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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2014 9:30:45 GMT -5
I think it's more about seeing the light shined on positional flexibility. Being passable in the OF would be a pretty nice thing. WMB has gotta be at least as good as Carp in the OF and I don't see why he wouldn't be ok in RF if needed. He's pretty athletic and has a great arm.
Pretty sure he's not being moved permanently.
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Post by jmei on Jun 19, 2014 9:34:36 GMT -5
I'm kindof assuming this won't be victorino's last DL trip this year though... Brock Holt would be the fill-in guy I'd prefer over playing Middlebrooks in the corner outfield, at least until Brock starts to seriously cool off. And, as you mentioned, Carp will probably be back at some point as well.
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Post by jmei on Jun 19, 2014 9:36:24 GMT -5
I think it's more about seeing the light shined on positional flexibility. Being passable in the OF would be a pretty nice thing. WMB has gotta be at least as good as Carp in the OF and I don't see why he wouldn't be ok in RF if needed. He's pretty athletic and has a great arm. Pretty sure he's not being moved permanently. I think of Middlebrooks playing LF like I think of Holt playing 1B. Sure, it's nice and all for emergency situations and day-to-day injuries and such, but you would never actually want him playing there for more than a game or two at a time.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2014 9:42:40 GMT -5
I think it's more about seeing the light shined on positional flexibility. Being passable in the OF would be a pretty nice thing. WMB has gotta be at least as good as Carp in the OF and I don't see why he wouldn't be ok in RF if needed. He's pretty athletic and has a great arm. Pretty sure he's not being moved permanently. I think of Middlebrooks playing LF like I think of Holt playing 1B. Sure, it's nice and all for emergency situations and day-to-day injuries and such, but you would never actually want him playing there for more than a game or two at a time. If Gomes were on the DL? How about RF if there were a LHP on the mound and Victorino isn't back yet? You want Nava out there?
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Post by jmei on Jun 19, 2014 9:59:37 GMT -5
I did specifically mention injuries in my post. Yes, if their two best right-handed-hitting outfielders are out, it would be useful to have Middlebrooks in a corner outfield spot. I'm not saying they shouldn't teach him the position while he's in the minors rehabbing, I'm saying that it makes no sense to pencil Middlebrooks in as anything more than an emergency depth option going forward. If those are long-term injuries, or we're talking about the potential 2015 roster, you want a better RHH corner outfield regular than Middlebrooks, and those are readily available.
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Post by oleary25 on Jun 19, 2014 12:17:45 GMT -5
I just read that Carlos Quentin maybe willing to waive his no trade clause according to Jon Heyman. He can definitely play left and is the right handed power bat we desperately need. He doesn't strike out a ton and walks seems to fit the Red Sox mold. He's had a down couple years of power due to Injury and Petco. I hope the Red Sox are in on him for the right price.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 19, 2014 12:38:57 GMT -5
I just read that Carlos Quentin maybe willing to waive his no trade clause according to Jon Heyman. He can definitely play left and is the right handed power bat we desperately need. He doesn't strike out a ton and walks seems to fit the Red Sox mold. He's had a down couple years of power due to Injury and Petco. I hope the Red Sox are in on him for the right price. not that high a walk rate actually, but has averaged 20-25 HBP, though less this year and last
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2014 12:45:33 GMT -5
I just read that Carlos Quentin maybe willing to waive his no trade clause according to Jon Heyman. He can definitely play left and is the right handed power bat we desperately need. He doesn't strike out a ton and walks seems to fit the Red Sox mold. He's had a down couple years of power due to Injury and Petco. I hope the Red Sox are in on him for the right price. Would his defense be passable, even for LF at Fenway? With his injuries and lack of defensive skills, I'd wonder if he'd even be more than just a DH. They certainly could use his bat but the thought of him in LF on the road - would he make Manny look like a gold glover?
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Post by elguapo on Jun 19, 2014 12:49:30 GMT -5
Quentin can fill the void left by Thorty....?
Unfortunately he's a mediocre defender at best and most importantly doesn't have the skating ability that we need on the fourth line.
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Post by oleary25 on Jun 19, 2014 13:02:39 GMT -5
Well then I guess the question is how much will Kemp Cost in prospects and $. He's heating up and is a RH power bat we need and can occasionally play CF. Who do you think it'll take prospect wise to get the dodgers to throw in enough cash ? Also can he stay healthy ?
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Post by elguapo on Jun 19, 2014 13:48:25 GMT -5
I don't think it's a requirement than any acquisition have a lower WAR than JBJ....?
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Post by ctfisher on Jun 19, 2014 13:55:54 GMT -5
I don't think it's a requirement than any acquisition have a lower WAR than JBJ....? To be fair, with Kemp that's cause he's played the majority of his games in cf, which would probably not be the case for us. Or rather, I'd only be interested in Kemp if a huge chunk of his salary was eaten by the Dodgers and he played center on nothing more than an emergency basis. But .276/.3337/.467 at the right price with our outfield? He'd be an upgrade somewhere
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Post by elguapo on Jun 19, 2014 14:52:31 GMT -5
But .276/.3337/.467 at the right price with our outfield? He'd be an upgrade somewhere I've long been a Kemp fan, but it seems that his body no longer permits playing a minimally acceptable OF, unless I'm missing some very recent news on his physical well-being. Even Nomar had to give it up and go to 1B at a young age. But really, where did you think 267 / 337 / 467 with atrocious defense plays in our outfield? Clearly not in CF where JBJ has bombed at the plate yet outperformed Kemp - bWAR even has JBJ at 0.6 WAR, Kemp -0.6! We already have a productive offensive LF platoon with at least mediocre fielding, and the great Brock Holt in RF (let's say).
