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2014-15 offseason discussion
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Post by prangerx on Sept 14, 2014 11:00:15 GMT -5
Sign Pablo Sanderval to play third. He is young and has the kind of power this team needs. A four or five year deal would only lock him up to 33. He'd be a good canidate to replace Ortiz down the line as DH if those young third baseman worked out. Bradley, Middlebrooks, and Lavarnway are trade canidates.
Bogarts should stay at short with Pedoria and Nap at second and third. Vasquez should stay where he is. Id resign Ross and have him compete with with Butler as back up catcher. Brock Holt would be super utility
Castillo would be the CF. I'd put Betts in right with Cepedes in left. Nava would be the fourth outfielder. Craig would probably be a trade canidate. Victorino could go to camp with team to give them time to figure out what to do. If you need another starter Morse would be a good canidate.
Guys like Rivero could be givening a change to make the team off the bench but theyd more likely have to added a few players to the bench from the outside. Ortiz is obviously DH.
Trade for Cliff Lee and Papelbon. Lees trade Value is low and we have some former prospects that have as well. But could still help a rebuilding team that is looking to unload big contracts. Lee is a veteren pitcher who would gibe much needed credibility to our young staff. Hed have to pass a physical of course Papelbon would futher salary relief and could still help us win.
Sign James Shields. He is a solid number 2 that could replace Lackey. Buchholtz, Kelly, Del La Rosa would fill out the rest of the rotation. A buy low canidate like Masterson could be brought in to compete for a spot. Workman the the young starters would be canidates too. Webster and Ranualdo could be trade canidates.
Resign Koji as set up man to Papelbon. . Might have to bring in a few outside bullpen arms. Workman and Wright are canidates for pen. Layne may have already earned a spot. Muicja could have value as late inning arm. We know what Tazawa and Breslow could do. Bedenhop could be resigned if he doesnt get a better deal elsewhere. Breslow is probably gone.
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Post by semperfisox on Sept 14, 2014 11:10:31 GMT -5
Sign Pablo Sanderval to play third. He is young and has the kind of power this team needs. A four or five year deal would only lock him up to 33. He'd be a good canidate to replace Ortiz down the line as DH if those young third baseman worked out. Bradley, Middlebrooks, and Lavarnway are trade canidates. Bogarts should stay at short with Pedoria and Nap at second and third. Vasquez should stay where he is. Id resign Ross and have him compete with with Butler as back up catcher. Brock Holt would be super utility Castillo would be the CF. I'd put Betts in right with Cepedes in left. Nava would be the fourth outfielder. Craig would probably be a trade canidate. Victorino could go to camp with team to give them time to figure out what to do. If you need another starter Morse would be a good canidate. Guys like Rivero could be givening a change to make the team off the bench but theyd more likely have to added a few players to the bench from the outside. Ortiz is obviously DH. Trade for Cliff Lee and Papelbon. Lees trade Value is low and we have some former prospects that have as well. But could still help a rebuilding team that is looking to unload big contracts. Lee is a veteren pitcher who would gibe much needed credibility to our young staff. Hed have to pass a physical of course Papelbon would futher salary relief and could still help us win. Sign James Shields. He is a solid number 2 that could replace Lackey. Buchholtz, Kelly, Del La Rosa would fill out the rest of the rotation. A buy low canidate like Masterson could be brought in to compete for a spot. Workman the the young starters would be canidates too. Webster and Ranualdo could be trade canidates. Resign Koji as set up man to Papelbon. . Might have to bring in a few outside bullpen arms. Workman and Wright are canidates for pen. Layne may have already earned a spot. Muicja could have value as late inning arm. We know what Tazawa and Breslow could do. Bedenhop could be resigned if he doesnt get a better deal elsewhere. Breslow is probably gone. Koji to set up Papelbon? No
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Post by juniorp90 on Sept 14, 2014 12:23:45 GMT -5
Trades for: Chris Sale And Rizzo (We have a lot prospects) Just untouchable Mookie Betts.
Signs: Pablo Sandoval and James Shields.
Redsox trades candidates: Napoli, WMB, JBJ, Victorino, etc...
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 14, 2014 12:39:30 GMT -5
Trades for: Chris Sale And Rizzo (We have a lot prospects) Just untouchable Mookie Betts. Signs: Pablo Sandoval and James Shields. Redsox trades candidates: Napoli, WMB, JBJ, Victorino, etc... Don't leave out Trout and Harper.
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Post by bryce on Sept 14, 2014 14:47:23 GMT -5
Trades for: Chris Sale And Rizzo (We have a lot prospects) Just untouchable Mookie Betts. Signs: Pablo Sandoval and James Shields. Redsox trades candidates: Napoli, WMB, JBJ, Victorino, etc... I think you are very humerous!
