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2014 New England Patriots Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 10, 2015 17:33:38 GMT -5
So Brady just isn't nearly as special as we pretend he is.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jan 10, 2015 20:00:25 GMT -5
Wrong.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 10, 2015 20:01:08 GMT -5
So Brady just isn't nearly as special as we pretend he is. Thanks.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jan 10, 2015 20:24:36 GMT -5
So Brady just isn't nearly as special as we pretend he is. First QB to lead his team to a win after being down by fourteen twice in a playoff game. No need to pretend anything.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 10, 2015 21:39:12 GMT -5
Quarter back rating of 99.3... I don't think Brady was the problem.
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Post by raftsox on Jan 10, 2015 22:18:11 GMT -5
Quarter back rating of 99.3... I don't think Brady was the problem. I tend to not follow football as much as baseball; mostly because I hate that refs can alter a game add much add they do. However: Brady is not an accurate passers. QBR is the equivalent of OPS+. Quarter back rating of 99.3... I don't think Brady was the problem. I tend to not follow football as much as baseball; mostly because I hate that refs can alter a game as much as they do. However: Brady is not an accurate passers. QBR is the equivalent of OPS+. Football Outsiders has a few articles about how he consistently misses open receivers or how he doesn't put the ball in position to extend the play beyond the reception. Take this with a grain of salt though: I became a Pats fan in the early 90s with Bledsoe and openly despise Brady. (Michigan sucks!)
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 10, 2015 23:00:10 GMT -5
Listen I love Brady but he truly isn't an accurate passer and while he's definitely one of the best QBs in football he hasn't played a clean playoff game in ages. It's just the reality and to pretend otherwise is just being blind.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jan 10, 2015 23:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jan 11, 2015 0:10:06 GMT -5
Listen I love Brady but he truly isn't an accurate passer and while he's definitely one of the best QBs in football he hasn't played a clean playoff game in ages. It's just the reality and to pretend otherwise is just being blind. Brady just set the NFL record for playoff TD passes. He holds countless other records. He is in his 4th straight AFC Championship at the age of 37. The timing of this anti-Brady sentiment is.......odd.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 11, 2015 0:47:20 GMT -5
Its kind of amazing our defense gave up 31 points and we still won... If we had given up a TD on that final drive it wouldve been even more clear our defense did not play well.
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Post by izzy on Jan 11, 2015 3:22:24 GMT -5
Listen I love Brady but he truly isn't an accurate passer and while he's definitely one of the best QBs in football he hasn't played a clean playoff game in ages. It's just the reality and to pretend otherwise is just being blind. He just led the team to victory in a game where the defense couldn't stop the run or the pass, the run game was non existent, and the o-line was banged up. He threw for nearly 400 yards and ran a touchdown in himself. This is such an odd time to complain about Brady not playing well in the playoffs in the recent past. He was incredible tonight. If not for his very ill-timed interception at the end of the first half, I'd say this was his greatest performance in a big time game.
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 11, 2015 5:04:03 GMT -5
The defense almost ****ed it up but made up for it with two clutch interceptions.
Now, someone needs to explain to me... just before the 2-minute warning at the end of the game, Baltimore takes a timeout, and then Belichick takes a timeout too. Why on earth would you not, instead of taking a normal timeout, challenge that Flacco fumbled on the previous play? I thought it would have been a good challenge on its own - huge potential payoff (4th and what, 17, instead of 4th and 3), you are never going to be able to use that challenge for anything else, and honestly it looked like a fumble to me ... but if you are taking a timeout anyway it's absolutely free!
And I've got to take back anything good I said about NFL refs. Those two huge penalties on Revis were ticky tacky, contrast the no-call on PI against Gronk on the opening drive of the second half and soon after a Flacco Bomb that would have been picked off by Collins if not for an uncalled OPI.
But hey, we won! And who needs a running game anyway!
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 11, 2015 9:58:34 GMT -5
The Brady comments came at half time, when people said they were wrong I just defended why I made them. It's not that I hate him, am unhappy with what he's done or what he does for the most part and he played a great second half. He's just not the flawless post season clutch guy people make him out to be. Or if he is, then his flaws are the rest of the game when he screws up so regularly. The pick wasn't his only poor throw (see 3rd down ball to a wide open 80) that stalled drive 1. See back to back sacks to take the team out of FG range, etc. Brady played a great second half, aided by trickery from McDaniels(genius) and great plays by his receivers. I hope at some point this week, people talk about Amendola's game. He was great. Brady's pass to LaFell was the best ball by far I've seen him throw in years. He can barely make that throw anymore but he did so at the perfect time. And his poise is off the charts. Brady is an all time great no doubt, am not trying to argue otherwise. The problem is that pick he threw us becoming the norm in playoff situations. When's the Brady f--- up going to happen, was never a thought before and now it's almost inevitable.
