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6/30-7/2 Red Sox vs Cubs Series Thread
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 2, 2014 10:50:21 GMT -5
Godot: is SoxNation in Love with JBJ and XB ... so that now they cannot be optioned? Or is it just the manager?
"Justice is blind, but she's not deaf. Sometimes you have to know when not to talk."
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Post by godot on Jul 2, 2014 10:59:24 GMT -5
Found this, which fairly well explains what is occurring with XB: MP edit: Always provide a link when copying from an article (and, preferably, use the quotes feature). Source: Speier via WEEI
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 2, 2014 11:10:22 GMT -5
Bryce Brentz has some terrible timing. Ain't that the truth! Looking at the paucity of offense in our outfield, this could have been his year. As it is, he has aggravated a hamstring injury that has kept him on the DL since 5/15 and will likely do so for at least a few more weeks. Damn! The truth it sure is. Both he and Middlebrooks could have brought HR power to the lineup, but both have been out of commission -on and off - the entire first half. Oh well. Add: Xander's problem with hitting off his front foot was something I mentioned from having watched him in Seattle, it was that obvious. Coming to you from the great northwest
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 11:12:30 GMT -5
Larry I agree the lack on intensity and focus on the part of the majority of the Red Sox batters is downright embarrassing for guys who are supposed to be professionals. I feel bad for the Red Sox pitchers for the lack of support. The Red Sox fans who paid top dollar for tickets in 2014 also deserve an apology for such pathetic performance by this team. Try harder is not a strategy. Come on.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 11:13:16 GMT -5
Here's the thing: even if you accept, for the sake of argument, that moving Bogaerts to 3B messed him up mentally and caused this slump, what's the argument that moving him back to SS is going to get him out of it? He's been the worst hitter in the league over the past few weeks, and moving him back to SS isn't going to diminish the pressure on him (if anything, it'll only intensify it). I argue they move him back to SS so he can get better at SS.
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Post by jmei on Jul 2, 2014 11:35:32 GMT -5
Yeah, it makes sense to trade Drew to give Bogaerts more defensive reps at shortstop-- I've got no problem with that. But it probably won't help Bogaerts hit any better.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 12:19:28 GMT -5
Yeah, so Pedey is OPSing .730 or whatever because he's not trying.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 2, 2014 13:21:32 GMT -5
Try harder is not a strategy. Come on. I strenuously disagree with this statement. All the majority of Red Sox players need is proper direction and a desire to do things with more intensity. can we get back to italicizing sarcasm? I can't tell if you're being ironic of if you're just and ass.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 2, 2014 14:08:49 GMT -5
Ain't that the truth! Looking at the paucity of offense in our outfield, this could have been his year. As it is, he has aggravated a hamstring injury that has kept him on the DL since 5/15 and will likely do so for at least a few more weeks. Damn! The truth it sure is. Both he and Middlebrooks could have brought HR power to the lineup, but both have been out of commission -on and off - the entire first half. Oh well. Add: Xander's problem with hitting off his front foot was something I mentioned from having watched him in Seattle, it was that obvious. Coming to you from the great northwest I apologize if this has been mentioned re: X, but besides having trouble with outside pitches and "drifting" out in front (like a golfer sliding forward with no firm left side is unable to strike a ball with authority), it appears to me that he has a lot of trouble with pitches moving to the inside corner just below his hands. He consistently swings over them whether from a lefty or RHP.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 14:36:38 GMT -5
I apologize if this has been mentioned re: X, but besides having trouble with outside pitches and "drifting" out in front (like a golfer sliding forward with no firm left side is unable to strike a ball with authority), it appears to me that he has a lot of trouble with pitches moving to the inside corner just below his hands. He consistently swings over them whether from a lefty or RHP. ^Is this an easy thing to correct though? Aren't low and inside pitches some of the most difficult to hit? The easiest fix is to stop swinging at them unless there are two strikes. Most pitchers don't hit their spots on every pitch, especially offspeed.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 2, 2014 14:57:48 GMT -5
I think today's move of promoting Marrero to AAA is yet another sign that the Sox view HIM as the SS of the future and Xander and the 3B of the future (which I 100% agree with). So anyone still holding out hope that they will move Xander back to SS is out of luck, because they have had plenty of chances when Drew sits against LHP, but they keep him at 3rd. Why? Because they believe that is his position. So if you think Drew is stunting Xander's growth at SS by limiting his reps you are wrong, because the F.O. will not give him reps at SS. They want him to have all the reps at 3rd so he can learn his position. Ben expressed recently hows he views AAA as major league players waiting for the call so it would not surprise me to see Marrero up with the Sox in a month or two.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 15:19:30 GMT -5