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Post by bryce on Sept 14, 2014 14:49:25 GMT -5
Sign Pablo Sanderval to play third. He is young and has the kind of power this team needs. A four or five year deal would only lock him up to 33. He'd be a good canidate to replace Ortiz down the line as DH if those young third baseman worked out. Bradley, Middlebrooks, and Lavarnway are trade canidates. Bogarts should stay at short with Pedoria and Nap at second and third. Vasquez should stay where he is. Id resign Ross and have him compete with with Butler as back up catcher. Brock Holt would be super utility Castillo would be the CF. I'd put Betts in right with Cepedes in left. Nava would be the fourth outfielder. Craig would probably be a trade canidate. Victorino could go to camp with team to give them time to figure out what to do. If you need another starter Morse would be a good canidate. Guys like Rivero could be givening a change to make the team off the bench but theyd more likely have to added a few players to the bench from the outside. Ortiz is obviously DH. Trade for Cliff Lee and Papelbon. Lees trade Value is low and we have some former prospects that have as well. But could still help a rebuilding team that is looking to unload big contracts. Lee is a veteren pitcher who would gibe much needed credibility to our young staff. Hed have to pass a physical of course Papelbon would futher salary relief and could still help us win. Sign James Shields. He is a solid number 2 that could replace Lackey. Buchholtz, Kelly, Del La Rosa would fill out the rest of the rotation. A buy low canidate like Masterson could be brought in to compete for a spot. Workman the the young starters would be canidates too. Webster and Ranualdo could be trade canidates. Resign Koji as set up man to Papelbon. . Might have to bring in a few outside bullpen arms. Workman and Wright are canidates for pen. Layne may have already earned a spot. Muicja could have value as late inning arm. We know what Tazawa and Breslow could do. Bedenhop could be resigned if he doesnt get a better deal elsewhere. Breslow is probably gone. Wow! There are only two LH guy in our starting lineup next year. It will be a nightmare for lefty and most of the pitcher in MLB will be very happy to face Red Sox!!!
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Post by bryce on Sept 14, 2014 14:51:31 GMT -5
Is Brett Anderson an intriguing option for the Sox to pursue when we fail to bring Lester back or sign James Shields?
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Post by juniorp90 on Sept 14, 2014 16:30:49 GMT -5
Trades for: Chris Sale And Rizzo (We have a lot prospects) Just untouchable Mookie Betts. Signs: Pablo Sandoval and James Shields. Redsox trades candidates: Napoli, WMB, JBJ, Victorino, etc... I think you are very humerous! Hahahaha!! Sounds much better than the crazy idea of bringing Bruce and Heyward and give change to Cespedes, Betts and others!!
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Post by juniorp90 on Sept 14, 2014 16:41:44 GMT -5
Trades for: Chris Sale And Rizzo (We have a lot prospects) Just untouchable Mookie Betts. Signs: Pablo Sandoval and James Shields. Redsox trades candidates: Napoli, WMB, JBJ, Victorino, etc... Don't leave out Trout and Harper. Veteran !! Why instead of responding facetiously not respond bases? Maybe Rizzo is not available, not because what we get but for its availability. But Chris Sale, being general manager of the White Sox and offer Swihart, Ranaudo, Brian Johnson and Manuel Margot, Victorino and maybe another, I made ??the change.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 14, 2014 16:42:41 GMT -5
I wasn't aware Maeda's career numbers were that close but the "what have you done for me lately" index isn't that close. I could see them kicking the tires pretty strongly for him though and maybe even signing him if the value is decent. They sure don't like giving up picks. Agreed. I wouldn't want them to lose that 2nd round pick they have, getting the comp pick and all. I see that pick up as just adding another 700-850k to the draft bonus cap and with Boston probably getting (minimum) 4m for it's #1 pick? It would make poor sense to move the #2 pick, when they just don't draft a Boras guy and try to get someone of high quality at #2 and on down the line again, just as they did in 2014. Key is ignoring Boras represented players who think his name alone makes them worth the allotted slot to begin with as we have been seeing since 2012.
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Post by jmei on Sept 14, 2014 16:44:22 GMT -5
Reminder: proposed trades should go into the trade proposal subforum.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 14, 2014 17:16:56 GMT -5
I wasn't aware Maeda's career numbers were that close but the "what have you done for me lately" index isn't that close. I could see them kicking the tires pretty strongly for him though and maybe even signing him if the value is decent. They sure don't like giving up picks. Agreed. I wouldn't want them to lose that 2nd round pick they have, getting the comp pick and all. I see that pick up as just adding another 700-850k to the draft bonus cap and with Boston probably getting (minimum) 4m for it's #1 pick? It would make poor sense to move the #2 pick, when they just don't draft a Boras guy and try to get someone of high quality at #2 and on down the line again, just as they did in 2014. Key is ignoring Boras represented players who think his name alone makes them worth the allotted slot to begin with as we have been seeing since 2012. Uh what? People are actually worried about giving up a 2nd round pick for a top tier free agent that we need? WTF? Arguably it would be bwtter to sign a guy WITH draft pick comp attached as it will drive down the price and the pick isnt worth as much to us
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 14, 2014 19:10:08 GMT -5
Maeda would not cost a pick at all. That's better than costing a pick.
