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2014 New England Patriots Thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 20, 2015 21:21:12 GMT -5
The Patriots outscored the Colts 28-0 after the Colts complained and the refs replaced the balls. Yes, like I said, the outcome of the game wasn't in any way shape or form by the air in the ball. However, for the sake of future games that bears no relation with the past ones, if the NFL proves tampering with the footballs I expect a severe punishment and a rule change, both of which are not undeserving. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 20, 2015 23:12:27 GMT -5
11 of the Patriots balls underinflated by 2 pounds each.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jan 20, 2015 23:49:11 GMT -5
11 of the Patriots balls underinflated by 2 pounds each. Those effing idiots. Belichick just didnt learn his lesson with spygate. Way to really sully a legacy. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 21, 2015 0:10:08 GMT -5
They need proof to really hit us hard with a punishment don't they?
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Post by KB24 on Jan 21, 2015 7:36:03 GMT -5
I don't get it. Belichick really can't help himself can he? How hard is it to abide by such a simple regulation? Does he honestly think something so petty is going to give his team that big of an advantage that it's worth risking the legacy of himself, his QB, and the franchise?
I'm as big a Pats fan as anyone but I think the league should suspend Belichick for the Superbowl if it's true that 11 of the 12 balls were under-inflated by more than 15% of the regulated levels. Even if he wasn't the one giving the OK to deflate the balls after their initial check and was somehow unaware of this situation, he as head coach, especially after the spygate scandal, is ultimately responsible for the people beneath him and how they should behave.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 21, 2015 8:08:47 GMT -5
Not only the Patriots do this stuff, I heard a while back about Green Bay also doing something similar. Honestly, the rule is moronic and should be changed ASAP.
Bad form by Belichick, though, the Patriots really didn't need these shenanigans. I'm not sure about a suspension, but a heavy fine and loss of draft picks will be coming.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 21, 2015 8:41:42 GMT -5
I don't get it. Belichick really can't help himself can he? How hard is it to abide by such a simple regulation? Does he honestly think something so petty is going to give his team that big of an advantage that it's worth risking the legacy of himself, his QB, and the franchise? I'm as big a Pats fan as anyone but I think the league should suspend Belichick for the Superbowl if it's true that 11 of the 12 balls were under-inflated by more than 15% of the regulated levels. Even if he wasn't the one giving the OK to deflate the balls after their initial check and was somehow unaware of this situation, he as head coach, especially after the spygate scandal, is ultimately responsible for the people beneath him and how they should behave. Lulz. There are rules in place for what the punishment Is, so maybe stop making up your own? And also, why don't we wait till all the facts are out? Honestly, though, this is yet another stupid scandal, much like Spy and Boutygate. Rodgers admits to over inflating footballs and no one cares. Brad Johnson admits to PAYING people to deflate them before the Super Bowl and no one cares. Haters gonna hate. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 21, 2015 8:47:46 GMT -5
Isn't the most likely scenario the easiest to understand when factoring in all of the questions that people are asking and all of the statements that are being made?
Why didn't the refs notice? Why can't the Pats get out of their own way? Why do this when the game plan involves running (ie not taking advantage of a ball that's easier to throw) against a team that has yet to prove they can't stop you?
The most likely scenario is this:
1. EVERY team does this
2. Every team does NOT do it to this extent
3. While the refs should notice a ball that's deflated 2 lbs, they're probably used to a ball that's 1-1.5 lb off so they might not notice the .5 - 1 lb difference.
4. There is a guy(s) who is responsible for getting the balls "ready" for gametime. He does NOT necessarily know the gameplan. He also knows that ALL employees get rewarded (including rings) when the Pats go to and win the SB. It's, at least, possible he(they) took it upon themselves to push the envelope more than "acceptable" and more than needed.
For all of BB's detractor's, I'm not sure ONE of them would say he's stupid. "Cheating" this much, in THIS game with THIS gameplan would be a stupid move. The practice is endorsed(mandated) by Belichek and all other head coaches. The degree to which it was carried out for this game was not.
