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Post by malynn19 on Jun 30, 2014 21:13:42 GMT -5
YAY!! DREW!! He will win this game for us.....
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Post by jmei on Jun 30, 2014 21:16:43 GMT -5
I'll never understand fans who root for their team's players to fail. There are plenty of guys in the system I think are bad or overrated, but I'll still root for them to succeed every chance they get.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 30, 2014 21:20:34 GMT -5
I'll never understand fans who root for their team's players to fail. There are plenty of guys in the system I think are bad or overrated, but I'll still root for them to succeed every chance they get. Amen.
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Post by malynn19 on Jun 30, 2014 21:28:11 GMT -5
I'll never understand fans who root for their team's players to fail. There are plenty of guys in the system I think are bad or overrated, but I'll still root for them to succeed every chance they get. I am not rooting for him to fail, just for him to go away. Or come off the Bench. Some ppl need to know their role and apparently Drew and his followers are not seeing this. Just cause I do not like the signing and I do not agree with it, does not mean that I want him to fail for the team I have been rooting since before most of you were born. I just do not agree when people use this one fancy stat or another or link things or say I have new contact lenses to make him more appealing, when the fact is he is not a fit for our present or our future. And yes not everyone in our top rated system is solid, but we have a system and yet we are the ones hoarding more FAs instead of giving them a chance. IF a player does not have a meteoric rise we will just wait until he's 25 to give him a shot.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 30, 2014 22:03:29 GMT -5
Do you get the impression they are making a run at Lester now, to see what it will take to sign him so that they can make plans for the future, one way or the other? It wouldn't surprise me if next year's staff has a ton of youngsters in it. 1) All the scuttlebutt about whether or not Lackey will retire seems to be him positioning for an extension. I think I would at least be looking at that as an option rather than just expecting him to show up. He may not. He may push that button. I think it would be pretty scummy if he did but people have justified worse moves. 2) Lester may well be looking for at $140 mil type deal. If so they may pass. Ergo, a young staff. 3) Buchholz may never really recover. He still doesn't look healthy. I'm hopeful but he's tough to count on now. 4) Doubront might be a borderline starter going forward. He hasn't been that good this year. We may need every bit of that starter depth in AAA. Hopefully we won't but it could happen. One would think the Sox wouldn't possibly count on more than 2 rookie types. They will do something for some veterans. Ergo Lester now. If they take a run at Lester it would have to be at the All Star break. Tougher to sell him now when you'll have the agent whispering in his ear, "Only a half year left - why not see what the best offer is in years and salary and then you'll have a solid sense of what kind of a discount from that you'd be willing to offer. If the Sox really want you they'll pay your discount. If not, you can make a fine life for the next 6 to 7 years in (NY, LA, TX, BAL, TOR,CIN, DET, etc). That's just my guess on how it goes now that he has all the leverage. 2) I think if Lester walks they may talk to Lackey about an extension. I actually think if Lester says, Lackey honors the contract because he would perceive the team making a commitment to winning. And if he has another year like this on they will QO him so he'll be guaranteed at least $14M. 3) Hopeful as well. First time all year he said he felt "completely healthy" so we'll see. 4) So team prob thinks they can "fix" Doubront but you'll probably only get 5th starter return for him at best. Wonder if Amaro is so desperate he would trade Hamels? That would make me feel better about Lester leaving if they got him, depending on the cost. No clue what the plan is but they seem more than ready to walk away from Lester just like they were with Ells.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 1, 2014 5:30:35 GMT -5
2) I think if Lester walks they may talk to Lackey about an extension. I actually think if Lester says, Lackey honors the contract because he would perceive the team making a commitment to winning. And if he has another year like this on they will QO him so he'll be guaranteed at least $14M. I think they should extend him either way, but... ...in this hypothetical "Lackey sits out the minimum year and comes back as a free agent 2016" scenario, can the Sox make a QO then?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 1, 2014 6:07:26 GMT -5
Tough break having to face a guy who's been pitching so well. Hope Edwin Jackson doesn't learn how to become a Cy Young candiditate too. Need 2 out of 3 in all series for the foreseeable future.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 1, 2014 6:12:55 GMT -5
2) I think if Lester walks they may talk to Lackey about an extension. I actually think if Lester says, Lackey honors the contract because he would perceive the team making a commitment to winning. And if he has another year like this on they will QO him so he'll be guaranteed at least $14M. I think they should extend him either way, but... ...in this hypothetical "Lackey sits out the minimum year and comes back as a free agent 2016" scenario, can the Sox make a QO then? Lackey is not a free agent if he sits out for a year. He owes the Sox a year at 500k. I'd like to extend him. Merloni on WEEI has mentioned tear it up and offer 2/22. He should be happy with that.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 1, 2014 6:25:10 GMT -5
Good for the sox fans giving an ovation to the Cub's starter. He had only gone 8 once and was shutting the sox down. The Xander cult/ Drew haters are not to be argued with. Just back away. I'm a proud member of the Xander cult. I've come to peace with hating Drew though, he is gone after this year and now that we're kinda floundering, it won't affect us beyond this year.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 1, 2014 6:33:21 GMT -5
Anyone here feel we win 2013 season without Drew?