I think today's move of promoting Marrero to AAA is yet another sign that the Sox view HIM as the SS of the future and Xander and the 3B of the future (which I 100% agree with). So anyone still holding out hope that they will move Xander back to SS is out of luck, because they have had plenty of chances when Drew sits against LHP, but they keep him at 3rd. Why? Because they believe that is his position. So if you think Drew is stunting Xander's growth at SS by limiting his reps you are wrong, because the F.O. will not give him reps at SS. They want him to have all the reps at 3rd so he can learn his position. Ben expressed recently hows he views AAA as major league players waiting for the call so it would not surprise me to see Marrero up with the Sox in a month or two. Why does promoting Marrero say anything about Xander? They weren't going to leave him in AA forever if they wanted Xander at SS.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 2, 2014 15:26:20 GMT -5
I think today's move of promoting Marrero to AAA is yet another sign that the Sox view HIM as the SS of the future and Xander and the 3B of the future (which I 100% agree with). So anyone still holding out hope that they will move Xander back to SS is out of luck, because they have had plenty of chances when Drew sits against LHP, but they keep him at 3rd. Why? Because they believe that is his position. So if you think Drew is stunting Xander's growth at SS by limiting his reps you are wrong, because the F.O. will not give him reps at SS. They want him to have all the reps at 3rd so he can learn his position. Ben expressed recently hows he views AAA as major league players waiting for the call so it would not surprise me to see Marrero up with the Sox in a month or two. Why does promoting Marrero say anything about Xander? They weren't going to leave him in AA forever if they wanted Xander at SS. He had less than 100 games at AA, seems like a pretty aggressive promotion to me. Unlike with Betts there was no talk of him trying a different position. When Drew has had days off they have still left Xander at 3rd. Just my opinion, but it just adds up to me. Given, I am biased because I think Xander SHOULD stay at 3rd (where I think he can be good) and I really like Marrero, so maybe I am reading too much into it haha.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 2, 2014 15:40:09 GMT -5
can we get back to italicizing sarcasm? I can't tell if you're being ironic of if you're just and ass. You've got a picture of Bill Murray and a link staring you in your face. You're a big boy. You can figure it out. Not lost in all of this is the fact that the link is to a scene from Lost in Translation. Which makes your response all the more ironic. (emoticon inserted especially for okin) So you are just being an ass! Got it.Seriously though, I'm not the only one who thought you were being earnest. Embedding culturally obscure references* to a movie that is literally about language barriers (and not nearly as sarcastic as you suggest) is not a sufficient substitute for the tonality, familiarity, and facial recognition that is lost on a chat room. Just use damn italics so we can laugh with you and get on with our lives. *not to mention not worth the time for the limited pay-off... You're not the only one I'm talking to here django, but you're a repeat offender and the proverbial straw in this case.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 2, 2014 15:43:00 GMT -5
I think today's move of promoting Marrero to AAA is yet another sign that the Sox view HIM as the SS of the future and Xander and the 3B of the future (which I 100% agree with). So anyone still holding out hope that they will move Xander back to SS is out of luck, because they have had plenty of chances when Drew sits against LHP, but they keep him at 3rd. Why? Because they believe that is his position. So if you think Drew is stunting Xander's growth at SS by limiting his reps you are wrong, because the F.O. will not give him reps at SS. They want him to have all the reps at 3rd so he can learn his position. Ben expressed recently hows he views AAA as major league players waiting for the call so it would not surprise me to see Marrero up with the Sox in a month or two. I don't think it says anything of the sort. It says that Marrero was ready to be promoted. When he is ready to be promoted to the majors, then it may say something about the major league roster. It may also say something once the trade deadline is over, depending on who gets traded. You try to promote your prospects as soon as they are ready to do so; that's how you manage an organization with multiple levels.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 2, 2014 15:51:26 GMT -5
I think today's move of promoting Marrero to AAA is yet another sign that the Sox view HIM as the SS of the future and Xander and the 3B of the future (which I 100% agree with). So anyone still holding out hope that they will move Xander back to SS is out of luck, because they have had plenty of chances when Drew sits against LHP, but they keep him at 3rd. Why? Because they believe that is his position. So if you think Drew is stunting Xander's growth at SS by limiting his reps you are wrong, because the F.O. will not give him reps at SS. They want him to have all the reps at 3rd so he can learn his position. Ben expressed recently hows he views AAA as major league players waiting for the call so it would not surprise me to see Marrero up with the Sox in a month or two. I don't think it says anything of the sort. It says that Marrero was ready to be promoted. When he is ready to be promoted to the majors, then it may say something about the major league roster. It may also say something once the trade deadline is over, depending on who gets traded. You try to promote your prospects as soon as they are ready to do so; that's how you manage an organization with multiple levels. If they believed Bogie was the SS of the future, don't you think that they would have Marrero at least experimenting at another position with him being so close to the Majors?
