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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 24, 2014 21:28:14 GMT -5
What an unbelievable play by Cecchini, he has looked great at 3rd tonight.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 24, 2014 21:34:09 GMT -5
If Sandoval gets a QO (which I fully expect) and Headley commands too much money and too many years, would it be unreasonable to let Cecchini and WMB compete for the 3B job in spring training?
Garin just got screwed by that call by the way.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 24, 2014 21:43:11 GMT -5
If Sandoval gets a QO (which I fully expect) and Headley commands too much money and too many years, would it be unreasonable to let Cecchini and WMB compete for the 3B job in spring training? Garin just got screwed by that call by the way. why would losing our second round pick make us not sign Sandoval? If you let Cecchini and WMB compete for 3B, be prepared to let your unwillingness to let a 2nd rd pick go make us suck next year |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 24, 2014 22:02:51 GMT -5
If Sandoval gets a QO (which I fully expect) and Headley commands too much money and too many years, would it be unreasonable to let Cecchini and WMB compete for the 3B job in spring training? Garin just got screwed by that call by the way. why would losing our second round pick make us not sign Sandoval? If you let Cecchini and WMB compete for 3B, be prepared to let your unwillingness to let a 2nd rd pick go make us suck next year Trust me, we could suck plenty with Sandoval at 3B, too. He's a decent player, not a franchise-changing player. If one of our young guys can fill the position, we could use the $15 million to $18 million that it will take to sign Sandoval somewhere else on the field. As far as a 2nd round pick goes, yes, I think it has value. BB talent is hard to project and guys drafted after the 1 and 1S rounds often turn into good players. Pedroia and Lester were 2nd rounders, Papelbon a 4th and Anthony Rizzo a 6th. Heck, Mookie was a 5th rounder. And guys drafted in the 1st can turn into lemons - Kolbrin Vitek, Jason Place and Reymond Fuentes to name a few. I remember how happy everyone was the night of the 2010 draft when we got Vitek, Brentz and Renaudo in the 1 and 1S rounds. There's probably a better than even chance at this point that neither Renaudo or Brentz will end up being an impact player and Vitek is retired. I think with draft picks, it's about quantity. The more you have, the better your chances of scoring. I'm a gluttonous pig when it comes to draft picks. Edit: I think you weigh a pick differently if you're in a GFIN mode and believe the FA in question is a vital piece. Signing Keith Foulke is a great example. That cost us a 1st rounder, but it resulted in a fairly successful '04 season. I'm a gluttonous pig when it comes to parades, too. The more, the better!  |
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 24, 2014 23:38:21 GMT -5
why would losing our second round pick make us not sign Sandoval? If you let Cecchini and WMB compete for 3B, be prepared to let your unwillingness to let a 2nd rd pick go make us suck next year Trust me, we could suck plenty with Sandoval at 3B, too. He's a decent player, not a franchise-changing player. If one of our young guys can fill the position, we could use the $15 million to $18 million that it will take to sign Sandoval somewhere else on the field. As far as a 2nd round pick goes, yes, I think it has value. BB talent is hard to project and guys drafted after the 1 and 1S rounds often turn into good players. Pedroia and Lester were 2nd rounders, Papelbon a 4th and Anthony Rizzo a 6th. Heck, Mookie was a 5th rounder. And guys drafted in the 1st can turn into lemons - Kolbrin Vitek, Jason Place and Reymond Fuentes to name a few. I remember how happy everyone was the night of the 2010 draft when we got Vitek, Brentz and Renaudo in the 1 and 1S rounds. There's probably a better than even chance at this point that neither Renaudo or Brentz will end up being an impact player and Vitek is retired. I think with draft picks, it's about quantity. The more you have, the better your chances of scoring. I'm a gluttonous pig when it comes to draft picks. Edit: I think you weigh a pick differently if you're in a GFIN mode and believe the FA in question is a vital piece. Signing Keith Foulke is a great example. That cost us a 1st rounder, but it resulted in a fairly successful '04 season. I'm a gluttonous pig when it comes to parades, too. The more, the better! The value of a 2nd round pick is not very high at all. Definitely not high enough to stop you from signing someone like Sandoval. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 25, 2014 7:30:21 GMT -5