The Pats will be punished. BB suspended for the SB and/or fired as some are calling for??? That's ridiculous and the agenda of folks who don't like him.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 21, 2015 9:01:01 GMT -5
Also, as far as legacy is concerned . . . who cares? I interact with a lot of you on all 4 sports so it should be clear how much of a sports fan I am. But why do we care about a player or team's legacy? The value of a win or winning season should end at some point before the next season begins. Other than that, what is it to us?
If the Pats win the Superbowl, I'll enjoy it and the high may last until the parade. But at some point after that and, certainly, no later than the 1st game of next season, the win will no longer hold value (the MEMORY of the wins will but not the win itself). I'm not walking down the street in December of next year, high-fiving someone on the street and saying "THE PATS WON LAST YEAR'S SUPERBOWL!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!" By then it will just be about getting the most out of NEXT season.
Does Spygate change the fact that 01, 03 and 04 were the best seasons of my "football watching career"? Of course not. I can't go back in time and remember those experiences differently. They happened. I was elated. I moved on to the following year hoping for a repeat. Hit the restart button and proceed each season. It's why it always drove me nuts about how fans reacted to wins being stricken from a College program for one reason or another. Who cares? You still enjoyed that ride. They can't take that away from you.
The only reason to care about legacy is if, as a fan of a team, you're using their success as some measure of your own value. It's little more than those childhood arguments over whose Dad was stronger or whose brother was cooler. Otherwise, penalties can't take away from enoying the journey with your favorite college/pro team. Can it? Or is part of the punishment, for fans, that they take the "flashy thing" from the MIB movies and erase your memory if your team was caught doing something?
Enjoy the ride. No matter what, it'll end sometime.
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 21, 2015 9:01:27 GMT -5
... he as head coach, especially after the spygate scandal, is ultimately responsible for ... Yeah, the same way that Roger Goodell, as commissioner, is ultimately responsible for the fact that the league should have known exactly what happened in that elevator before decreeing an initial punishment for Ray Rice, right? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 21, 2015 9:03:22 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that this has gotten so public and has been made a big deal of. The NFL never ceases to amaze me. They make these strong public statements that they are disgusted and appalled yet this is common practice. However, they always feel they need to save face in public. Aaron Rodgers just said publicly that he has his balls over inflated, some like them under inflated. It's common practice to do this stuff, to act otherwise is a joke. I hate that this stuff surrounds the team, but BB isn't stupid, he's just doing what aost every team does. Warren Sapp was talking about it last night. Some teams scuff the balls, some QBs hide pine tar under their towels, etc. Receivers wear super padded sticky gloves to catch the ball. Two pounds of pressure can barely be felt most of us. This is such a joke that it's a story. Read his article from 2 years ago. If it's like this in college it's just as bad or worse in the NFL. sports.yahoo.com/blogs/not-for-attribution/longtime-college-football-equipment-manager-everyone-cheats-deflates-184104713.htmlI just hope they don't lose any draft picks. |
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Post by costpet on Jan 21, 2015 9:18:23 GMT -5
This whole thing makes me sick. Instead of reading about how the Pats can win the SB, for the next two weeks all we're going to hear is about how they have to cheat to win. We'll probably lose a high draft choice, which is more important than any money they might lose. The afterglow of that win is gone now.
I did hear a story one time about Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders when they played in Fenway Park. Because of the limited space, both teams were on the same side of the field. So, Al had a ball boy wander over to the Pats side and listen to the plays. He then signaled the Raiders coach what he heard, pass or run or something. But he never got caught or nobody cared. That's the way it was back then.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 21, 2015 9:38:50 GMT -5
Sounds like loss of draft picks and heavy fines are coming. Probably not a suspension though I'd think.
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Post by KB24 on Jan 21, 2015 9:58:25 GMT -5
... he as head coach, especially after the spygate scandal, is ultimately responsible for ... Yeah, the same way that Roger Goodell, as commissioner, is ultimately responsible for the fact that the league should have known exactly what happened in that elevator before decreeing an initial punishment for Ray Rice, right? When it involves something that happens on the field and affects actual gameplay, yes- absolutely. |
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Post by atzar on Jan 21, 2015 10:04:43 GMT -5
What a dumb situation. Dumb that they did it to that extent, dumb that the Colts bitched about it, dumb that it's this big of a deal, and dumb that they've already been rebranded as cheaters after a game in which the inflation of the balls mattered none.
