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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 23, 2014 22:51:17 GMT -5
My god. Mookie falls behind 0-2, works the count full, and doubles to left on an inside changeup on the 12th pitch of the AB. Watching his pitch recognition skills is so awesome. Identified change, keeps his weight back perfectly, and turns on the pitch, I love it. This type of AB has become a bit of a regular thing for him, so I checked the MLB P/PA leaders, and he comes in at 4.24 pitches seen per plate appearance. That ranks 13th among players with >150 AB's. Wow. Also, Cecchini has hit the ball on a line in all 3 AB's, with one of them nearly clearing the wall in RF. I hope everyone really appreciates how good this kid is and the potential he has. There isn't one batter out of 20 with the skills to do that to a pitcher like Boxberger, who's pretty damned good. He easily fought everything off till he got a pitch to his liking and rifled that thing down the line, again. There is no pitching him low and inside. You're in a world of hurt if you do. I love Mookie. can't wait too see him in the leadoff spot next year! the guy is perfect for the leadoff position. works the count and has had great plate discipline.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 23, 2014 22:54:24 GMT -5
We all know that Cespedes has a great arm, put he has looked AWFUL out their. His laziness is frustrating to watch and his routes to the ball. Cespedes has looked as bad as Gomes did. Lol.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 23, 2014 23:03:06 GMT -5
We all know that Cespedes has a great arm, put he has looked AWFUL out their. His laziness is frustrating to watch and his routes to the ball. Cespedes has looked as bad as Gomes did. Lol. Having watched him a bit with Oakland, my take is that he simply can't judge balls. So many times he ends up in the wrong place, as if he's completely fooled. I don't think it's laziness at all. He's simply not very good at figuring out where hard-hit balls are going. Had me wondering if he wasn't new to the outfield when he came to the States.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 23, 2014 23:08:41 GMT -5
Mookie is like the quintessential Redsox player. He is what we always wanted Ellsbury to be. Works the counts more, hopefully more OBP, more OPS etc...and as Guidas is saying he's still only 21 and might even improve. In all likelihood, he should!
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 24, 2014 3:41:50 GMT -5
Cespedes has been a good defensive LFer, but he doesn't seem to be a good fit for our LF; its small size partially negates his speed, and he seems to have a real problem with the wall. It's also possible that the park doesn't help him that much as a hitter, either. I'd love to trade him for a guy (say, a RF) with the opposite profile who is also a year from free agency .. hm, wonder who that could be?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 24, 2014 4:07:36 GMT -5
We all know that Cespedes has a great arm, put he has looked AWFUL out their. His laziness is frustrating to watch and his routes to the ball. Cespedes has looked as bad as Gomes did. Lol. Having watched him a bit with Oakland, my take is that he simply can't judge balls. So many times he ends up in the wrong place, as if he's completely fooled. I don't think it's laziness at all. He's simply not very good at figuring out where hard-hit balls are going. Had me wondering if he wasn't new to the outfield when he came to the States. Wonder if it's a common trait among the big bruiser OF's in Cuba period nowdays? Puig is the same way. Think about it, so was Canseco. All could throw the ball from nearly the wall to the plate in the air, but were a circus to watch, like you didn't know if a great play is coming, or another Manny Ramirez type blunder. I thought Cespedes was a bit different than Puig, having watched some Athletics games over the past few years. He roamed the spacious coliseum and looked decent to me, not the greatest, but decent. Probably was just his speed making up for bad reads.. Ellsbury decent perhaps? Except his cannon arm Ells does not have. Now that he is at Fenway, there is no place I see to hide him defensively. Right now, when games mean nothing seems like the time to throw him over to right to deal with the corner if they plan on holding onto him. He has no future at Fenway playing either LF/CF.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 24, 2014 5:07:28 GMT -5
I know Cespedes has a canon arm but he doesn't set up his throws well for a quick release after the catch. It's like everything is a reaction. Like "Oh, the runner is going to home now ...I better throw". Set up the probable throw to home and release the damm ball a second earlier. He throws out some runners simply because they see that he hasn't prepared to throw them out and then he makes up for it with a strong throw.
Any little league level star knows how to do it. I don't get why it isn't performed at a higher level in the majors sometimes.
Other than that, the poor routes in the OF and the obvious minimal OBP, I like Cespedes. I think they make a strong effort to keep him. He should hit well in Fenway and give us average overall defense out there in LF. He should be better than Manny was in LF defensively and he is a 100 RBI guy for a reason. We need some pop people. And that pop costs a ton of money and is hard to find. Particularly right now in mlb.
The Redsox seem to be acutely aware of that issue, with the Cespedes and Craig trades and the Castillo signing.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 24, 2014 5:38:04 GMT -5
Except of course the only pop we are hearing with Craig is the precursor to the air rushing out of the balloon.