Edit: or 2007 season without Drew?
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Post by larrycook on Jul 1, 2014 7:23:39 GMT -5
I'll never understand fans who root for their team's players to fail. There are plenty of guys in the system I think are bad or overrated, but I'll still root for them to succeed every chance they get. I'm not sure we have bad guys and while some here talk about overrated players, I still don't think necessarily agree with even that statement. Our big league veteran hitters are suffering from complacency. When motivated we are a playoff team, unfortunately while opponents are bringing their A game when facing us, we are bringing our spring training game to face them. The youngsters are suffering from the introduction MLB pitching. At bats and talent are what overcomes this situation for them. However with the veterans sleep walking through games, it leaves the youngsters exposed to a spotlight they should have to endure so brightly.
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Post by godot on Jul 1, 2014 7:37:30 GMT -5
How do you know that the vets, whoever they are, are performing below expectations because they are complacent. Can you read their minds? Do you know them up close and personal? Can you give us examples of who it is, and what makes you believe they are complacent? Declining skills, injuries, and slumps could also explain. It is hard to bevel that theri competitive juices have expired? Pop psychological explanations often are wrong, and usually based on some general notion that may also be a myth.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 1, 2014 8:05:44 GMT -5
How do you know that the vets, whoever they are, are performing below expectations because they are complacent. Can you read their minds? Do you know them up close and personal? Can you give us examples of who it is, and what makes you believe they are complacent? Declining skills, injuries, and slumps could also explain. It is hard to bevel that theri competitive juices have expired? Pop psychological explanations often are wrong, and usually based on some general notion that may also be a myth. Maybe my most hated sports fallacy is the "player/team X could do something if they just tried harder". Right, because it's just that easy.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 1, 2014 8:15:23 GMT -5
How do you know that the vets, whoever they are, are performing below expectations because they are complacent. Can you read their minds? Do you know them up close and personal? Can you give us examples of who it is, and what makes you believe they are complacent? Declining skills, injuries, and slumps could also explain. It is hard to bevel that theri competitive juices have expired? Pop psychological explanations often are wrong, and usually based on some general notion that may also be a myth. Maybe my most hated sports fallacy is the "player/team X could do something if they just tried harder". Right, because it's just that easy. One of the older guys on an old softball team I played on used to say this when someone was slumping. Talking about getting a hit. 1. Decent player - "You're due." 2. Avgerage player - "You're over-due." 3. Not so good a player - "Surprise me." Kind of describes the Sox this year.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2014 8:23:46 GMT -5
Good for the sox fans giving an ovation to the Cub's starter. He had only gone 8 once and was shutting the sox down. The Xander cult/ Drew haters are not to be argued with. Just back away. Most of those fans were Cubs fans, it seemed. What the hell?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2014 8:26:43 GMT -5
I'll never understand fans who root for their team's players to fail. There are plenty of guys in the system I think are bad or overrated, but I'll still root for them to succeed every chance they get. I want bunts to fail, Gomes to not hit RHP when Nava is on the bench, I want Drew and Peavy to leave so superior players can play in their place. I also don't want Carp to come back to force JBJ or Nava to AAA (when Victorino is also back). It has come to this, because Farrell and Cherington are a bit stubborn so performance has to force their hands.
