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Post by larrycook on Jun 9, 2014 7:45:07 GMT -5
With Atlanta desperately needing a second baseman and pitching, I was thinking we could send them Pedroia and a package of Lester and Webster and Barnes for Heyward.
We move Heyward out of the lead off position and replace him with Holt, who replaces Pedrioa at second.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2014 8:03:15 GMT -5
With Atlanta desperately needing a second baseman and pitching, I was thinking we could send them Pedroia and a package of Lester and Webster and Barnes for Heyward. We move Heyward out of the lead off position and replace him with Holt, who replaces Pedrioa at second. Is that all? C'mon man.
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 9, 2014 8:59:24 GMT -5
With Atlanta desperately needing a second baseman and pitching, I was thinking we could send them Pedroia and a package of Lester and Webster and Barnes for Heyward. We move Heyward out of the lead off position and replace him with Holt, who replaces Pedrioa at second. You forgot to put all of that in Italics
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Post by okin15 on Jun 9, 2014 9:08:03 GMT -5
There's not a good solution to this problem other than get Vic healthy, and get JBJ and Nava about 40 points above Mendoza. I mean, as many others have said, using the platoon advantage every night wouldn't hurt either. Only other option is a big trade, and I just don't think it's in the cards right now. I mean, are we really gut-the-farm type buyers this year (or ever)?
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Post by andrewdon on Jun 9, 2014 9:47:20 GMT -5
With Atlanta desperately needing a second baseman and pitching, I was thinking we could send them Pedroia and a package of Lester and Webster and Barnes for Heyward. We move Heyward out of the lead off position and replace him with Holt, who replaces Pedrioa at second. Thats a solid return for the Red Sox. Im all for it.
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Post by oleary25 on Jun 9, 2014 11:46:18 GMT -5
I find it interesting I make the suggestion of Cecchini to left field yesterday and today Rosanthal tweets he wouldn't be surprised to see them try him out there. I really do think he would help out tremendously until Victorinio is healthy. Worst case he'll drive up the pitch count and get on base. Also with him and holt on the team you have a lot of position flexibility.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2014 11:47:15 GMT -5
Another Cuban CF who is looking to sign before July 2. According to Ben Badler he is superior to Daniel Carbonell, though very aggressive at the plate: Highlight reel catch in there. He's 26, older, more developed and more Intl competition than Carbonell Also this: @benbadler · 31m Rusney Castillo, the top Cuban player on the market, has a new highlight video. His home run-saving catch is terrific bit.ly/1pWpw7Y @benbadler @spncrpatterson Who is better, Castillo or Carbonell? ?@benbadler 14m Castillo. ADDED: If Farrell sees this video he'll demand the club signs him. Castillo successfully legs out two bunts.
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Post by oleary25 on Jun 9, 2014 12:00:59 GMT -5
Both players would benefit the Red Sox. However keep in mind they'll most likely not come to the majors until September at the earliest. I think Castillo is less likely to be a bust out of the two due to his tool set. Personally like most of you I can't wait for Alfredo Despaine to come to the States. That's one talent worth breaking the bank for.
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Post by jdb on Jun 9, 2014 12:40:47 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 9, 2014 12:59:51 GMT -5
With Atlanta desperately needing a second baseman and pitching, I was thinking we could send them Pedroia and a package of Lester and Webster and Barnes for Heyward. We move Heyward out of the lead off position and replace him with Holt, who replaces Pedrioa at second. C'mon, you don't expect Atlanta to go for that do you? To even out the deal, the Sox MUST include Bogaerts.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2014 15:22:44 GMT -5
Brendan McGair ?@bwmcgair03 2m Tonight also marks Mookie Betts' fifth straight start in CF for the @pawsox #RedSox
so……………..
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2014 15:52:58 GMT -5
Both players would benefit the Red Sox. However keep in mind they'll most likely not come to the majors until September at the earliest. I think Castillo is less likely to be a bust out of the two due to his tool set. Personally like most of you I can't wait for Alfredo Despaine to come to the States. That's one talent worth breaking the bank for. Badler says both ready to go for second half. I believe in Carbonell's case he has to sign before July 2 to avoid losing a ton of cash because July 2 or after subjects him to team's Intl pool dollar allotment.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2014 15:54:55 GMT -5
With Atlanta desperately needing a second baseman and pitching, I was thinking we could send them Pedroia and a package of Lester and Webster and Barnes for Heyward. We move Heyward out of the lead off position and replace him with Holt, who replaces Pedrioa at second. This made me laugh out loud . And then I thought, "Wait, this may not be a joke." So. I have to ask you larrycook - are you serious here, just trolling, or an MFY/MFR fan?
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2014 16:27:53 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler 11 min. Easily. I haven't talked to any scout who really likes Carbonell RT @davidrelliott is Castillo considered a better prospect than Carbonell?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 9, 2014 16:38:50 GMT -5
So he hasn't talked to Guidas... The Red Sox probably won't sign either but if they do it appears Castillo would be the better choice.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2014 17:44:20 GMT -5
So he hasn't talked to Guidas... The Red Sox probably won't sign either but if they do it appears Castillo would be the better choice. I was pretty clear I had no idea what Carbonell is and my only hope is that the Sox did. Despaigne gets sprung, however, I'm all in.
