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2015 Draft Discussion
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Post by tonyc58 on May 12, 2015 13:55:57 GMT -5
I would take Bueller, Bickford, or Jay in that order. All three are nasty, healthy, impact pitchers with strong mechanics and good make up.
I would not take a health risk at #7 at all, that pick must be solid and produce quickly to be selected that high IMO.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 12, 2015 14:10:49 GMT -5
Bickford had a great Cape but that was as a reliever he hasn't shown he can hold a starting spot, his stuff ticks down when he is starting. This spring reports are he has been very inconsistent.
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Post by nomar on May 12, 2015 16:09:22 GMT -5
Really don't see the point of all the hypothetical Aiken talk. The front office knows a lot more about him than we do.
Bickford is too hot and cold. I don't think he goes top 10. I hope Bregman falls to us, he's got an advanced approach and I think he's got a plus glove at 2B if moved there. Safe bet to be a valuable player.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 12, 2015 16:58:45 GMT -5
Really don't see the point of all the hypothetical Aiken talk. The front office knows a lot more about him than we do. I mean.... they know a lot more about most things we discuss here, no?
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Post by nomar on May 12, 2015 17:48:22 GMT -5
Really don't see the point of all the hypothetical Aiken talk. The front office knows a lot more about him than we do. I mean.... they know a lot more about most things we discuss here, no? Of course but in this case were talking about hypothetically positive medical reports when all indication is that it doesn't look good for him. We're not picking him, yet people continue to drone on about him.
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Post by jdb on May 12, 2015 20:58:25 GMT -5
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Post by alnipper on May 13, 2015 10:20:01 GMT -5
I am a big fan of drafting BPA, but drafting another middle infielder is blocked for years to come. I want BPA who does not play 2nd base. I would love a number two major league starter. If Bregman is by far and away the BPA then we should draft him. All things being close then I prefer another player.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 13, 2015 10:54:58 GMT -5
I am a big fan of drafting BPA, but drafting another middle infielder is blocked for years to come. I want BPA who does not play 2nd base. I would love a number two major league starter. If Bregman is by far and away the BPA then we should draft him. All things being close then I prefer another player. Doesn't "center fielder Mookie Betts" pretty much negate this point though? I could see the thinking in a later round (choosing between a few guys with a much lower margin between them, maybe being stacked at a position and not having playing time isn't the way to go), for what it's worth, including considerations of whether you're going to be able to get that player his necessary at-bats, but not necessarily the number seven pick.
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Post by James Dunne on May 13, 2015 12:27:05 GMT -5
That's especially true about Bregman, since a lot of people don't think he's actually a shortstop long term.
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Post by Mike Andrews on May 14, 2015 9:53:13 GMT -5
I audit and updated the Draft History - Unsigned Picks page about four times a year. If you haven't visited the page, we track the status of Boston's unsigned draft picks since 2003 (the year the site was founded). For you long-time readers and draftniks, the following former picks are being moved to "Out of Baseball" status: Steve Edlefsen Brian Van Kirk Matt Laporta Carmine Giardina Navery Moore Brian Humphries Jonthan Griffin Sam Stafford Zeke Devoss Mike Hollenbeck Austin Wright Shane Rowland JT Autrey Taylor Ard
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 14, 2015 10:29:53 GMT -5
I am a big fan of drafting BPA, but drafting another middle infielder is blocked for years to come. I want BPA who does not play 2nd base. I would love a number two major league starter. If Bregman is by far and away the BPA then we should draft him. All things being close then I prefer another player. This is more or less what I was getting at when I was talking about more up the middle players. Most of you all are right, I had a very hard time stating my point in a way that made sense. We have a fair few players who are up the middle types who project as plus to better hitters or plus to better defenders. Marrero, Moncada, Dubon, Guerra, Coyle, Rijo...and those are just the MI. I get BPA and not worrying about who is Already on the roster(s)...but that's a lot of up the middle talent with currently no where to play. (I HOPE we can make this point moot by swinging some trades in the near future).
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Post by danr on May 14, 2015 10:40:45 GMT -5
I audit and updated the Draft History - Unsigned Picks page about four times a year. If you haven't visited the page, we track the status of Boston's unsigned draft picks since 2003 (the year the site was founded). For you long-time readers and draftniks, the following former picks are being moved to "Out of Baseball" status: Steve Edlefsen Brian Van Kirk Matt LaportaCarmine Giardina Navery Moore Brian Humphries Jonthan Griffin Sam Stafford Zeke Devoss Mike Hollenbeck Austin Wright Shane Rowland JT Autrey Taylor Ard One of the most over-hyped players in recent history. It's amazing what happened with him.
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Post by danr on May 14, 2015 10:43:16 GMT -5
That's especially true about Bregman, since a lot of people don't think he's actually a shortstop long term. Bregman is considered one of the very few "impact" hitters in the draft, and maybe the best. That makes him very desirable. It doesn't matter whether he sticks at SS. He will be fit into any position that works for him.
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 14, 2015 10:44:20 GMT -5
He was the center piece for the Indians when they traded Cliff Lee(in his prime too) ouch.... We have a long list of our own over hyped and flamed out ''specs...Lars Anderson immediately comes to the top of my list.
