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Post by jmei on Dec 18, 2013 15:57:28 GMT -5
I think this trade should work for salary-matching purposes. espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=le97gf2The ESPN trade machine is being a bit funny, but the 125% rule means that to get Lee and Bass, Houston only needs to send out $9.3m of salary. So Asik + Brewer or Francisco Garcia should work. ADD: On the merits of the above trade, I think including the 1st round pick, even assuming it's the least-valuable 2015 Clippers one, might be a bit much. I'd probably do Bass and Lee straight-up for Asik and salary filler, though.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 18, 2013 16:39:56 GMT -5
My desire for Asik does depend on value and I agree, the 1st seems too much. I understand that legitimate Cs are hard to get (and the LAC pick, if that's the one, will be likely be late) but . . .
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Post by jmei on Dec 18, 2013 18:28:45 GMT -5
Adrian Wojnarowski ?@wojyahoonba 45m Celtics, Rockets still haggling over which future first-round pick goes to Houston in Asik deal, sources tell Yahoo.
Adrian Wojnarowski ?@wojyahoonba 2m Proposed Houston-Boston deal includes no third team, sources tell Yahoo.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 18, 2013 18:36:45 GMT -5
Those late first round picks don't pan out too often though... A good C is exactly what this team needs. Asik, Sullinger, Green, Bradley and Rondo would be a fun team to watch.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 18, 2013 19:32:15 GMT -5
I think its bogus a first rd puck is even going. If it's any pick besides the clippers first or Atlanta's first then Danny needs his head examind. Truthfully, it shouldn't be any first. Houston needs to deal this guy. A first rd pick shouldn't hold it up. Bass and Lee is a good package. Too bad they won't take Jordan Crawford... Guys too good
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Post by texs31 on Dec 18, 2013 22:50:07 GMT -5
I think the idea behind the first is to "compensate" Houston for taking on Lees salary. I agree though, has to be LAC pick. I don't even want to give up Atlantas since I think a good rotation player can be had at around 20.
BTW the latest is that the reported offer was from a week ago and Danny isn't budging. Good for him. Not sure who else is offering much.
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Post by jmei on Dec 19, 2013 13:08:32 GMT -5
Adrian Wojnarowski ?@wojyahoonba 3m Houston had created a self-imposed deadline of today, but remember: the trade deadline is still two months away.
Adrian Wojnarowski ?@wojyahoonba 4m Houston has found too many teams leery of Asik's contract next season, and hasn't found a deal it wants.
Adrian Wojnarowski ?@wojyahoonba 6m Houston has ended talks on an Omer Asik trade and plan to keep him for now, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 21, 2013 14:09:48 GMT -5
Ok so Brad Stevens has screwed up the Celtics by being too good too soon. This rebuild to get back to championship caliber is going to take forever with him turning every crappy team into a playoff team killing the chances of good draft picks. The first good pick from the nets is the 2016 draft as Atlanta is going to score this year from the Nets sucking.
How many first rd picks is Stevens worth to a young talented team? NO, DET, GS, SAC.... Let's trade him before we burn him out...
Mostly sarcastic but came to my mind
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 21, 2013 23:42:29 GMT -5
I was watching the Suns vs. Mavs game and how the hell did we not get Eric Bledsoe? That dude is insanely talented and looks like he could very well be a solid 2nd option on a contending team. What a steal Ryan McDonough and the Suns got.
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Post by bmitchsox on Dec 22, 2013 16:12:41 GMT -5
The Suns got a great pickup, kind of wish we could've got him for Doc's compensation. Also, I agree that Brad has made us way too good. This is the one draft we should be tanking for, but somehow we're gonna get stuck in mediocrity. They need to atleast get rid of all of their veterans and get younger assets.
How do you guys feel about trading Rondo? I'd love to see us build around him, but it's probably better long term to try and get multiple picks for him if we can.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 22, 2013 21:44:32 GMT -5
I'd keep and sign rondo longterm if you can. Any team you trade him to will be too good for picks to matter. He's big time in the playoffs too.
I don't think you can trade coaches for players. Remember there was all this crap about us not being able to package Doc with Garnett to get player and picks.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 23, 2013 9:33:20 GMT -5
The wildcard(s) in all of this are those Brooklyn picks. We HAVE to keep those.
In 2016-18, we either have their pick or the right to switch. It's possible they could allow us to be "competitive" each year (and by competitive, I mean maybe making the playoffs with an outside shot at making the 2nd round) while still having a shot at a lottery pick (3 years straight).
I'm not sure about Rondo. The concern is that you are going to have to pay him the Max and for a number of those years, you'd be doing so for him to lead that "competitive" team. I"m not sure that make sense. By the time Boston is an actual contender, Rajon will be on the the latter part of that contract. I also wonder if, assuming health, Sully is turning into the type of player you're going to have to extend for big money (Roy Hibbert said he could be the Kevin Love of the East - for whatever that's worth).
