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Post by bsout2 on Jun 4, 2014 11:25:11 GMT -5
It is now June and the Red Sox OF remains historically bad. I did not know if this deserved it's own thread and thus deliberation of how the Red Sox will attempt to fix the problem?
The Red Sox can't win with the OF production they are currently receiving. Victorino is out until atleast July, Sizemore continues to be unimpressive, Gomes can't hit right handers, Nava is no longer allowed to play MLB (or so it appears) and there is no one to call up right now from AAA.
I think Bradley is safe as a result of his defense and the fact that LF & RF need to be addressed first.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 11:34:07 GMT -5
If Nava is not allowed to play, then maybe we should fix the manager position first.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2014 11:34:39 GMT -5
Maybe we can hose the D-backs and pick up Gerardo Parra for spare parts.....have him cover a corner OF position vs. righties with Gomes against lefties.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Jun 4, 2014 11:46:11 GMT -5
With the loss of Pollock, Arizona currently has an outfield of Parra and two journeymen who if are lucky will produce at something like replacement level. Obviously they are not a team that is in contention, but I still have a hard time seeing them rolling out an entire AAA outfield intentionally.
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Post by qazmlpgh on Jun 4, 2014 11:54:56 GMT -5
Corey Dickerson strikes me as an interesting target for a platoon with Gomes.
.301/.347/.568 line against RHP for his career.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 12:07:31 GMT -5
Corey Dickerson strikes me as an interesting target for a platoon with Gomes. .301/.347/.568 line against RHP for his career. Check his home/away splits as well.
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Post by bsout2 on Jun 4, 2014 12:09:32 GMT -5
Do you guys think Holt goes to the OF?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 4, 2014 12:26:13 GMT -5
I'M FEELING MOOKIE COOKIE
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 4, 2014 12:27:42 GMT -5
Corey Dickerson strikes me as an interesting target for a platoon with Gomes. .301/.347/.568 line against RHP for his career. He's an intriguing option, but CarGo could be looking at extended time out with this weird finger injury that the Rockies are unsure how to treat. Dickerson would take over as the everyday LF vs. RHP and the Rockies may be hesitant to move him now, as they're only 1.5 back in the WC standings. He's also playing out of his mind right now, trailing only Puig and Cruz in OF wRC+ (min. 90 PA). I'm really of the belief that Sizemore needs to be DFA'd. He's horrendous vs. lefties, really looks like he can't hit good pitching, and his defense appears to be pretty average in a corner spot. I just don't see him improving much from what we've seen. Sure, he can have a 2 for 4 game here and there when one of his balls to the right side gets through, but this is a .650 OPS corner outfielder whose body is never going to allow him to be what he was 8 years ago. As soon as Napoli is activated, I'm not going to lie, I'd go with a Sizemore DFA over optioning Herrera or Hassan, if for no other reason than it'd take away a weak option with little upside that Farrell insists on playing close to everyday. Vs. RHP, trot out Holt/JBJ/Nava in the outfield. Vs. LHP, use Gomes/JBJ/Hassan (or Holt). I think Byrd would be a helpful piece this season, but while he's showing his 2013 resurrection/breakout to be at least partially legit, I'm extremely hesitant to be paying him $8 million next year for his age 37 season. He's also striking out a ton (28.6%, above last years career high 24.9% mark) and is once again running a high BABIP. Denorfia and Smith are more attractive options to me, but Denorfia is really only a plus vs. lefties and Smith would cost too much to just be a platoon left fielder. Agree with the idea that we can't keep adding players with extreme platoon splits. In a trade, we should target a solid outfielder who doesn't have to be spectacular, but ideally would be competent to trot out regardless of the handedness of the pitcher. You know who would be a great fit in the lineup? Allen Craig. Unfortunately, Matt Adams just hit the DL with a calf injury, but with Oscar Taveras up, one of the two could be forced out. Craig's a thunderous bat vs LHP and is still above average vs. righties, while being a decent defender both at first base and in the outfield corners.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 12:31:16 GMT -5
Love the new avatar Matt. haha
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2014 12:33:51 GMT -5
FYI, if this thread starts looking like a de facto trade proposal thread, it will be moved to the appropriate forum.
BTW, I think the short-term answer will be platooning Gomes and Nava in LF and getting Holt some time in the OF, especially against tough lefties, until ShaneO returns.
vs. RHP - Nava, Bradley, Sizemore/Holt vs. LHP - Gomes, Bradley/Sizemore, Holt
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Post by jimoh on Jun 4, 2014 13:02:12 GMT -5
Could someone like Dominic Brown work? From the flailing Phils? Larry Bowa complains about his attitude, but maybe we could fix that. Not that I would be proposing a specific trade here.