Man, we'd better hope that the Craig performance this year is the outlier of all outliers. He has been Grebek bad.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 24, 2014 11:03:42 GMT -5
My god. Mookie falls behind 0-2, works the count full, and doubles to left on an inside changeup on the 12th pitch of the AB. Watching his pitch recognition skills is so awesome. Identified change, keeps his weight back perfectly, and turns on the pitch, I love it. This type of AB has become a bit of a regular thing for him, so I checked the MLB P/PA leaders, and he comes in at 4.24 pitches seen per plate appearance. That ranks 13th among players with >150 AB's. Wow. Also, Cecchini has hit the ball on a line in all 3 AB's, with one of them nearly clearing the wall in RF. I hope everyone really appreciates how good this kid is and the potential he has. There isn't one batter out of 20 with the skills to do that to a pitcher like Boxberger, who's pretty damned good. He easily fought everything off till he got a pitch to his liking and rifled that thing down the line, again. There is no pitching him low and inside. You're in a world of hurt if you do. I hate being such a homer, but 75 hit tool for Mookie.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 24, 2014 16:29:03 GMT -5
Lineup:
1. Mookie Betts (R) 2B 2. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS 3. Daniel Nava (S) RF 4. Yoenis Cespedes (R) DH 5. Allen Craig (R) 1B 6. Garin Cecchini (L) 3B 7. Rusney Castillo (R) CF 8. Bryce Brentz (R) LF 9. Christian Vazquez (R) C
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 24, 2014 17:22:04 GMT -5
Mookie is like the quintessential Redsox player. He is what we always wanted Ellsbury to be. Works the counts more, hopefully more OBP, more OPS etc...and as Guidas is saying he's still only 21 and might even improve. In all likelihood, he should! So, where does he play next year? Then again, this could be a topic for a future thread.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 24, 2014 17:51:28 GMT -5
Mookie is like the quintessential Redsox player. He is what we always wanted Ellsbury to be. Works the counts more, hopefully more OBP, more OPS etc...and as Guidas is saying he's still only 21 and might even improve. In all likelihood, he should! So, where does he play next year? Then again, this could be a topic for a future thread. Miami. In all seriousness, the ONLY way Mookie should leave Boston is in a trade for Stanton. Period. Hamels isn't good enough.
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Post by atzar on Sept 24, 2014 18:50:52 GMT -5
No power, bust, etc.
Congrats on your first homerun, rook!
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 24, 2014 18:52:41 GMT -5
Mookie is like the quintessential Redsox player. He is what we always wanted Ellsbury to be. Works the counts more, hopefully more OBP, more OPS etc...and as Guidas is saying he's still only 21 and might even improve. In all likelihood, he should! So, where does he play next year? Then again, this could be a topic for a future thread. Hopefully he's playing in Chicago
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Post by radiohix on Sept 24, 2014 19:13:20 GMT -5
He's by far the best OFer on this roster! - Victorino? health questions and it's his last year in the 3 years contract.
- Cespedes? Also his last year and he's a low OBP with a suspicious defense OFer.
JBJ? Kid's a mess and needs lots of reps in AAA.
Castillo? Poor OBP skills and with the speed to get out of the batter box, I don't even think he'll be a high BABIP/BA hitter
Graig? I'm not even going to comment on him
For me, he's just untouchable!
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 24, 2014 19:31:55 GMT -5
I know it's way early to make any sort of judgement but I sense that Cechinni would be a better fit for us next year at 3rd than Holt or Middlebrooks. I had him projected last year to be our #1 prospect by this time and that didn't happen but the guy can hit and he will get on base and he is left handed, helping to give us more lineup balence. It's way premature and I don't see them rolling the dice on him next spring no matter what he does but he doesn't look uncomfortable in mlb. He looks like a guy who can handle the pressure.
They will pitch him curveballs to death but he should be able to hit curveballs fairly well given his background. His plate discipline is good. I'm chalking up some of his troubles this year to SSS. I'd consider him as our 3rd baseman next year with a back up plan being Holt or Betts. Maybe Betts in RF or CF.
I'd go with Betts at 3rd but Farrell seems to be downplaying that big time. Maybe he's just being politically correct but Betts at 3rd with Cechinni as the back up wouldn't kill us in my book.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 24, 2014 19:43:41 GMT -5
Good to see Brentz up here.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 24, 2014 20:00:16 GMT -5
Brentz is playing himself into keeping a spot on the 40 man.
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Post by pd on Sept 24, 2014 20:08:33 GMT -5
Pawsox kicking some DRay butt.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 24, 2014 20:12:34 GMT -5
When Xander is given multiple days off, he seems to respond. Anyone notice this trend?
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Post by pd on Sept 24, 2014 20:25:35 GMT -5
Castillo with his obp over the Mendoza line.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 24, 2014 20:44:18 GMT -5
Is anyone going on Don's boat? Lol this is hilarious.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 24, 2014 21:02:03 GMT -5
Betts will lead the team in walks next year, he is so good!
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Post by atzar on Sept 24, 2014 21:13:59 GMT -5
Encouraging start by Ranaudo, even if it is against the Rays.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 24, 2014 21:16:27 GMT -5
Encouraging start by Ranaudo, even if it is against the Rays. Not really, just some BABIP lyck. Hes still not K'ing people. I don't think he's a major league pitcher
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