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Post by dfwsox on Jun 9, 2014 18:16:37 GMT -5
Definitely a missed opportunity right now for Brentz, not that he probably would be the answer but I would like to see him get a taste. Hes decent on defense and has some power. Who knows.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 9, 2014 18:17:09 GMT -5
How good a hitter is Brock Holt? Is he really any kind of potential OF solution, one who would of course be very helpful as a backup 2B and 3B as well?
Here's his career according to Clay Davenport's Peak Translations, which is to say his projected EqA (TAv) at his peak, calculated after each season based on that year's numbers. I've listed three separate positional adjustments: as a 2B, as a RF / theoretical LF, and as an actual LF (.006 better because the actual crop of LFers is so weak).
Keep in mind that .265 is MLB average for a starter.
Lvl is average level played at where 1.0 is Rookie and 7.0 is MLB.
Year Age Lvl PA 2B RF LF 2009 21 2.0 285 .273 .256 .262 2010 22 4.0 218 .284 .267 .273 2011 23 5.0 579 .262 .245 .251 2012 24 5.4 610 .285 .268 .274 2013 25 6.2 401 .226 .209 .215 2014 26 6.5 247 .296 .279 .285
You can see that last year was such a huge outlier that we might be justified in ignoring it completely.
Keep in mind that all of these numbers are adjusted for age, so what he's done this year can't be explained as an improvement because he's nearing his peak years; he's been even better this year than projected based on even his best seasons at age 22 and 24.
If you substitute his worst other year for last year and then take a 5-4-3 weighted average of his last three years (also weighting by PA, of course), you get .267 as an actual LF. Ditto if you use 3-2-1 weights.
The conclusion is that he's obviously not the guy we've seen (130 wRC+), but that given the current weak crop of LF hitters, he would be MLB average in LF, or a tick above. Obviously, with his .278 figure as a 2B, he's good enough to start there for many teams.
He could be included in a deal for an actual OF, if some team was convinced he was the answer at 2B. Or he could be kept as a terrific 10th guy, a guy you slot in when almost anyone is out with an injury.
In the meantime, I think that you might have to give him the nod over Nava in LF if, between now and Victorino's return, he outhits Nava by a whole lot.
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Post by dfwsox on Jun 9, 2014 18:30:58 GMT -5
Interesting numbers there. I really do hope Nava gets it going I pull for that guy. But agree that Holt probably should be getting more time over Nava.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 9, 2014 18:40:05 GMT -5
How good a hitter is Brock Holt? Is he really any kind of potential OF solution, one who would of course be very helpful as a backup 2B and 3B as well? Here's what I wrote in the last series thread on the topic... Brock Holt 2014 compared to 2012-2013: BB% down, K% way up, O-Swing% up, Z-Swing%, O-Contact% and Z-Contact% all down. Since he wasn't particularly good in 2012-2013, you would expect him to be completely awful in 2014. But his BABIP is up. This is just luck, right? Well, his GB% is also way down, and his LD% and FB% are significantly up. So what happened is that Holt is hitting the ball with a lot more authority. It's not a fluke, all the peripherals indicate that he has become a different hitter.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jun 9, 2014 18:50:01 GMT -5
Brock Holt 2014 compared to 2012-2013: BB% down, K% way up, O-Swing% up, Z-Swing%, O-Contact% and Z-Contact% all down. Since he wasn't particularly good in 2012-2013, you would expect him to be completely awful in 2014. But his BABIP is up. This is just luck, right? Well, his GB% is also way down, and his LD% and FB% are significantly up. So what happened is that Holt is hitting the ball with a lot more authority. It's not a fluke, all the peripherals indicate that he has become a different hitter. Is there any scouting or reports that indicate Holt has altered his swing/approach? Does he have more of an uppercut to get the ball in the air?
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Post by elguapo on Jun 10, 2014 8:44:22 GMT -5
You can see that last year was such a huge outlier that we might be justified in ignoring it completely. That's my take (assuming ignoring it 'completely' is an exaggeration). Last year's struggles were concerning coming into this year since Holt's prior success at AAA (2012) was in a small sample, and could have been misleading, but this year's performance wipes out those concerns.
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Post by elguapo on Jun 10, 2014 9:49:50 GMT -5
- Nava in June: .400 / .500 / .467 / .967
The answer for next season (maybe later this year) is likely to be Betts/Bradley/Shane-O in CF/RF, so I don't see a trade for a RF being worth it.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 11, 2014 9:29:38 GMT -5
Rosenthal reporting that Red Sox have signed Andres Torres to a minor league contract...seems like throwing spaghetti against the wall... cue the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse theme song... Hot Dog Hot Dog...problem solved... lol www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/torrean02.shtml
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Post by oleary25 on Jun 11, 2014 9:52:55 GMT -5
The way I see it is a lot of teams are unwilling to trade right now because their still in it , and their prices are probably sky high. I'm just happy their trying something and aren't idly by. One guy who I was thinking of before this signing was Alex Castillanos. The RedSox had him briefly and he was claimed off waivers by Texas. He's currently playing for the Padres in AAA and can play not only all three OF spots but also 3B 2B and 1B.
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