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6/30-7/2 Red Sox vs Cubs Series Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jun 29, 2014 16:27:23 GMT -5
6/30 Red Sox (RHP Jake Peavy 1-6 4.93) vs. Cubs (RHP Jake Arrieta 4-1 2.05) 7:10pm ET, NESN//WEEI7/1 Red Sox (RHP Clay Buchholz 3-4 6.75) vs. Cubs (RHP Edwin Jackson 5-8 5.22) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI7/2 Red Sox (RHP Brandon Workman 1-1 3.27) vs. Cubs (LHP Travis Wood 7-6 4.52) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/ESPN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jun 29, 2014 16:27:39 GMT -5
Welcome home Theo and Jed.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 30, 2014 7:05:42 GMT -5
Wait..... Why isn't Del La Rossa starting tonight.. Oh yeah that's right BECAUSE JAKE PEAVY IS!
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 30, 2014 7:13:13 GMT -5
Arrieta's last 4 starts. 3-0 1.00 ERA 27IP 13H 3 ER 2BB 36 K's. Tough sledding tonight. We'll be tired of course
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Post by okin15 on Jun 30, 2014 7:51:36 GMT -5
Wait..... Why isn't Del La Rossa starting tonight.. Oh yeah that's right BECAUSE JAKE PEAVY IS! I was away this weekend, and missed what I'm sure was an apoplectic outburst from JimEd and others, I want to join in the chorus. While this might not hurt DLR's development, it's certainly not going to help this team. Only way it does is if a) BC is tanking, or b) Peavy actually nets us something in a trade, with the former being a bad idea, and the latter being impossible.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 30, 2014 8:17:29 GMT -5
Just Mookie Betts taking a lead...
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 30, 2014 8:22:55 GMT -5
Wait..... Why isn't Del La Rossa starting tonight.. Oh yeah that's right BECAUSE JAKE PEAVY IS! I was away this weekend, and missed what I'm sure was an apoplectic outburst from JimEd and others, I want to join in the chorus. While this might not hurt DLR's development, it's certainly not going to help this team. Only way it does is if a) BC is tanking, or b) Peavy actually nets us something in a trade, with the former being a bad idea, and the latter being impossible. That's a bandbox of a park so this could get ugly. I suppose that "showcasing" Peavy is part of a plan to resolve the logjam they have of minor league starters. De La Rosa, Ranaudo, Webster, Owens and Johnson are all going to be needing a way to move forward, or move out. Otherwise the team is just wasting talent. There is no way on any planet that Peavy is a better choice than RDLR. Maybe for this one night he can make like he's back in San Diego, but it's hard to believe he can channel any of that magic from what I saw in Seattle.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 30, 2014 8:34:34 GMT -5
There is no rational reason for this not to be Jake Peavy's last start with the Sox.
I believe they decided to give him one more start to solidify his trade value. With luck, it'll match that of a bowl of Jello.
Trade him after the start, call up a reliever for 5 games, use the Thursday off day to skip his next start, and bring Rubby back to start Tuesday 6/8 against the White Sox.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 8:59:23 GMT -5
I cringe every time someone mentions the phrase "showcase Peavy" or "re-establish his trade value" or whatever. I have the feeling, he'll be with us for the next 10 years if we're waiting on that. Sometimes it's time to cut your losses. I mean one not horrible start isn't going to do anything for Peavy's trade value. He's just a fantasy for a desperate team now. I'd even trade him to the Yankees. He'd still be better than some of the crap they have.
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Post by godot on Jun 30, 2014 9:10:23 GMT -5
The Sox often get caught up with getting "value". I wonder if they will bite the bullet with Peavy.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 30, 2014 9:10:44 GMT -5
I cringe every time someone mentions the phrase "showcase Peavy" or "re-establish his trade value" or whatever. I have the feeling, he'll be with us for the next 10 years if we're waiting on that. Sometimes it's time to cut your losses. I mean one not horrible start isn't going to do anything for Peavy's trade value. He's just a fantasy for a desperate team now. I'd even trade him to the Yankees. He'd still be better than some of the crap they have. I think the idea of a "showcase" in this case is probably like, our scouts want to take one more look at him in order to decide just how little he's worth. If someone likes what they see tonight, it's a moderate salary dump for a C+ prospect. If they're not, it's a big salary dump for a C- guy. Basically, we're talking about nailing down fine shades of suck.
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Post by jmei on Jun 30, 2014 9:14:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it's "showcasing him," I think it's waiting for a team to get desperate enough to just pull the trigger on Peavy rather than waiting to see if they can afford any better pitcher.