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Post by jmei on Jul 2, 2014 15:57:39 GMT -5
For players who project as potential major league regulars (i.e., non-org players), the Red Sox almost always wait until the upper minors (Pawtucket or the majors) to have them experiment with different positions.
See, for instance: Xander Bogaerts (had a handful of games in the minors at third base, played there exclusively in the last few rounds of the playoffs), Mookie Betts (didn't start playing the outfield until a month before his callup), Garin Cecchini/Will Middlebrooks (only played LF after they'd already spent time in the majors), Brock Holt (played almost exclusively 2B and SS in the minors; those are the only non-catcher positions that he's hasn't played much in the majors this year), Daniel Nava (started playing 1B in the majors), Alex Hassan (started playing 1B only in his second year in Pawtucket), Ryan Lavarnway (didn't move off catcher until this year), etc.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 15:59:40 GMT -5
I don't think it says anything of the sort. It says that Marrero was ready to be promoted. When he is ready to be promoted to the majors, then it may say something about the major league roster. It may also say something once the trade deadline is over, depending on who gets traded. You try to promote your prospects as soon as they are ready to do so; that's how you manage an organization with multiple levels. If they believed Bogie was the SS of the future, don't you think that they would have Marrero at least experimenting at another position with him being so close to the Majors? Nope. His value is being an excellent short stop. If his bat exceeds expectations by quite a bit, he'd be viable elsewhere. Either way, he's ready for AAA.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 16:01:43 GMT -5
While their development obviously isn't interconnected, I do see how the defensive progress of X and Marrero could affect one another's eventual placement within the organization. That being said, there is an issue of accountability here. While the reports on Marrero's defense are all very good, the prospect of an eventual replacement would not alone have moved X off short. X essentially lost the position. Maybe eventually. But certainly not connected because of this promotion.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 2, 2014 16:02:40 GMT -5
If they believed Bogie was the SS of the future, don't you think that they would have Marrero at least experimenting at another position with him being so close to the Majors? Marrero is apples and oranges with Betts, etc. Most of his value is in his glove. If they believe that Bogaerts is the SS of the future, they will keep Marrero at SS and then trade him. I don't believe the organization has reached a conclusion on Bogaerts' future position.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 16:09:34 GMT -5
So Betts tonight, has the honor of batting between Pierzynski and Herrera.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 2, 2014 16:22:56 GMT -5
I don't think it says anything of the sort. It says that Marrero was ready to be promoted. When he is ready to be promoted to the majors, then it may say something about the major league roster. It may also say something once the trade deadline is over, depending on who gets traded. You try to promote your prospects as soon as they are ready to do so; that's how you manage an organization with multiple levels. If they believed Bogie was the SS of the future, don't you think that they would have Marrero at least experimenting at another position with him being so close to the Majors? Iglesias didn't try another position until a couple days before he was recalled. Marrero shouldn't have much trouble switching due to his defensive prowess, and he also doesn't project to have the bat to a) force the situation and b) play another position. If he keeps hitting in AAA, that could change.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2014 16:31:39 GMT -5
If they believed Bogie was the SS of the future, don't you think that they would have Marrero at least experimenting at another position with him being so close to the Majors? Iglesias didn't try another position until a couple days before he was recalled. Marrero shouldn't have much trouble switching due to his defensive prowess, and he also doesn't project to have the bat to a) force the situation and b) play another position. If he keeps hitting in AAA, that could change. And the only reason why Iglesias tried another position was because he was hitting like .485 or whatever when Drew got back from the DL.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 2, 2014 16:33:51 GMT -5
well, we also had like, no third baseman, right?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 2, 2014 16:37:11 GMT -5
So Betts tonight, has the honor of batting between Pierzynski and Herrera. Why is Herrera still on this team? Are they afraid that, if Xander moves into SS for a night when Drew is out he could go 3-4, and that would be really baaaaad?
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