The defense got gashed, but I blame the coaching for the most part. Why were they playing zone that much early? No A gap pressure... All the things that made them dominate at tines they didn't do early and they couldn't stop the run...
I'm on record as hating on the guy, but McDaniels found the magic touch and called a great game for the most part.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 11, 2015 10:02:08 GMT -5
Now, someone needs to explain to me... just before the 2-minute warning at the end of the game, Baltimore takes a timeout, and then Belichick takes a timeout too. Why on earth would you not, instead of taking a normal timeout, challenge that Flacco fumbled on the previous play? I thought it would have been a good challenge on its own - huge potential payoff (4th and what, 17, instead of 4th and 3), you are never going to be able to use that challenge for anything else, and honestly it looked like a fumble to me ... but if you are taking a timeout anyway it's absolutely free! It's a valid question, but I'm sure they took a long look and decided there's no way it gets overturned... Of course I thought there was no way Amendola's catch would get overturned and it did so it falls into that anything can happen category. I do question if it could be challenged since it was ruled incomplete. Was there any finish to the play, where recovery was made?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 11, 2015 10:30:13 GMT -5
Right but his point was Belicheck was taking a timeout anyway.
The Bills are hiring Rex. Just when we thought we were rid of him...
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 11, 2015 12:08:34 GMT -5
The Brady comments came at half time, when people said they were wrong I just defended why I made them. It's not that I hate him, am unhappy with what he's done or what he does for the most part and he played a great second half. He's just not the flawless post season clutch guy people make him out to be. Or if he is, then his flaws are the rest of the game when he screws up so regularly. The pick wasn't his only poor throw (see 3rd down ball to a wide open 80) that stalled drive 1. See back to back sacks to take the team out of FG range, etc. Brady played a great second half, aided by trickery from McDaniels(genius) and great plays by his receivers. I hope at some point this week, people talk about Amendola's game. He was great. Brady's pass to LaFell was the best ball by far I've seen him throw in years. He can barely make that throw anymore but he did so at the perfect time. And his poise is off the charts. Brady is an all time great no doubt, am not trying to argue otherwise. The problem is that pick he threw us becoming the norm in playoff situations. When's the Brady fuck up going to happen, was never a thought before and now it's almost inevitable. The defense got gashed, but I blame the coaching for the most part. Why were they playing zone that much early? No A gap pressure... All the things that made them dominate at tines they didn't do early and they couldn't stop the run... I'm on record as hating on the guy, but McDaniels found the magic touch and called a great game for the most part. Neither is Flacco, huh?
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Post by jmei on Jan 11, 2015 13:33:28 GMT -5
Now, someone needs to explain to me... just before the 2-minute warning at the end of the game, Baltimore takes a timeout, and then Belichick takes a timeout too. Why on earth would you not, instead of taking a normal timeout, challenge that Flacco fumbled on the previous play? I thought it would have been a good challenge on its own - huge potential payoff (4th and what, 17, instead of 4th and 3), you are never going to be able to use that challenge for anything else, and honestly it looked like a fumble to me ... but if you are taking a timeout anyway it's absolutely free! I don't think they had predetermined that they were going to take a timeout there. If I remember correctly, it was a somewhat last-minute timeout that was called only after they saw the offensive formation. I also thought that it was also pretty clear based on the TV replays that it was a forward pass and not a fumble.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jan 11, 2015 13:36:12 GMT -5
Great game last night...Gillette was rocking most of the game...as loud as any playoff game at Fenway...might take a few days to regain my voice. #OntotheAFCChampionship
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Post by jmei on Jan 11, 2015 14:07:07 GMT -5
The Brady comments came at half time, when people said they were wrong I just defended why I made them. It's not that I hate him, am unhappy with what he's done or what he does for the most part and he played a great second half. He's just not the flawless post season clutch guy people make him out to be. Or if he is, then his flaws are the rest of the game when he screws up so regularly. The pick wasn't his only poor throw (see 3rd down ball to a wide open 80) that stalled drive 1. See back to back sacks to take the team out of FG range, etc. Brady played a great second half, aided by trickery from McDaniels(genius) and great plays by his receivers. I hope at some point this week, people talk about Amendola's game. He was great. Brady's pass to LaFell was the best ball by far I've seen him throw in years. He can barely make that throw anymore but he did so at the perfect time. And his poise is off the charts. Brady