hank
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Post by hank on Jan 22, 2014 12:55:43 GMT -5
I have serious doubt Webster will ever put it together, at least in Boston. He seems to be mentally pillow soft. Something bad happens and more often than not he goes right to the 1000 yard stare, deer in the headlights look, it scares me and I just don't trust him out there. Seems like a great kid and maybe he'll get it it in a small market some day but if someone came knocking with a solid offer I'd be in, just my take. I'm not much of one for amateur psychology. I'd rather that the staff have him work on his mechanics, getting him to repeat his motion and developing a rhythm. Maybe they'll put him on the couch if that doesn't work. Pretty sure that's what the staff has been doing. And what they did with Daniel Bard. Mental toughness is part of being a successful pitcher, particularly in a place like Boston. You don't need to play shrink to see Webster's problems are at least partly mental.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 22, 2014 19:09:56 GMT -5
I'm not much of one for amateur psychology. I'd rather that the staff have him work on his mechanics, getting him to repeat his motion and developing a rhythm. Maybe they'll put him on the couch if that doesn't work. Pretty sure that's what the staff has been doing. And what they did with Daniel Bard. Mental toughness is part of being a successful pitcher, particularly in a place like Boston. You don't need to play shrink to see Webster's problems are at least partly mental. That's a contradictory statement if I've ever seen one.
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Post by charliezink16 on Feb 18, 2014 2:18:24 GMT -5
As usual, Speier has a good article up on Webster.It's a bit reassuring when a player acknowledges his struggles and why they occurred. Due to the season he had people are going to sleep on Webster, but don't be surprised if he makes 10+ solid starts for the Sox.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 18, 2014 6:11:59 GMT -5
I'm not much of one for amateur psychology. I'd rather that the staff have him work on his mechanics, getting him to repeat his motion and developing a rhythm. Maybe they'll put him on the couch if that doesn't work. Pretty sure that's what the staff has been doing. And what they did with Daniel Bard. Mental toughness is part of being a successful pitcher, particularly in a place like Boston. You don't need to play shrink to see Webster's problems are at least partly mental. I'm pretty sure that Bard's problem couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that he was losing feel in his fingers. You don't need to feel a baseball to throw strikes. I'm also equally sure that every young pitcher with command issues has at least a partial mental problem. I think those two are Psych 101.
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Post by godot on Feb 18, 2014 7:00:31 GMT -5
Pretty sure that's what the staff has been doing. And what they did with Daniel Bard. Mental toughness is part of being a successful pitcher, particularly in a place like Boston. You don't need to play shrink to see Webster's problems are at least partly mental. I'm pretty sure that Bard's problem couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that he was losing feel in his fingers. You don't need to feel a baseball to throw strikes. I'm also equally sure that every young pitcher with command issues has at least a partial mental problem. I think those two are Psych 101. You do not needed to a feel a baseball to throw strikes, huh. Have you ever thrown a baseball? Come on now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 18, 2014 7:03:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that Bard's problem couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that he was losing feel in his fingers. You don't need to feel a baseball to throw strikes. I'm also equally sure that every young pitcher with command issues has at least a partial mental problem. I think those two are Psych 101. You do not needed to a feel a baseball to throw strikes, huh. Have you ever thrown a baseball? Come on now. Godot: Italics = sarcasm LCBF: Hank's post is from January 22. Bard's thoracic outlet surgery was reported around January 31.
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Post by joshv02 on Feb 18, 2014 7:12:45 GMT -5
Why does it matter when the stories about Bard came out? Shouldn't that just tell Hank to wait? I don't care about if Hank should have known he was wrong - what I care about is that Hank was wrong. It's being wrong about Bard that effects if I should believe what he writes about Webster. Ignoring what should be known would just be the icing.
Armchair psychiatry is not less bs'y than armchair surgery simply bc it's easier to use the language.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 18, 2014 9:58:54 GMT -5
Why does it matter when the stories about Bard came out? Shouldn't that just tell Hank to wait? I don't care about if Hank should have known he was wrong - what I care about is that Hank was wrong. It's being wrong about Bard that effects if I should believe what he writes about Webster. Ignoring what should be known would just be the icing. Armchair psychiatry is not less bs'y than armchair surgery simply bc it's easier to use the language. For me, his being wrong about Bard had absolutely nothing to do with it. I was just trying to blow up the If A is true B is true general case relationship. Even if Bard was a complete psycho, it would have absolutely nothing to do with Webster. I really find it difficult to believe that posters in general here have any clue whatsoever what's inside Webster or Bard or anyone's head if they don't know them personally on a day to day basis.