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Post by jmei on Jul 1, 2014 8:31:28 GMT -5
I'll never understand fans who root for their team's players to fail. There are plenty of guys in the system I think are bad or overrated, but I'll still root for them to succeed every chance they get. I want bunts to fail, Gomes to not hit RHP when Nava is on the bench, I want Drew and Peavy to leave so superior players can play in their place. I also don't want Carp to come back to force JBJ or Nava to AAA (when Victorino is also back). It has come to this, because Farrell and Cherington are a bit stubborn so performance has to force their hands. Let's be real here. It's because you would rather be right than watch your team win.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2014 8:40:14 GMT -5
I want bunts to fail, Gomes to not hit RHP when Nava is on the bench, I want Drew and Peavy to leave so superior players can play in their place. I also don't want Carp to come back to force JBJ or Nava to AAA (when Victorino is also back). It has come to this, because Farrell and Cherington are a bit stubborn so performance has to force their hands. Let's be real here. It's because you would rather be right than watch your team win. No. Because in the long run, I am right. Bunts suck. Gomes will never be better than Nava vs. RHP and our prospects are all better than Peavy. I'd have a hard time believing that anyone thinks any of that isn't true.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2014 8:52:08 GMT -5
Despite the home run, Peavy's got a 4.15 ERA, 4.03 FIP, and 3.39 xFIP so far tonight. That's not a bad start by any stretch of the imagination, even if the Cubs do happen to be one of the worst offenses in the league. Let's hope that's enough for someone to bite.
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 1, 2014 9:03:23 GMT -5
Anyone here feel we win 2013 season without Drew? Edit: or 2007 season without Drew? Red Sox 2014 motto - Turn the Page. Thank you Drew and Drew for your past performances but it seems that its time for some Red Sox fans to Turn the Page too.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 1, 2014 9:25:53 GMT -5
I think they should extend him either way, but... ...in this hypothetical "Lackey sits out the minimum year and comes back as a free agent 2016" scenario, can the Sox make a QO then? Lackey is not a free agent if he sits out for a year. He owes the Sox a year at 500k. I'd like to extend him. Merloni on WEEI has mentioned tear it up and offer 2/22. He should be happy with that. The CBA disagrees with you. He will be a free agent after 2015 whether he plays in 2014 or not.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 1, 2014 9:29:19 GMT -5
I just don't see how Lackey possibly sits out for a year. I guess he could retire, but why would he tarnish his career with a BS move like that? I also don't see the Red Sox making him play it out without an extension. He's great with the young pitchers, so this is just a complete non-issue to me. The veiled "threat" was probably a ploy to make sure he wasn't traded. I don't buy it one bit.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 1, 2014 9:57:12 GMT -5
Let's hope that's enough for someone to bite. I would imagine it should be, especially for a team that doesn't want to give up a boatload for Samardzijda after his last few shaky outings. Would be a nice cheap innings eater for a few contenders.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 1, 2014 13:08:40 GMT -5
I'll never understand fans who root for their team's players to fail. There are plenty of guys in the system I think are bad or overrated, but I'll still root for them to succeed every chance they get. I don't think it's hard to understand. Say it's April 2003 and the Sox have Jeremy Giambi doing the DHing, but you're convinced that the guy rotting away on the bench named David Ortiz is better than Giambi and has a much better future. Do you root for Giambi to go on a hot streak so he gets way too many ABs to show that his hot start isn't a fluke? Or do you hope he gets injured or underperforms enough to a point where it's obvious they need to give David Ortiz a chance to DH? Well, in that situation I'd root for the Giambi to hit .150 but I'd hope all of his rare hits are game winners or clutch hits. The Red Sox are mostly run a lot better these days but growing up as a kid I remember hoping that Spike Owen would fall on his face so that the Jody Reed kid could get a chance. Didn't mean I wasn't happy when Spike Owen got one of the biggest hits of the 1988 season - a single up the middle to put the Sox ahead in the 9th inning against NY 10-9, which wound up being a key victory to their division winning season. It took a managerial change for young, up and coming Reed to replace the mediocre Owen because our bozo manager McNamara wasn't smart enough to figure it out. Stuff like that. So I can see how you can root for short term failure if you think it will result it long term success.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 1, 2014 13:52:16 GMT -5
So Red Sox have released Capuano after DFAing him earlier. He cleared waivers and the Sox still owe the remainder of his contract this season. Still worth the roster spot.
Additionally they have traded Rich Hill to Anaheim. The MLB Trade Rumors recap.
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