers, have two of your starters unable to give reasonable innings, AND simply discount one of your relievers entirely, you are getting to the point where you have no viable way to win this series.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 27, 2013 21:12:07 GMT -5
Not Sarcasm, What's the probability that the run is going to be RBI when there're 2 outs man 1st & 2nd? are more innings from Buck more valuable than that chance? Is a legit question. Doubront will go a second day in a row, and Dempster should be able to grab a couple innings.
If Dempster is in with the game on the line that means the manager failed the team horribly in my eyes. I don't think it's reasonable to have expected Buchholz to be able to go more than an inning longer. I'd have removed him from the game as soon as the next baserunner reached, especially considering it was the top of the lineup, and I'm much more comfortable that he didn't end up coming back out at all. Plus, with our offense being so desperate, you have to at least take a chance at getting an RBI hit. Also, burning Carp isn't a big loss, especially considering the Card's lefties and Napoli's availability.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 27, 2013 21:12:14 GMT -5
Not Sarcasm, What's the probability that the run is going to be RBI when there're 2 outs man 1st & 2nd? are more innings from Buck more valuable than that chance? Its a legit question. Doubront will go a second day in a row, and Dempster should be able to grab a couple innings.
If Dempster is in with the game on the line that means the manager failed the team horribly in my eyes. Don't even need the "in my eyes" part there. I think everyone on this board would agree with you on that one.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 27, 2013 21:12:36 GMT -5
Everything I'm seeing from Gomes - failure to take 3rd, horrible routes - seems pretty tangible so far.
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Post by jmei on Oct 27, 2013 21:13:16 GMT -5
Not Sarcasm, What's the probability that the run is going to be RBI when there're 2 outs man 1st & 2nd? are more innings from Buck more valuable than that chance? Is a legit question. Mike Carp hit .296/.362/.523 in 2013, and .300/.367/.537 versus righties. Clay Buchholz is a pitcher-- let's give him a 5% chance of getting on base. I would trade something like a 30-40% chance of scoring the go-ahead run for an extra inning from my starter any day.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 27, 2013 21:13:48 GMT -5
Not a great game for Ellsbury to completely crap the bed.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 27, 2013 21:15:23 GMT -5
You're an idiot, Just kidding, but I want no part of Morales ever for anything. That's fine, but if you start out with 11 pitchers, have two of your starters unable to give reasonable innings, AND simply discount one of your relievers entirely, you are getting to the point where you have no viable way to win this series. If usage of Morales has any factor in the series than there already is no viable way to win
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Post by preston on Oct 27, 2013 21:18:25 GMT -5
Not a great game for Ellsbury to completely crap the bed. Yeah, he's been pretty bad, but so has Shane and, tonight, Nava. If they want to win games in St. Louis they need the top of the order to do something because they're giving out outs at the bottom.
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Post by semperfisox on Oct 27, 2013 21:19:06 GMT -5
Baffles me why Bogey isn't ahead of gomes.
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