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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Dec 18, 2014 18:48:53 GMT -5
Ugh. The return kind of sucks. Not happy, but with Smart around, Rondo had to go. I hope they can deal Wright at the deadline for something. I would have preferred to get their first in 2018 or sometime in the far future, when it has a chance to be valuable (obviously that probably wasn't on the table). Danny has done well with the late first round picks, but the only (relatively) consistent way to get franchise talent is in the lottery. The Cs should have no problem getting to the top of the lottery now, but it sucks that a mid-to-late twenties pick is all that we could get for a pretty damn good PG. BTW, Rondo is going to go OFF in Dallas, he has talent/shooting around him and he will return to his mid-big-three form.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 18, 2014 18:50:57 GMT -5
Holy crap, the West is just insane deep right now.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 18, 2014 18:51:35 GMT -5
Should have traded him a while ago.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 18, 2014 22:25:00 GMT -5
Given protection on pick, it's more likely a 2016 one.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2014 8:03:28 GMT -5
I don't think this is going to propel them to the bottom of the league, unfortunately. They need to clear more room.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2014 8:19:57 GMT -5
I gotta believe another trade may becoming soon. They have Olynyk, Sullinger, Wright, Bass and Zeller that all need minutes for one reason or another (KO and Sully to develop; Wright and Bass to showcase and Zeller somewhere in between).
Green is another obvious move (though it doesn't necessarily clear the logjam above). This is only one of several moves.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2014 8:42:33 GMT -5
Not sure what ends up happening with it but Boston got creative and now have a $12.9 Million trade exception. Often these lead to nothing but the last one lead to Zeller and a 1st so . . . we'll see what they do with it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2014 9:13:14 GMT -5
Not sure what ends up happening with it but Boston got creative and now have a $12.9 Million trade exception. Often these lead to nothing but the last one lead to Zeller and a 1st so . . . we'll see what they do with it. They used their other trade exemptions to absorb the salaries coming back so got one for Rondo. They basically, rolled the three they had into one new bigger one. Quality move by Danny. He's very good at incrementally improving. He takes every opportunity to take a step forward in some way. Whether it's being a facilitator to pick up additional picks or doing something like this with the trade exemptions. I think he's going to hold Green until a first rd pick comes his way for him or the deadline is staring him in the face. Which means he's here until the deadline and then maybe not moved. They will still flirt with that 8 seed without Rondo, which means they aren't going to see a high high pick. Ownership should be given so e credit for: 1. Giving Danny the time to do what needs to be done to TRY and build right. 2. Still spending money when you won't win to try to improve. Nit sure a lot of owners would have taken on Thornton's salary. I'm guessing Danny could have dumped the Bass contract to save money and not get anything in return, but salary relief. They also didn't need to sign a Turner. And even paying Stevens his hefty salary in a rebuilding situation. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2014 9:22:07 GMT -5
In paying Turner, I think they are hoping to build up his value and move him. He'll never be the centerpiece of a trade or get a 1st in return but he could be an add on that a) offsets incoming salary and b) adds SOME value (albeit NEVER what it was once hoped to be) for the acquiring team.
Agree on Green. Pelicans are interested but not for a 1st. Gotta believe as we get closer to deadline, someone is going to want a versatile forward who can average 19 pts/gm (though he'll likely NOT be in a role to do so following a trade).
I bet Bass is next to go. There was supposed interest a couple of weeks ago (with Houston looking to use a trade exception to absorb his money). Won't get a 1st for him, obviously. Doubt they could get Capella either but Nick Johnson? Not sure what 2nds Houston owns either. Regardless, Bass needs to be traded as he's not part of their future and just taking away minutes from guys whom Boston MUST give them to.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 19, 2014 11:29:12 GMT -5
Near the end of Zach Lowe's piece on Grantland, this line hurts. There is no clear path to Celtics success anytime soon. They've done a lot of right things in moving on to the next era (trading Pierce/Garnett at right time and for right return, decent recent picks given where they were, even the Rondo trade given his injury and regression since recovery), but there's a reason it took so long for the Celtics to become relevant the last time around. Getting better in the NBA is hard. We need to see big jumps from at least one of KO/Sully, and JYoung and Smart need to reach their true ceilings for this team to be good any time soon. All those picks and assets we have still don't lead to a top 20 talent without major luck. I don't begrudge the Celts for the path they've gone down, but it's worth remembering how long this rebuild really might take. I'm not really looking forward to it. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2014 11:58:03 GMT -5
1. Orlando and Utah are VERY different use cases. Orlando banked on the destination and probably thought to highly of that. They aren't Miami. Plus, Dwight hadn't developed the relationships with other stars that would lure them to join him. Utah, on the other hand, is stuck in bad timing. The West is SO strong. I'd love to have their players but they are too young/raw to compete.
2. The Rondo trade suggests that Boston will try and break this down further so while they are towards the back end of the top 10 of the lottery, I think top 5 is possible.
3. If not, it's why those Brooklyn picks could be the key to Boston's future. If they can just get 1 horrible year from the Nets, that could mean a top pick and potential elite talent in 1 of the next 3 years.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2014 14:51:20 GMT -5
Not saying that the doubters are gonna change their tune (nor should they based on this tweet) but . . .