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2014 13:06:53 GMT -5
I'M FEELING MOOKIE COOKIE I get the feeling they're penciling in Mookie for the second half. I think he's a better option than some guys mentioned in the media (Tabata). Also last week reports said they want to get Holt time there. It's tough bc how much can you count on Vicorino going forward? Do you have a roster of JBJ, Vic, Gomes, Holt and Mookie and play match ups or do you try and trade for someone? I've always wanted to see a carlos Quinten in Fenway but he's signed for next year too and probably costs more than what BC wants to give up.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 4, 2014 13:08:13 GMT -5
Could someone like Dominic Brown work? From the flailing Phils? Larry Bowa complains about his attitude, but maybe we could fix that. Not that I would be proposing a specific trade here. Attitude is the least of his problems -- he's a terrible player. See jmei's post today on him for more info. If the Sox traded for him over playing Nava... Well, I don't even know what I'd do.
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Post by jmei on Jun 4, 2014 13:09:16 GMT -5
Could someone like Dominic Brown work? From the flailing Phils? Larry Bowa complains about his attitude, but maybe we could fix that. Not that I would be proposing a specific trade here. No.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 13:09:18 GMT -5
Could someone like Dominic Brown work? From the flailing Phils? Larry Bowa complains about his attitude, but maybe we could fix that. Not that I would be proposing a specific trade here. Attitude is the least of his problems -- he's a terrible player. See jmei's post today on him for more info. If the Sox traded for him over playing Nava... Well, I don't even know what I'd do. I feel the same way about pretty much every trade, unless it's for a RH batter or someone who can play center. Why are we hoping to trade for a player who can turn it around when we already have one on the team who could?
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Post by godot on Jun 4, 2014 13:21:01 GMT -5
I am curious why Nava supporters believe he still is the hitter he was last year. By his admission he isn't. That is not to say, he will not turn it around, but as of now does not seem so. Or what is that the Sox don't see that you do see and know.
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Post by mattpicard on Jun 4, 2014 13:24:38 GMT -5
I am curious why Nava supporters believe he still is the hitter he was last year. By his admission he isn't. That is not to say, he will not turn it around, but as of now does not seem so. Or what is that the Sox don't see that you do see and know. Because even if he's the hitter he was in 2010 and 2012, he should be in the lineup vs RHP over Gomes
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 13:25:55 GMT -5
I am curious why Nava supporters believe he still is the hitter he was last year. By his admission he isn't. That is not to say, he will not turn it around, but as of now does not seem so. Or what is that the Sox don't see that you do see and know. It's pretty easy to believe that Nava's possible upside vs. RHP is much higher than Gomes' possible upside. Nava doesn't really have much to improve on to exceed our current performance. He doesn't have to be the hitter he was last year. In fact, he's already better for the season vs RHP.
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Post by godot on Jun 4, 2014 14:27:59 GMT -5
Not much of a ringing endorsement of Nava. Personally can't believe he wil not turn it around
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 14:30:22 GMT -5
Not much of a ringing endorsement of Nava. Personally can't believe he wil not turn it around It doesn't cost anything to find out, except for taking Gomes' .541 OPS out of the lineup.
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Post by godot on Jun 4, 2014 14:43:30 GMT -5
Agreed, but don't know how much time he has. Suspect that they see Holtz as his replacement in the scheme of things.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 4, 2014 15:08:02 GMT -5
Cuban defector Daniel Carbonell just sitting out there. 23, wheels, decent swing and played with Abreu and Puig and 1 year with Cespedes. He wants a 4-year deal. Sox were in on him early but have backed away, it had been implied - though no one can say definitively - because he wants Puig/Abreu money. I get that this may be too much for an unknown quantity but not like they have a lot of OF depth and no one has paid him yet.
It's only money so no prospects. Besides, the Marlins aren't trading Stanton while they're in the hunt, and if you're waiting for July 31 to see if you can finally get Cliff Lee or Samardijza, then it will be too late. We need help now. Make him a good offer.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2014 15:19:38 GMT -5
Carbonell has to sign by July 2nd, basically. There really hasn't been anything said about him in 2 weeks.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 4, 2014 15:38:54 GMT -5
Carbonell has to sign by July 2nd, basically. There really hasn't been anything said about him in 2 weeks. Yah. Weird for a guy whose agent was circulating a rumor of 5 finalists, including Boston, but that NYY and Sea were front runners to sign him. Price dropping?
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