Lester wouldn't cost a pick either. The FO has already got a pick for trading Lester. The FO clearly wants all the picks it can. If they could get Scherzer for $100 mil but lose a pick, sure they would do that, but generally they would prefer to keep their picks.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 14, 2014 19:52:30 GMT -5
Lester is 10 times a better option than Scherzer.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 14, 2014 22:18:37 GMT -5
Is Brett Anderson an intriguing option for the Sox to pursue when we fail to bring Lester back or sign James Shields? Brett Anderson is a good pitcher - when he pitches. But unfortunately that is very rarely. He is always injured. The Sox would be very lucky to get 100 innings out of him. That wouldn't replace the strong 200 plus innings the Sox get from Lester yearly. In a way he kind of reminds me of Bret Saberhagen when the Sox had him in the late 1990s. Great pitcher. But always hurt so you couldn't rely on him.
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Post by jrffam05 on Sept 15, 2014 13:39:25 GMT -5
So Right now here is the likely roster without any trades. Black font is players already committed to, blue font is very likely to have this role if not traded. C Vazquez1B Napoli 16M 2B Pedroia 12.6M SS Bogaerts3B LF Cespedes 10.5 CF Castillo 11.2M RF Victorino 13M, Craig 5.5M DH Ortiz 16M SP Buchholz 12.2M SP KellySP Del La Rosa (Arb 1)SP SP RP Mujica 4.75 RP Tazawa (Arb 2, PY 1.275M)OF/1B Nava (Arb 1) 3B/UT Holt RP Breslow (team Option)With the payments to the Dodgers that brings our payroll to 105.8M per cots (committed to players only). Note that is not the payroll tax calculation. Any player on the 25 roster will make at least league minimum ~ .5M. Arbitration players typically do not make less than they made the prior year, and their salary be reasonably projected. spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tz8qHiYrIzlFtVnly7gibjw&output=htmlMy thoughts: I'm going to ignore the possibility of trades, and look at just 2015 contract impacts but this might make sense as a pure FA fix. Lester 25M Maeda 13M Ross 3M Headley 10M Miller 9M (lots of relief options in this market) 60M with benefits and arbitration would probably put us slightly over the payroll tax, which I believe the Red Sox would be theoretically ok with. Admittedly I may be off on the 2015 salary of those FA's, but I think I am at least in the ballpark. I'd let Uehara walk if he doesn't take a small contract. Solve the rest of the bullpen openings internally or with cheap options. Between Betts, Holt, Herrera, Weeks, Bradley and our minor league system I think we have the rest of the position openings covered. This also stops us from losing a draft pick. Not saying I am against trades, I'm just trying to create an easy to map view of 2015. I'm not sold on Cespedes or Craig, but I'm not hard against them either. I'd like to see us keep Betts under basically any realistic possibility.
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Post by jrffam05 on Sept 15, 2014 13:48:00 GMT -5
Trades for: Chris Sale And Rizzo (We have a lot prospects) Just untouchable Mookie Betts. Signs: Pablo Sandoval and James Shields. Redsox trades candidates: Napoli, WMB, JBJ, Victorino, etc... There is no realistic trade scenarios for Rizzo, and basically no realistic trade scenarios for Sale although I wouldn't say it is impossible.... I also wouldn't say time travel is impossible either. Even though I suggested Napoli could be traded for a 3B, it was more a theory than a possibility. I think he is among the least likely to be traded on this team. I think there are teams that would carry WMB, JBJ, and Victorino (if salary is eaten), but in terms of trade value there is not a lot there. Sandoval and Shields are both reasonable suggestions. I don't think the Giants let Sandoval walk easily. Shields is a legit target, but with his age, performance, and draft pick compensation I don't see how he would be the priority over Lester.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 15, 2014 15:01:20 GMT -5
Couldn't the Sox simply sign Nick Huntley, or some other FA catcher who can actually hit a little bit? Someone who can provide the experience that Ross has without the baggage.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 15, 2014 15:06:25 GMT -5
Maeda would not cost a pick at all. That's better than costing a pick. Lester wouldn't cost a pick either. The FO has already got a pick for trading Lester. The FO clearly wants all the picks it can. If they could get Scherzer for $100 mil but lose a pick, sure they would do that, but generally they would prefer to keep their picks. We did have a thread about Maeda a little while back. Here's my own personal scouting report of him based on one whole live viewing a few years back, which is in no way definitive. He didn't immediately impress me the way Darvish and Tanaka did. Both those guys I thought could be immediate stars in MLB, FWIW. Again, it was only 1 start.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 15, 2014 15:45:52 GMT -5