Trust me, we could suck plenty with Sandoval at 3B, too. He's a decent player, not a franchise-changing player. If one of our young guys can fill the position, we could use the $15 million to $18 million that it will take to sign Sandoval somewhere else on the field. As far as a 2nd round pick goes, yes, I think it has value. BB talent is hard to project and guys drafted after the 1 and 1S rounds often turn into good players. Pedroia and Lester were 2nd rounders, Papelbon a 4th and Anthony Rizzo a 6th. Heck, Mookie was a 5th rounder. And guys drafted in the 1st can turn into lemons - Kolbrin Vitek, Jason Place and Reymond Fuentes to name a few. I remember how happy everyone was the night of the 2010 draft when we got Vitek, Brentz and Renaudo in the 1 and 1S rounds. There's probably a better than even chance at this point that neither Renaudo or Brentz will end up being an impact player and Vitek is retired. I think with draft picks, it's about quantity. The more you have, the better your chances of scoring. I'm a gluttonous pig when it comes to draft picks. Edit: I think you weigh a pick differently if you're in a GFIN mode and believe the FA in question is a vital piece. Signing Keith Foulke is a great example. That cost us a 1st rounder, but it resulted in a fairly successful '04 season. I'm a gluttonous pig when it comes to parades, too. The more, the better! The value of a 2nd round pick is not very high at all. Definitely not high enough to stop you from signing someone like Sandoval. You're missing the most important part of his argument. The 15-18m can and should be spent elsewhere. Like on starting pitching. |
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Post by nomar on Sept 25, 2014 12:09:02 GMT -5
Sandoval is an out of shape third baseman. Fat guys break down physically much younger and he's on the third year of a decline. I'd much rather have Headley.
Also it makes more sense to me to go with Cecchini and spend our money on pitching than go for Sandoval and break the bank on someone who's value is driven by his popularity rather than his results.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 25, 2014 17:06:03 GMT -5
I think Cechinni could put up a .270 BA .330 OBP year dirt cheap. And his LH bat could help. Even as a platoon solution he might be worth it. The main question is would he benefit from more AAA AB? I'm not so sure about that.
And we always have Middlebrooks, Holt, Xander, Mookie as options in his place.
I think there is like a 20% chance they fill this slot from within but every day Cechinni keeps producing might change that percentage. We could use a good left handed bat.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 25, 2014 17:17:21 GMT -5
Lineup:
1. Mookie Betts (R) 2B
2. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
3. Daniel Nava (S) RF
4. Yoenis Cespedes (R) DH
5. Allen Craig (R) 1B
6. Garin Cecchini (L) 3B
7. Rusney Castillo (R) CF
8. Bryce Brentz (R) LF
9. Christian Vazquez (R) C
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 25, 2014 18:23:28 GMT -5
wow, Mookie has quick hands! nice line drive single up the middle!
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Post by danr on Sept 25, 2014 18:29:29 GMT -5
Sandoval is an out of shape third baseman. Fat guys break down physically much younger and he's on the third year of a decline. I'd much rather have Headley. Also it makes more sense to me to go with Cecchini and spend our money on pitching than go for Sandoval and break the bank on someone who's value is driven by his popularity rather than his results. Whose three year decline is really a decline? Sandoval 28 years old 2012 442AB 12 HR .283/.342/.447 wOBA: .338 wRC: 119 2013 584AB 14 HR .278/.341/.417 wOBA: .331 wRC: 116 2014 617AB 16 HR .279/.325/.417 wOBA: .324 wRC: 112 Headley 30 years old 2012 604AB 31 HR .286/.376/.498 wOBA: .378 wRC: 145 2013 520AB 13 HR .250/.347/.400 wOBA: .330 wRC: 114 2014 458AB 13 HR .242/.328/.373 wOBA: .316 wRC: 103 |
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 25, 2014 18:33:01 GMT -5
Craig is awful, sit down you stiff.
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Post by rangoon82 on Sept 25, 2014 18:59:27 GMT -5
If the Sox win at least its the kids doing it the job. Deep bomb by Vazquez
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Sept 25, 2014 19:00:37 GMT -5
Vasquez with a bomb cleaning out the inside fb followed by Betts just missing a cheaply at pea sky which was apparently caught by Freddy Blassies ghost!