I've mentioned this before re: RDLR, but an innings limit will be in play with him this year. He only threw 91.2 innings last year and is already at 86 IP this year. He maybe has another 40-50 innings max left in him before you'd want to shut him down for the year, and giving him a mid-season breather is a good way of managing his arm in just his second year removed from Tommy John surgery.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 9:14:54 GMT -5
I think I'd rather have Dempster than Peavy. How disappointing he has been. I think I'd probably put him as our 9th best starter at this point. RDLR has been incredible. Workman definitely looks solid enough. Webster and Ranaudo are knocking pretty loudly on the door, right now.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 30, 2014 9:27:15 GMT -5
I cringe every time someone mentions the phrase "showcase Peavy" or "re-establish his trade value" or whatever. I have the feeling, he'll be with us for the next 10 years if we're waiting on that. Sometimes it's time to cut your losses. I mean one not horrible start isn't going to do anything for Peavy's trade value. He's just a fantasy for a desperate team now. I'd even trade him to the Yankees. He'd still be better than some of the crap they have.If it wasn't for the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees will probably never trade a player again, Peavy would have already been a Yankee. I don't think there is a better comparison of what type of team would be willing to take on Peavy.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 30, 2014 9:30:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it's "showcasing him," I think it's waiting for a team to get desperate enough to just pull the trigger on Peavy rather than waiting to see if they can afford any better pitcher. I've mentioned this before re: RDLR, but an innings limit will be in play with him this year. He only threw 91.2 innings last year and is already at 86 IP this year. He maybe has another 40-50 innings max left in him before you'd want to shut him down for the year, and giving him a mid-season breather is a good way of managing his arm in just his second year removed from Tommy John surgery. It's not just RDLR though, as many have written, the team is possibly going to be needing more than 2 new SP in 2015 to join the rotation and therefore should be getting a solid look at more than just Workman and RDLR this summer, even if they don't take a look at Webster/Ranaudo until after RDLR hits his innings limit and is shut down.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 30, 2014 9:53:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it's "showcasing him," I think it's waiting for a team to get desperate enough to just pull the trigger on Peavy rather than waiting to see if they can afford any better pitcher. I've mentioned this before re: RDLR, but an innings limit will be in play with him this year. He only threw 91.2 innings last year and is already at 86 IP this year. He maybe has another 40-50 innings max left in him before you'd want to shut him down for the year, and giving him a mid-season breather is a good way of managing his arm in just his second year removed from Tommy John surgery. Damn you! Now I have to look at the current rotations of the other 17 contenders (yes, we're number 18, but clearly on the north side) to see who has a 5th starter worse than Peavy. Who is actually pretty good for a 5th starter, actually, as much as we're hating on him. The reason why I'm praying this is an actual showcase and hence his last start is that he originally wasn't going to start in this series, supposedly.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 10:34:16 GMT -5
I'd really like for Clay Buchholz to establish his value before the trade deadline.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 30, 2014 10:34:28 GMT -5
Now I have to look at the current rotations of the other 17 contenders (yes, we're number 18, but clearly on the north side) to see who has a 5th starter worse than Peavy. Who is actually pretty good for a 5th starter, actually, as much as we're hating on him. NL teams: ATL - Mike Minor WAS - not going to be in the market for SP MIL - Marco Estrada CIN - Tony Cingrani STL - Shelby Miller (4th starter), plus they have been scraping together 5th starters all year PIT - Brandon Cumpton SFO - not going to be in the market for SP LAD - not going to be in the market for SP I'd take Peavy over Cumpton and Estrada, but PIT is rumored to be seeking a reunion with AJ Burnett. STL is desparate for starting pitching. CIN could decide that Cingrani needs more seasoning in the minors. I don't see ATL dumping Minor from the rotation, although he hasn't been good. I see WAS, SFO and LAD with needs other than 5th starter. Non-ALE AL teams: DET - Drew Smyly (really, it's been Justin Verlander but ...) KC - not going to be in the market for SP OAK - Tommy Milone LAA - Hector Santiago SEA - Erasmo Ramirez If I were OAK/LAA, I'd keep Milone/Santiago over trading for Peavy. SEA could decide that Ramirez needs more seasoning in the minors. I don't see DET having interest in Peavy. Therefore, my top four probable suitors for Peavy would be MIL, STL, CIN and SEA.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 10:36:47 GMT -5