Maeda would not cost a pick at all. That's better than costing a pick. Lester wouldn't cost a pick either. The FO has already got a pick for trading Lester. The FO clearly wants all the picks it can. If they could get Scherzer for $100 mil but lose a pick, sure they would do that, but generally they would prefer to keep their picks. We did have a thread about Maeda a little while back. Here's my own personal scouting report of him based on one whole live viewing a few years back, which is in no way definitive. He didn't immediately impress me the way Darvish and Tanaka did. Both those guys I thought could be immediate stars in MLB, FWIW. Again, it was only 1 start. I get what you are saying. It's a 100% crap shoot wild card when you sign one of the NPB guys who's not going to be able to rely on anything fancy (read: a decent FB) to get them out of trouble when his splitter isn't quite as good as advertised in the states. If the Sox could somehow know his 90mph FB would serve him as good as it does Iwakuma and Ryu? it'd be great, but for every one of those guys, there is another Igawa lurking around the corner. My bottom line is that if he wants more than 6-8m over 2 seasons (AAV).. Forget it. That's double Iwakuma money when he came over 3y ago and Iwakuma was a solid SP for several years. No more.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 15, 2014 16:31:49 GMT -5
I think I would still go after Lester for 5 years with an option for a 6th and make a near top of market offer to Scherzer but give him an out clause after his 4th year and pray his arm and performance hold up so he exercises it (and let him walk).
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Post by jmei on Sept 16, 2014 16:17:15 GMT -5
Slightly off-topic, but worth a listen-- here's a pretty good and brief discussion with an orthopedic surgeon about Pedroia's recent thumb surgery: media.weei.com/a/96621031/the-bradfo-show-everything-you-need-to-know-about-dustin-pedroia-s-surgery.htmConclusion: it likely bothered him (and hurt his on-field performance) this year, but the procedure was very minor and is unlikely to affect his offseason preparation. This injury is separate and distinct from the UCL thumb injury he had last year, but could be indirectly related (i.e., his last injury required that his thumb be immobilized, which may have led to a weakened thumb, which could have made him more susceptible to this latest inflammation).
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Post by Guidas on Sept 16, 2014 21:07:56 GMT -5
I've got to believe Napoli's finger affected him this year for much longer than he was on the DL. Not saying he needs surgery, just that the bone probably never had a chance to completely heal with all the use it got in at bats, especially. Here's hoping the both fully heal in the off season.
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Post by caseytins on Sept 18, 2014 11:19:53 GMT -5
I'd like to see the following:
C - Vazquez 1B - Napoli 2B - Pedroia SS - Bogaerts 3B - Betts LF - Cespedes CF - Castillo RF - Victorino DH - Ortiz SP - Lester SP - Shields SP - Buchholz SP - Kelly SP - Barnes CL - Uehara BP - Miller BP - Tazawa BP - Ranaudo BP - Layne BP - Webster BP - De la Rossa BE - Holt BE - Bradley, Jr BE - Ross BE - Middlebrooks BE - Craig
Basically, I think they need to develop some of the young talent. I think that many of the young pitchers would be better suited out of the bullpen for now. Betts is a quick twitch athlete and I think he has enough of an arm to play 3rd. Middlebrooks and Craig don't have enough value at this point to try to trade them. Holt and Betts can play multiple positions and I think that Bradley should start 2-3 times/week to rest the OF and then be used late in games for his defense. If Koji doesn't look like his old self, I would move him out of the closer role (perhaps slot Barnes in there) and bring up Owens after a few weeks.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 18, 2014 19:41:52 GMT -5
I'd like to see the following: C - Vazquez 1B - Napoli 2B - Pedroia SS - Bogaerts 3B - Betts LF - Cespedes CF - Castillo RF - Victorino DH - Ortiz SP - Lester SP - Shields SP - Buchholz SP - Kelly SP - Barnes CL - Uehara BP - Miller BP - Tazawa BP - Ranaudo BP - Layne BP - Webster BP - De la Rossa BE - Holt BE - Bradley, Jr BE - Ross BE - Middlebrooks BE - Craig Basically, I think they need to develop some of the young talent. I think that many of the young pitchers would be better suited out of the bullpen for now. Betts is a quick twitch athlete and I think he has enough of an arm to play 3rd. Middlebrooks and Craig don't have enough value at this point to try to trade them. Holt and Betts can play multiple positions and I think that Bradley should start 2-3 times/week to rest the OF and then be used late in games for his defense. If Koji doesn't look like his old self, I would move him out of the closer role (perhaps slot Barnes in there) and bring up Owens after a few weeks. Righties are going to eat up this lineup. We need another lefty bat or two.
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