Lastly, while they are currently in the playoff hunt, Boston is only 0.5 games out of going from the 15th pick in the draft to the 8/9 spot in the lottery and 2.5 out of having the 5th spot. New York and Cleveland can still turn this around (I would've said Brooklyn too, prior to the Lopez injury). I'm not giving up hope yet.
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Post by bmitchsox on Dec 23, 2013 20:07:02 GMT -5
Agreed, those Brooklyn picks could turn us into a complete powerhouse. I wouldn't mind them building around Rondo, but i'd rather trade him for a high pick and take Embiid. He has the most most polished offensive game for a big since Big Al, and I personally see him as blossoming into a regular all star/MVP candidate. If we could have both guys i'd be so down for that!
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 23, 2013 23:38:06 GMT -5
Agreed, those Brooklyn picks could turn us into a complete powerhouse. I wouldn't mind them building around Rondo, but i'd rather trade him for a high pick and take Embiid. He has the most most polished offensive game for a big since Big Al, and I personally see him as blossoming into a regular all star/MVP candidate. If we could have both guys i'd be so down for that! I get your line of thought but that flat out ain't happening under the new CBA. Embiid is going Top 5 on what's perceived as the deepest draft since the LeBron one. Nobody is trading that high a pick for Rondo. You might get Noah Vonleh or Montrezl Harrell for Rondo, and both would still be some good value.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 3, 2014 22:38:09 GMT -5
Don't look now.....
Oh and Rondo could you stay away?? They have something going now.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 4, 2014 0:07:07 GMT -5
Stevens may have saved his job the past couple weeks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 4, 2014 16:29:15 GMT -5
Never been happier to lose back to back games... Big time to not just lose but lose competitively and to two important teams. Now let's go get smoked the rest of the month with this rough schedule.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 5, 2014 20:21:28 GMT -5
It's not even halfway into the year and I'm already counting losses and scoreboard watching.
Praying Cleveland gets Gasol to make a playoff run.
Loving Chicago getting things going.
Hoping that Danny trades Humphry, Crawford, Bass and anyone else who can help them win games without getting other good ready pieces back....
I want a top 5 pick this next draft.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 5, 2014 20:27:15 GMT -5
Lee for Bayless looks like a good move... Nice to get out of that contract.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 5, 2014 20:33:01 GMT -5
Yea, big time move, helps on several levels:
1. Clears money as Lee had another year and Bayless is in last year 2. Makes team worse (Lee is having a good year under Stevens on both ends) 3. Makes Memphis better - only 16 wins right now and in a tough conference
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Post by jmei on Jan 5, 2014 20:38:14 GMT -5
This is the first outright tank move this year. I imagine it's motivated at least in part by Lee wanting more playing time.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 5, 2014 21:18:15 GMT -5
You don't buy the argument that Bayless is a better fit because he's better at creating his own shot? Ha
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Post by texs31 on Jan 6, 2014 9:33:04 GMT -5
Lee actually had 2 more years after this. Brilliant trade!
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 8, 2014 10:12:34 GMT -5
another good night for the Celtics. They lost and a few teams below and just above them won including some big upsets.
Utah inexplicably started 1-14, but are 11-11 since. They are a talented team and will continue to play about .500 ball so they will climb the rankings.
Cleveland should as well with the addition of Deng.
Chicago has been on a roll, won without Deng last night, but could go either way. I still think its a better team then the C's and Thibideau only knows how to compete.
By the end of this Brutal month, perhaps even trip, I expect the Celts to have the 3rd or 4th worst record with MIL and ORL 1-2. Maybe this will get Danny to trade certain guys like Humphrey, Bass and Crawford to weaken the team a bit. Hump and Crawford are free agents so maybe you want to hold onto them, but that could make them valuable. I find it hard to believe teams wouldn't want a Hump and his rebounding, esp with his improved D and expiring contract. Green would be nice to trade as the team would really suck. Wallace has a bad contract but he helps you lose and you can't move him without giving up assets, not worth it.
Let's keep the losing up... Top 5 pick is unfortunately necessary.
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Post by jmei on Jan 8, 2014 11:04:44 GMT -5
Humpries is a $12m expiring, which makes it tough for a contender to trade for him because of salary-matching rules and the Celtics' presumed desire to only get other expiring contracts in return. There aren't many contenders with $12m-ish of non-essential expiring contracts.
Crawford is a restricted free agent this summer and the Celtics might want to re-sign him. At any rate, they'll want a real asset for him, but he doesn't have the track record that might entice another team to give up a draft pick or a young player in return.
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