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Post by sibbysisti on Feb 18, 2014 10:23:21 GMT -5
I'm not much of one for amateur psychology. I'd rather that the staff have him work on his mechanics, getting him to repeat his motion and developing a rhythm. Maybe they'll put him on the couch if that doesn't work. Pretty sure that's what the staff has been doing. And what they did with Daniel Bard. Mental toughness is part of being a successful pitcher, particularly in a place like Boston. You don't need to play shrink to see Webster's problems are at least partly mental. Yea. Ninety percent of pitching is half mental.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 18, 2014 10:26:42 GMT -5
Having watched Webster pitch from a good vantage point - we were a few rows up along the third base line - it was obvious to me that his motion was inconsistent, and I'm not even a scout. As for the way his fastball tailed up and lost its sink, that was quite clear from the Pitch f/x data I posted a while back. The extra sling he was loading up with the arm too far back, probably to try to overpower hitters, can be seen as a symptom of the former, and a cause of the latter.
That a young pitcher should experience wild swings in his effectiveness given the adrenaline rush, is about as surprising as having another slow grounder make its way pasta diving Jeter. Patience please.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 18, 2014 11:33:25 GMT -5
My point was that being sarcastic about the nerve problem that nobody knew about yet in a way that seemed mocking wasn't fair.
If you want to argue the point, sure. In fact I'd probably agree. Just don't make it seem like someone is dumb for not knowing something that hadn't been reported yet.
Side note: I'm thinking that we need to come up with another way to show sarcasm, as italics don't show up on the Proboards app...
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 18, 2014 11:42:04 GMT -5
My point was that being sarcastic about the nerve problem that nobody knew about yet in a way that seemed mocking wasn't fair. If you want to argue the point, sure. In fact I'd probably agree. Just don't make it seem like someone is dumb for not knowing something that hadn't been reported yet. Side note: I'm thinking that we need to come up with another way to show sarcasm, as italics don't show up on the Proboards app... Yeah, it's soooo hard to pick up on sarcasm without italics.
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Post by bjb406 on Feb 18, 2014 12:00:50 GMT -5
I remember before we started using italics, and the only thing that caused more pointless arguments was TianteTwirl
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 18, 2014 14:27:44 GMT -5
Contact proboards - I can't they create a app that shows italics? Get some emoticons while you're at it so we can smile and cry to one another.
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hank
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Post by hank on Mar 4, 2014 17:32:55 GMT -5
Why does it matter when the stories about Bard came out? Shouldn't that just tell Hank to wait? I don't care about if Hank should have known he was wrong - what I care about is that Hank was wrong. It's being wrong about Bard that effects if I should believe what he writes about Webster. Ignoring what should be known would just be the icing. Armchair psychiatry is not less bs'y than armchair surgery simply bc it's easier to use the language. For me, his being wrong about Bard had absolutely nothing to do with it. I was just trying to blow up the If A is true B is true general case relationship. Even if Bard was a complete psycho, it would have absolutely nothing to do with Webster. I really find it difficult to believe that posters in general here have any clue whatsoever what's inside Webster or Bard or anyone's head if they don't know them personally on a day to day basis. It's not about psychiatry. As Nick Cafardo said in his mailbag today Webster looks nervous out there. Maybe he's nervous because he doesn't trust his motion. Maybe he's just a nervous guy. Does it really matter why? He's nervous and you can see it.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 4, 2014 17:55:04 GMT -5
I'm hoping that we get something out of the trade with LA. I saw RDLR twice last year in the spring when he was sporting a 91-94 apparently straight or poorly located fastball and he did not fool or impress anyone. Today he was hammered too. Webster...boy I just don't know. In the games I saw on TV last year, he looked scared. The guy has the best stuff of anyone...but apparently expects the worst results....I don't know if either of these guys will ever help. Include them in a trade?