is an all time great no doubt, am not trying to argue otherwise. The problem is that pick he threw us becoming the norm in playoff situations. When's the Brady f--- up going to happen, was never a thought before and now it's almost inevitable. This is a pretty big straw man. No one here has ever claimed that he's perfect, and he's gotten plenty of heat in the press about being a main cause of some of their recent playoff failures. You're right that his accuracy was pretty mediocre in the first half (a few low throws to Gronk, that overturned Amendola catch on the first drive, a few other throws to LaFell/Edelman), and his accuracy in general sometimes comes and goes, especially on throws to the sideline or after he gets hit a few times. But no QB always places the ball exactly where he wants to all the time, and Brady is still more accurate than the vast majority of NFL QBs. You're holding him to an impossible standard if you think he should play flawlessly all the time. No, this isn't 2007-2011 Brady anymore-- his ability to throw deep (never a real strength-- Moss' elite ability to adjust to the ball covered for him somewhat) has continued to decline (the only success they have with deep balls is up the seam, which is an easier/shorter throw), and he's not as accurate as he was when he was perfectly leading Welker with every throw and racking up the YAC. But just because he has declined somewhat from his peak (when he was playing the position as well as any QB in NFL history) doesn't mean he's a chronic f--- up, either. He's still one of the better QBs in the league and more than good enough to win the title. His ability to read defenses and put the offense in a position to succeed is something we take for granted far too often, and his ability to make the right pre-snap read has covered for the continued mediocrity of his interior offensive line. Oh, and here are some other great Brady throws in recent memory: www.nfl.com/videos/new-england-patriots/0ap3000000443405/Brady-finds-Gronkowski-for-a-27-yard-touchdownwww.nfl.com/videos/new-england-patriots/0ap3000000436964/Brady-throws-a-15-yard-touchdown-pass-to-LaFellwww.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap2000000261988/WK-6-Can-t-Miss-Play-Thompkins-game-winning-TD-reception
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 11, 2015 14:34:56 GMT -5
Speaking as a casual Patriots fan since my GF is one, complaining about Brady? Boo friggin hoo. lol
I'm an Eagles fan. You have no idea. I feel like the Eagles are the pre-04 Red Sox. I hope they don't get to 86 years.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 11, 2015 15:27:48 GMT -5
He's most certainly good enough to win a title he's just very limited with down the field passes but the bigger issue is he's made a lot of poor decisions that he hadn't made in the past. His down the field issues I'm sure have to do with his diminutive receivers but he can't make dumb throws like that interception at the end of the half like he had so often recently in the playoffs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 11, 2015 15:30:44 GMT -5
Speaking as a casual Patriots fan since my GF is one, complaining about Brady? Boo friggin hoo. lol I'm an Eagles fan. You have no idea. I feel like the Eagles are the pre-04 Red Sox. I hope they don't get to 86 years. I'm not complaining about Brady. Appreciate watching him every day he takes the field. Know how lucky we are as Pats fans. But he's not infallible to criticism and he's lost a lot of the reputation he had early in his career and its warranted.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 11, 2015 15:32:50 GMT -5
Speaking as a casual Patriots fan since my GF is one, complaining about Brady? Boo friggin hoo. lol I'm an Eagles fan. You have no idea. I feel like the Eagles are the pre-04 Red Sox. I hope they don't get to 86 years. I'm not complaining about Brady. Appreciate watching him every day he takes the field. Know how lucky we are as Pats fans. But he's not infallible to criticism and he's lost a lot of the reputation he had early in his career and its warranted. Apparently only perfection is enough? You can criticize anyone if you look hard enough. I'd concentrate on what you have, not on what you don't have, because you're not getting anything better, likely not ever.
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Post by jmei on Jan 11, 2015 15:50:49 GMT -5
He's most certainly good enough to win a title he's just very limited with down the field passes but the bigger issue is he's made a lot of poor decisions that he hadn't made in the past. His down the field issues I'm sure have to do with his diminutive receivers but he can't make dumb throws like that interception at the end of the half like he had so often recently in the playoffs. That was a poor throw, not necessarily a poor decision. If he throws it three feet higher, it might be a touchdown. He's made a few bad throws like that this year, but two or three bad plays do not make a trend. His interception rate of 1.5% this year is the third-lowest in his career and the fifth-lowest in the league, so it's not like he's become a Favre-esque gunslinger.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 11, 2015 17:29:27 GMT -5
That was into triple coverage - gronk had two defenders on each side. I am also not referring to his regular seasons. It's the playoffs where the struggles have been.
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