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Post by rangoon82 on Sept 25, 2014 19:18:19 GMT -5
... followed by Betts just missing a cheaply at pea sky which was apparently caught by Freddy Blassies ghost! What do these words mean when put together like this? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2014 19:20:07 GMT -5
You gotta love the irony of a Craig hit being followed by a visit to the mound.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 25, 2014 19:26:03 GMT -5
Congrats to Vazquez on his 1st career HR. I love his potential with the bat and he puts the ball in play. No more of Salty strikibg out 140 times a year!!
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2014 19:27:34 GMT -5
What an awesome way to reach the Mendoza.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Sept 25, 2014 19:29:26 GMT -5
... followed by Betts just missing a cheaply at pea sky which was apparently caught by Freddy Blassies ghost! What do these words mean when put together like this? Sorry iPad spell check strikes again! |
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Sept 25, 2014 19:33:58 GMT -5
Castillo with a robusto to left!
Rooosney smuggles that pitch Outta here!
( this sounds better in your best john sterling voice)
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Post by larrycook on Sept 25, 2014 20:19:07 GMT -5
Thus far sox are 3 for 10 with RISP.
And they are up by 6.
I like these young players sans middlebrooks and Bradley.
Betts needs to play!
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 25, 2014 20:39:28 GMT -5
Brentz/Nava platoon in LF next year. Worth considering?
Nava has turned his season around quite nicely and is hitting RHP to the tune of .293/.373/.399/.771.
It's not hard to imagine Brentz matching Gomes' 2013 line vs. LHP: .236/.347/.447/.795. Brentz would also provide much better defense and more defensive flexibility. He could easily play RF when necessary, whereas Gomes could barely handle LF.
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Post by nomar on Sept 25, 2014 21:00:40 GMT -5
Brentz/Nava platoon in LF next year. Worth considering? Nava has turned his season around quite nicely and is hitting RHP to the tune of .293/.373/.399/.771. It's not hard to imagine Brentz matching Gomes' 2013 line vs. LHP: .236/.347/.447/.795. Brentz would also provide much better defense and more defensive flexibility. He could easily play RF when necessary, whereas Gomes could barely handle LF. It would work but I could see us trading for a 5+ WAR RF. Castillo is easing some nerves tonight. Giving how many aspects of the game he covers with his skill set, hard to see him not being worth his contract. Not saying he's a star, but he seems to be at least worth the money. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2014 21:07:54 GMT -5
If Sandoval gets a QO (which I fully expect) and Headley commands too much money and too many years, would it be unreasonable to let Cecchini and WMB compete for the 3B job in spring training? Garin just got screwed by that call by the way. why would losing our second round pick make us not sign Sandoval? If you let Cecchini and WMB compete for 3B, be prepared to let your unwillingness to let a 2nd rd pick go make us suck next year Because we don't want to give a 5'10" 250 pound player the security of $100+ million so he can take it easy? |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2014 21:10:40 GMT -5
Sandoval is an out of shape third baseman. Fat guys break down physically much younger and he's on the third year of a decline. I'd much rather have Headley. Also it makes more sense to me to go with Cecchini and spend our money on pitching than go for Sandoval and break the bank on someone who's value is driven by his popularity rather than his results. Whose three year decline is really a decline? Sandoval 28 years old 2012 442AB 12 HR .283/.342/.447 wOBA: .338 wRC: 119 2013 584AB 14 HR .278/.341/.417 wOBA: .331 wRC: 116 2014 617AB 16 HR .279/.325/.417 wOBA: .324 wRC: 112 Headley 30 years old 2012 604AB 31 HR .286/.376/.498 wOBA: .378 wRC: 145 2013 520AB 13 HR .250/.347/.400 wOBA: .330 wRC: 114 2014 458AB 13 HR .242/.328/.373 wOBA: .316 wRC: 103 Should we look at Prince Fielder next? He has negative WAR this year at age 30. wRC+ age 28: 153 age 29: 125 age 30: 88 |
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