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Post by soxfan1615 on Mar 4, 2014 18:24:48 GMT -5
I'm hoping that we get something out of the trade with LA. I saw RDLR twice last year in the spring when he was sporting a 91-94 apparently straight or poorly located fastball and he did not fool or impress anyone. Today he was hammered too. Webster...boy I just don't know. In the games I saw on TV last year, he looked scared. The guy has the best stuff of anyone...but apparently expects the worst results....I don't know if either of these guys will ever help. Include them in a trade? We did get something already, we dumped millions of dollars on them, and won a championship. That trade is already a great trade for us, if Webster or RLDR becomes anything, that trade will be one of the biggest robberies ever.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 4, 2014 19:48:52 GMT -5
For me, his being wrong about Bard had absolutely nothing to do with it. I was just trying to blow up the If A is true B is true general case relationship. Even if Bard was a complete psycho, it would have absolutely nothing to do with Webster. I really find it difficult to believe that posters in general here have any clue whatsoever what's inside Webster or Bard or anyone's head if they don't know them personally on a day to day basis. It's not about psychiatry. As Nick Cafardo said in his mailbag today Webster looks nervous out there. Maybe he's nervous because he doesn't trust his motion. Maybe he's just a nervous guy. Does it really matter why? He's nervous and you can see it. I started ignoring any of Cafardo's stuff years ago. His mailbag is stuffed with bad jokes. You might be wise to do the same. C. C. Sabathia has looked worried since he started with Cleveland years ago. It don't mean squat.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 4, 2014 20:26:21 GMT -5
Hey hey hey, hey. Hey. what's wrong with bad jokes? That's half of my contribution to the podcast dude!
On a serious note, are we really analyzing one spring training start?
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 4, 2014 21:05:39 GMT -5
It's all about the results/production. If you saw Webster pitching effectively you would've seen a guy who looked confident. Instead, you saw Webster pitch poorly in his first exposure to the MLB. Was he supposed to project confidence during those starts? If he didn't show any emotion I'd assume the Cafardo's of the world would question if he really cared about the game, or if he could "handle" the Boston intensity.
Pedro Martinez was the most confident Red Sox player I've ever seen and I can remember multiple bad starts where he looked scared and embarrassed. It's hard to look confident during failure.
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 5, 2014 10:18:26 GMT -5
I think Webster just suffers from baby face syndrome.
If we are talking about nerves/mental toughness, something I feel like I really can't judge, I think we should also call out that Webster is only 24, only made 7 MLB starts, and only been in AAA for a year. Way too soon to declare he is not mentally tough enough for the MLB.
I'm a Webster fan, he is in my top 3 favorite prospects with Bradly + Bogaerts. He might never put it all together, but if he does he has the highest ceiling of any pitching prospect we have.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 5, 2014 11:40:28 GMT -5
Lackey looks mad. He must be a clubhouse cancer.
Let's stop trying to be psychologists by looking at people's faces.
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Post by okin15 on Mar 5, 2014 11:57:47 GMT -5
Well, Lackey wasn't (isn't?) super awesome for the clubhouse (which i guess is a lot different than saying he's a cancer)... but that's beside the point.
Webster seems to me like a guy who just isn't going to get it together. I know it's only one ST start, but this is the time of year when this type of player is just supposed to throw and dominate before anyone starts working counts and discovering their swing. I dunno. I guess I go back and forth on him, but I don't have a ton of confidence in him. See the Vasquez thread for someone I'm high on.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 5, 2014 11:59:45 GMT -5
Webster dominated ST last year. That didn't matter.
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Post by sbones13 on Mar 5, 2014 12:09:26 GMT -5
Well, Lackey wasn't (isn't?) super awesome for the clubhouse (which i guess is a lot different than saying he's a cancer)... but that's beside the point. This is more BS. Lackey is one of the most well-liked guys in the clubhouse. If you talk to anyone in there, like clubhouse or security guys, they all think he's the best guy and love him. Teammates love the guy, too. He just won't play the pandering game with the media. When they ask idiotic questions he has no desire to be Jeter. To me, that's fine. When someone asks if he's "Surprised that he's doing well", he'll get annoyed and say, "Hell no, I was good before before I pitched two years with my arm hanging off, now I'm good again." People don't like that. I guess to the Felgers of the world it seems like excuse making, but it's the truth. Everybody WANTS these guys to show what they're thinking, right up until they don't...
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