Marc J. Spears?@spearsnbayahoo·3 mins3 minutes ago
Just watched video of @bensimmons25. Wow. This prep senior class has a chance to be special in time. NBA Draft picks in 2016 will be coveted
Boston has, in all likelihood, 4 picks in that draft.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2014 14:58:34 GMT -5
Yea it will take a while for the rebuild to take place but for people who like basketball and enjoy following team building, I think it can be a good time. Danny Ainge is a good GM. Part of why it took so long to get decent is because we had GMs making stupid moves left and right. However, it's going to take time. I've enjoyed the last couple years and am prepared for more rebuilding years as long as there is hope. Meaning don't get impatient, do it right even if it's a long road. Unfortunately, we are still in the tear down, but that should be done after next year, if done properly.
After that the only bad contract may be Bradley's :-)
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2014 15:42:38 GMT -5
I still am not so sure Bradley is going to be bad once the cap increases (even if only incrementally). That money for a 15PPG guard who is good/great defensively has value in this league. I know the defense is a point of contention but I really feel that it's hard to statistically measure the type of impact he has. Bradley impacts on D by making it hard for opposing guards to get into a set. They use a bunch of the clock and energy to get the offense going. The problem is that that really only has impact if the rest of the unit is doing their job. I think Rondo had stopped a bit on D (something that Smart won't do) and, once a guard gets passed that first level, there was nobody to stop them at the rim. Mostly a theory but it sounds good to me.  BTW Corey Brewer just traded to Houston (along with R Turiaf) for Troy Daniels and 2 2nds. I asked Pelton in his chat if he thought that's what Bass' value was and he agreed for the most part. Still think it has to happen soon or Danny we'll lose precious mintues for the other bigs. He didn't respond to my question about Green's value. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2014 20:15:39 GMT -5
You are being too optimistic on Bradley's D and even if the contract seems like it may work out when the cap goes up that's just missed opportunity to have even more money because it was an overpay. No one was going to sign him for that especially since he was a RFA...
His defense has been atrocious. The effort is next to zero in the games I've watched.
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Dec 24, 2014 8:49:28 GMT -5
Smart is not 100%, but he needs to drive more. His defense and finishing ability were 1a and 1b as his best skills coming into the draft. Throught 13 games, 67% of his shots are threes. (Obviously SSS) He's not a good shooter and he needs to start creating for himself.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 24, 2014 12:43:27 GMT -5
Cleveland and Boston have reportedly been in talks about a trade. Cavs may be trying to get them involved in a 3 team trade.
No concrete info beyond that but the reports are speculating Brandan Wrights inclusion.
Cleveland has been interested in Koufos (Mem) and Mozgov (Den).
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 24, 2014 13:12:46 GMT -5
Wright can't be traded until the Feb 19 deadline.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 24, 2014 13:53:38 GMT -5
Not true. His salary can't be aggregated (in other words, he can't be combined with another player). However, he can be traded by himself.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 28, 2014 11:57:43 GMT -5
So Avery Bradley.... Can we trade him too?
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Post by texs31 on Dec 28, 2014 12:46:03 GMT -5
I'm willing to trade anybody and anything except for Smart and those Brooklyn picks (probably not our own this year, either).
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Dec 28, 2014 20:35:50 GMT -5
Bradley won't be traded this season. I equate his situation to a more expensive Courtney Lee. Doing some trade machine work, Jeff Green doesn't match up well with the contending teams. He fits in well with Memphis and he can match with Tayshaun Prince's expiring, but I don't think that they can trade their first round pick (it belongs to Cleveland (protected 1-5 and 15-30)) and their best asset is Koufos, who is in the last year of his contract. Losing Prince and Koufos for Green would be a step sideways, so I don't see that going through. Unless Chicago wants to give up Dunleavy+McDermott, there's no fit there. Nicolas Batum has been struggling, but I don't think that the Trail Blazers want to just dump him. I think they could use Green as a 6th man/starter and would like to acquire him. If they are willing to include their 1st (currently 29), then it could work in a deal like this: espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p9omfo3But, the whole league is hoarding it's first rounders, so I'm not sure if Portland would pull the trigger. |
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Post by mobaz on Dec 29, 2014 10:58:35 GMT -5
In a trade to the Blazers, I'd like to see the Celts push for CJ McCollum. I'm biased (Lehigh alum) but I think he has a lot of potential, and as a guard who can presumably create his own shot he'd add a dimension the team is currently lacking. He's a little old for his development level, but he hasn't gotten much of a chance in Portland.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 29, 2014 11:18:41 GMT -5
McCollum is a bust and always will be. His biggest question headed into the NBA was his compete level and desire and without those things you aren't going to get much of anywhere in this league. No thank you.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 29, 2014 12:10:37 GMT -5
Even if he isn't a bust, Boston is not at the stage where they should be worrying about middle-to-end of roster type guys (even if he turns it around, his ceiling would be a decent rotational player). All moves should be about draft picks and/or the top end of the roster (which will be challenging via trade or free agency).
Trades for middling (at best) type players are just moving roster spots.
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