Now re-do that list for Lester and see what you get.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Jun 30, 2014 12:12:08 GMT -5
Now I have to look at the current rotations of the other 17 contenders (yes, we're number 18, but clearly on the north side) to see who has a 5th starter worse than Peavy. Who is actually pretty good for a 5th starter, actually, as much as we're hating on him. NL teams: ATL - Mike Minor WAS - not going to be in the market for SP MIL - Marco Estrada CIN - Tony Cingrani STL - Shelby Miller (4th starter), plus they have been scraping together 5th starters all year PIT - Brandon Cumpton SFO - not going to be in the market for SP LAD - not going to be in the market for SP I'd take Peavy over Cumpton and Estrada, but PIT is rumored to be seeking a reunion with AJ Burnett. STL is desparate for starting pitching. CIN could decide that Cingrani needs more seasoning in the minors. I don't see ATL dumping Minor from the rotation, although he hasn't been good. I see WAS, SFO and LAD with needs other than 5th starter. Non-ALE AL teams: DET - Drew Smyly (really, it's been Justin Verlander but ...) KC - not going to be in the market for SP OAK - Tommy Milone LAA - Hector Santiago SEA - Erasmo Ramirez If I were OAK/LAA, I'd keep Milone/Santiago over trading for Peavy. SEA could decide that Ramirez needs more seasoning in the minors. I don't see DET having interest in Peavy. Therefore, my top four probable suitors for Peavy would be MIL, STL, CIN and SEA. I'm not counting out the dodgers....from mlb.com.... " Haren has had a rocky few weeks, allowing 14 home runs in his last nine starts and going 3-3 with a 4.78 ERA in that span. He was pulled with one out in the fifth inning in his last start, again struggling to provide length on the mound."
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 12:17:29 GMT -5
If the Dodgers were going after a pitcher, they probably wouldn't half-ass it with Peavy. I mean Haren basically sounds like the same pitcher.
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Post by danr on Jun 30, 2014 12:18:15 GMT -5
St. Louis would be a good landing place for Peavy, and he probably would do better there than he is doing for the Sox. Seattle probably would be second. That's a very young and promising team and a big ball park. I think he also would do better there and would help them.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Jun 30, 2014 12:19:45 GMT -5
Peavey would be helped by the ravine and was a dodger killer.
They may be willing to end the Brian Wilson experience, and Wright is like old and sucky.
Throw Badenhop, and whatever (aj?) and see if we can't get Peterson.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 12:21:02 GMT -5
If we want Peterson, we probably are talking about Lester, not Peavy and a bunch of other crap we don't want.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 30, 2014 12:21:26 GMT -5
Now I have to look at the current rotations of the other 17 contenders (yes, we're number 18, but clearly on the north side) to see who has a 5th starter worse than Peavy. Who is actually pretty good for a 5th starter, actually, as much as we're hating on him. NL teams: ATL - Mike Minor WAS - not going to be in the market for SP MIL - Marco Estrada CIN - Tony Cingrani STL - Shelby Miller (4th starter), plus they have been scraping together 5th starters all year PIT - Brandon Cumpton SFO - not going to be in the market for SP LAD - not going to be in the market for SP I'd take Peavy over Cumpton and Estrada, but PIT is rumored to be seeking a reunion with AJ Burnett. STL is desparate for starting pitching. CIN could decide that Cingrani needs more seasoning in the minors. I don't see ATL dumping Minor from the rotation, although he hasn't been good. I see WAS, SFO and LAD with needs other than 5th starter. Non-ALE AL teams: DET - Drew Smyly (really, it's been Justin Verlander but ...) KC - not going to be in the market for SP OAK - Tommy Milone LAA - Hector Santiago SEA - Erasmo Ramirez If I were OAK/LAA, I'd keep Milone/Santiago over trading for Peavy. SEA could decide that Ramirez needs more seasoning in the minors. I don't see DET having interest in Peavy. Therefore, my top four probable suitors for Peavy would be MIL, STL, CIN and SEA. Great rundown. Ramirez has been great his last 4 starts (although only averaging 5 IP, has a 612 OPS allowed, 0.90 ERA) so I think SEA is off the list for the time being. Cingrani has been awful since his DL stint in early May. Santiago has been pitching much better, but left his start Saturday after 4 shutout innings -- what's with that? I'd consider the Indians a contender like us, but T.J. House appears to be be doing an OK job as their 5th guy. It can't hurt that the three clubs that could actually use Peavy are all in the same division, and that two are essentially part of a 3-way tie for the 2nd WC.
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