The NFL has turned into a joke.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 21, 2015 10:16:03 GMT -5
The interesting part of this is why did they feel a need to do it? Obviously, it was to help in the passing game. Was it weather related, was it because it helps Brady pass, was it to help the receivers?
There's a saying that "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin". It doesn't really matter if other teams do it...they aren't winning. The Patriot legacy will be one of winners and one of cheaters. I would hazard a guess that it doesn't matter to them.
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 21, 2015 10:27:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the same way that Roger Goodell, as commissioner, is ultimately responsible for the fact that the league should have known exactly what happened in that elevator before decreeing an initial punishment for Ray Rice, right? When it involves something that happens on the field and affects actual gameplay, yes- absolutely. Suspensions affect actual gameplay. I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 21, 2015 10:31:21 GMT -5
What a dumb situation. Dumb that they did it to that extent, dumb that the Colts bitched about it, dumb that it's this big of a deal, and dumb that they've already been rebranded as cheaters after a game in which the inflation of the balls mattered none. The NFL has turned into a joke. Really man...the NFL is not a joke. It's the people playing the game and running the org's that are the joke. This is a premier franchise in the league and it looks bad. The NFL didn't do it. The Patriots did...there are rules..it's too bad if their too much trouble to follow. Want to change it...do so through the rules committee. I would hope that the head coach gets suspended for a big part of next year. He needs to be brought down a peg. Full Disclosure...I don't like the Pats....at all. |
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Post by KB24 on Jan 21, 2015 10:46:00 GMT -5
Lulz. T here are rules in place for what the punishment Is, so maybe stop making up your own? And also, why don't we wait till all the facts are out? Honestly, though, this is yet another stupid scandal, much like Spy and Boutygate. Rodgers admits to over inflating footballs and no one cares. Brad Johnson admits to PAYING people to deflate them before the Super Bowl and no one cares. Haters gonna hate. The only rule in place for this situation is a minimum fine of $25,000 so the maximum penalty will be at the discretion of the league office. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 21, 2015 10:51:45 GMT -5
I don't understand singling them out when everyone does it. They could have eliminated the "problem" in the offseason with stricter controls put in place.
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 21, 2015 11:09:55 GMT -5
I don't understand singling them out when everyone does it. They could have eliminated the "problem" in the offseason with stricter controls put in place. Well, it's not that the league suddenly decided to have a look, the Colts complained apparently. Hard for them to refuse to look into it then. And the league hasn't actually officially said it's a big deal ... but of course there are always leaks and then the media runs away with it. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 21, 2015 11:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jan 21, 2015 11:34:05 GMT -5
I don't understand singling them out when everyone does it. They could have eliminated the "problem" in the offseason with stricter controls put in place. Speculation but I do believe everyone does it but maybe not to this extent. Someone (I actually find it hard to believe BB said to someone "Let's cheat more than ever for a game where we won't be helped as much by said tactic bc of our gameplan") took it upon themselves to go beyond the "accepted" levels. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 21, 2015 11:53:06 GMT -5
What a dumb situation. Dumb that they did it to that extent, dumb that the Colts bitched about it, dumb that it's this big of a deal, and dumb that they've already been rebranded as cheaters after a game in which the inflation of the balls mattered none. The NFL has turned into a joke. Really man...the NFL is not a joke. It's the people playing the game and running the org's that are the joke. This is a premier franchise in the league and it looks bad. The NFL didn't do it. The Patriots did...there are rules..it's too bad if their too much trouble to follow. Want to change it...do so through the rules committee. I would hope that the head coach gets suspended for a big part of next year. He needs to be brought down a peg. Full Disclosure...I don't like the Pats....at all. Yeah thats obvious... There is no proof the patriots did it. It could have been the refs for all we know. And yes, Goodell is a joke. He is Stern tier bad. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 21, 2015 12:15:05 GMT -5
Stern is historically one of the best commissioners ever. Goodell is historically one of the worst.
Bad comparison.
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