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2014 16:23:25 GMT -5
But .276/.3337/.467 at the right price with our outfield? He'd be an upgrade somewhere I've long been a Kemp fan, but it seems that his body no longer permits playing a minimally acceptable OF, unless I'm missing some very recent news on his physical well-being. Even Nomar had to give it up and go to 1B at a young age. But really, where did you think 267 / 337 / 467 with atrocious defense plays in our outfield? Clearly not in CF where JBJ has bombed at the plate yet outperformed Kemp - bWAR even has JBJ at 0.6 WAR, Kemp -0.6! We already have a productive offensive LF platoon with at least mediocre fielding, and the great Brock Holt in RF (let's say). He's not even passable in the field. He should be a DH.
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Post by suttree on Jun 20, 2014 13:53:26 GMT -5
Why not trade for Stephen Piscotty? We could give St. Louis some cost-controlled pitching depth.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 20, 2014 13:54:31 GMT -5
Yeah, St. Louis is way short on cost-controlled pitching depth.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2014 13:56:30 GMT -5
Yeah, St. Louis is way short on cost-controlled pitching depth. What do they have? Like 8-9 #3 or better starters on their 25 man roster?
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Post by suttree on Jun 20, 2014 15:04:16 GMT -5
Yeah, St. Louis is way short on cost-controlled pitching depth. You're kind of a douchebag huh? The Cardinals have a crowded outfield and limited AAA pitching depth despite a loaded MLB roster. It's worth a look.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 20, 2014 15:57:46 GMT -5
Yeah, St. Louis is way short on cost-controlled pitching depth. You're kind of a douchebag huh? The Cardinals have a crowded outfield and limited AAA pitching depth despite a loaded MLB roster. It's worth a look. Behind Wainwright and Garcia who are signed to long-term deals, the Cardinals have the following cost controlled pitchers already in the major leagues: In the MLB rotation
Lance Lynn (arb. eligible after this season) Shelby Miller Michael Wacha Joe Kelly (currently on disabled list) In the current MLB bullpen who were starters in the minors
Trevor Rosenthal Carlos Martinez (ranked #31 on the BA top 100 heading into '14) Seth Maness They also have Tim Cooney, probably about the equivalent of Brandon Workman or Anthony Ranaudo prospect-wise, in Triple-A. And Tyler Lyons to provide depth. Below that, they have an impressive group in the low minors that includes: -Alex Reyes (#98 overall on BPro's preseason Top 100, 10.5 K/9 as a 19 year old in the Midwest League) -Marco Gonzalez (19th overall selection in 2013, already in Double-A, 1.89 ERA and 4.33 K/BB between Palm Beach and Springfield in 76 1/3 innings in 2014) -Rob Kaminsky (28th overall selection in 2013, currently dominating the Midwest League with a 1.45 ERA) -Luke Weaver (27th overall selection in 2014 out of Florida St, signed Tuesday) That team has more cost-controlled pitching talent than the entire American League East.
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Post by oleary25 on Jun 21, 2014 13:45:17 GMT -5
The more I've been thinking about it I think Carlos Quentin is what we need. His only problem is staying healthy. I was reading his OPS is .438 at home while .729 away from Petco. He has easy power and can play left. He just needs to get away from Petco and stay healthy. He won't cost much in regards of prospects or money. He's making 9.5 million this year and 8 next year. He's only 31 years old as well.
I also wanted to raise this question to the forum can we be buyers and sellers this year ? I could see us trading someone like Peavy for some outfield help, AJ Pierzynski , or a reliever for some prospects. What are your thoughts ?
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 21, 2014 15:11:05 GMT -5
We have a good working relationship with the Pirates. They need pitching and have surplus outfielders. I like to get Bell. They usually love our prospects . Between the Pirates and A's.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 21, 2014 17:32:56 GMT -5
Raul Ibanez is now a free agent. ZiPS thinks he can still hit 96 wRC+.
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Post by jmei on Jun 21, 2014 17:35:25 GMT -5
Raul Ibanez is now a free agent. ZiPS thinks he can still hit 96 wRC+. ...which would still make him not much more than a replacement-level player, considering his atrocious defense.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 21, 2014 17:38:33 GMT -5
Raul Ibanez is now a free agent. ZiPS thinks he can still hit 96 wRC+. ...which would still make him not much more than a replacement-level player, considering his atrocious defense. Well ZiPS has him at +0.4 WAR, and Fenway's LF is small. Also he would be a better option to spell Ortiz at DH than Pierzynski. He is quite certainly inferior to Mike Carp, though, so if Carp is coming back anytime soon we don't need him. There are no 10-day contracts in MLB, right?
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Post by redsox4242 on Jun 21, 2014 17:41:53 GMT -5
The more I've been thinking about it I think Carlos Quentin is what we need. His only problem is staying healthy. I was reading his OPS is .438 at home while .729 away from Petco. He has easy power and can play left. He just needs to get away from Petco and stay healthy. He won't cost much in regards of prospects or money. He's making 9.5 million this year and 8 next year. He's only 31 years old as well. I also wanted to raise this question to the forum can we be buyers and sellers this year ? I could see us trading someone like Peavy for some outfield help, AJ Pierzynski , or a reliever for some prospects. What are your thoughts ? I Agree, I really think one of our pitchers will be traded. Obviously, i think the odd man out is going to be peavy. However, what can we get for him? a 2nd level prospect? Pierzynski, as far as im concerned i am done with him. He is a train reck at the plate, no discipline whatsoever. Why would we sign him? i complete bust in my opionion. i would trade AJ and play Swihart!!! LET THE KID PLAY!
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