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Post by texs31 on May 14, 2015 11:29:22 GMT -5
Sabathia
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Post by bsout2 on May 14, 2015 11:30:28 GMT -5
I am a big fan of drafting BPA, but drafting another middle infielder is blocked for years to come. I want BPA who does not play 2nd base. I would love a number two major league starter. If Bregman is by far and away the BPA then we should draft him. All things being close then I prefer another player. This is more or less what I was getting at when I was talking about more up the middle players. Most of you all are right, I had a very hard time stating my point in a way that made sense. We have a fair few players who are up the middle types who project as plus to better hitters or plus to better defenders. Marrero, Moncada, Dubon, Guerra, Coyle, Rijo...and those are just the MI. I get BPA and not worrying about who is Already on the roster(s)...but that's a lot of up the middle talent with currently no where to play. (I HOPE we can make this point moot by swinging some trades in the near future). You can never have too many MI in the minors. The Mookie thing worked itself out, Bogaerts has yet to prove he can hit in the majors, Marrero and Coyle still have lots to prove, and Moncado is yet to play in an official minor league game. Take the BPA no matter the position.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 14, 2015 11:35:03 GMT -5
I audit and updated the Draft History - Unsigned Picks page about four times a year. If you haven't visited the page, we track the status of Boston's unsigned draft picks since 2003 (the year the site was founded). For you long-time readers and draftniks, the following former picks are being moved to "Out of Baseball" status: Steve Edlefsen Brian Van Kirk Matt LaportaCarmine Giardina Navery Moore Brian Humphries Jonthan Griffin Sam Stafford Zeke Devoss Mike Hollenbeck Austin Wright Shane Rowland JT Autrey Taylor Ard One of the most over-hyped players in recent history. It's amazing what happened with him. Eh, was he though? It's not like he's the only top-30 prospect to flame out in recent memory. Even just looking at the 2009 list, he was ranked behind guys like Tommy Hanson (although a lot of that was injuries), Travis Snider (at #6!), Lars, and guys who are still in the game but not nearly close to their lofty projections then like Cameron Maybin, Logan Morrison, Gordon Beckham, Justin Smoak, and Brian Matusz. And he was ranked one spot ahead of Tim Beckham and three ahead of Fernando Martinez.
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 14, 2015 14:14:49 GMT -5
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Post by danr on May 14, 2015 14:39:04 GMT -5
One of the most over-hyped players in recent history. It's amazing what happened with him. Eh, was he though? It's not like he's the only top-30 prospect to flame out in recent memory. Even just looking at the 2009 list, he was ranked behind guys like Tommy Hanson (although a lot of that was injuries), Travis Snider (at #6!), Lars, and guys who are still in the game but not nearly close to their lofty projections then like Cameron Maybin, Logan Morrison, Gordon Beckham, Justin Smoak, and Brian Matusz. And he was ranked one spot ahead of Tim Beckham and three ahead of Fernando Martinez. I singled him out because his value held up for quite a while, including when that Cliff Lee deal was done. And his last season in the majors in 2011 he had a .711 OPS with Cleveland with 11 HRs and a .247 BA at the age of 26. By today's standards that usually enough to keep a job somewhere. It just seems really strange that he then flamed out. He was in the Mexican League last season where he had a .921 OPS.
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 14, 2015 20:47:50 GMT -5
FWIW, the same guy that gave me the Bregman stuff before McDaniel and Callis were all over it is now saying Boston is working under the assumption Bregman is gone before their pick.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 14, 2015 22:01:19 GMT -5
Fulmer tonight: 9IP 2 H 1 ER 4 BB 14 K
Kiley McDaniel ?@kileymcd Vandy righty Carson Fulmer showed me everything I wanted to see and more. No hits after the first, CG 2 hitter, 93-95 start to finish.
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Post by jdb on May 14, 2015 22:13:05 GMT -5
Fulmer tonight: 9IP 2 H 1 ER 4 BB 14 K Kiley McDaniel ?@kileymcd Vandy righty Carson Fulmer showed me everything I wanted to see and more. No hits after the first, CG 2 hitter, 93-95 start to finish. With 127 pitches.
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Post by amfox1 on May 14, 2015 22:15:23 GMT -5
FWIW, the same guy that gave me the Bregman stuff before McDaniel and Callis were all over it is now saying Boston is working under the assumption Bregman is gone before their pick. Which I would interpret as Fulmer, unless someone (read: Tate/Swanson) unexpectedly drops.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 14, 2015 22:27:00 GMT -5
FWIW, the same guy that gave me the Bregman stuff before McDaniel and Callis were all over it is now saying Boston is working under the assumption Bregman is gone before their pick. Which seems to square with a lot of what I've read and listened to. Odds are on Fulmer at this point I'd guess? What's the watch list looking like? Rodgers, Tate, and Swanson are the only sure bets to not be there. Here's the group of players who have been mocked into the top 10 by one of BA, FG, MLB, or BP (since that's roughly the order of weight I'd put into them): Swanson (2/1/3/2) Tate (1/3/1/4) Rodgers (3/2/2/3) Cameron (6/5/4/7) Bregman (7/6/7/5) Fulmer (9/7/5/8) Funkhouser (8/4/17/6) Clark (10/9/13/9) Harris (4/>13/6/13) Tucker (5/11/11/12) Jay (20/8/8/20) Stephenson (14/10/10/10) Buehler (22/>13/9/18) Whitley (13/12/15/1) It's not quite 2013, when there seemed to be a pretty clear top 5 plus Moran, but there does seem to be that top group of 3 again, followed by another tier that you hope to get one out of, although it's going to be different team-to-team. Will be interesting.] By the way, who the HELL'S idea was it to do the draft Monday-Wednesday this year? WTF?
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Post by amfox1 on May 14, 2015 22:27:42 GMT -5
Worst case scenario is that Tate/Rodgers/Swanson/Bregman/Fulmer are all off the board early, leaving a choice of all but one of the following:
Coll P - Harris, Funkhouser, Jay, Buehler Coll H - Happ HS P - Nikorak, Allard HS H - Tucker, Cameron, Stephenson, Clark, Whitley TJ - Aiken, Matuella
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